Forum:Divine Punishment Questions...

In a situation where i have set Divine Punishment turns ago. I want to activate The Sanctuary in the Sky and my opponent counters with Mystical Space Typhoon or Magic Jammer. Can i activate Divine Punishment to counter their move? XavierEsperance (talk • contribs) 17:48, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yes you can! Mystical Space Typhoon/Magic Jammer hasn't resolved yet so The Sanctuary in the Sky is still face-up on the field, so Divine Punishment meets it requirements and it can be activated. ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 19:54, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

eh... sure? Is the condition really met if The Sanktuary in the sky hasn't resolved yet? -dest- (talk • contribs) 22:44, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Dest... Just to point it out with "Royal Decree" vs. "Macro Cosmos", "Grand Convergence" still activate and destroy opponent's monsters ever if Macro Cosmos is on the field and is negated under "Royal Decree". But as for chain and resolve, I would thinking about "Jinzo" vs. "Bottomless Trap Hole", Jinzo beat BTH. --FredCat 22:50, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

in your example macro is already on the field and the effect has resolved. Even if the effect is negated, it still resolved and is on the field. The point that makes me wonder is not, that the effect is not activate at that time. The effect hasn't even resolved. -dest- (talk • contribs) 22:55, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

So I would point that Stardust Dragon would not able to stop "Bottomless Trap Hole" when he's synchro summoned onto the field. Is that what you're looking for, Dest? --FredCat 22:56, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Weird! Rulings say that you cannot chain Divine Punishment if The Sanctuary in the Sky hasn't resolved yet.

Grand Convergence on the other hand can be chained to the activation of Macro Cosmos, even though Macro Cosmos hasn't resolved yet.

It either has to do something with the slightly different wording of the lores, or we deal with another BKSS Ruling again.

ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 00:27, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'd guess that it's because Field Spell Card are different from Continuous Trap Card as they treat the field as '-card name-' which is what divine punishment is after, while Convergence, just needs the card to be on the field., -Resk (Talk) 00:30, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

It's like how you can't activate 'Quick-like' effects of Field Spells when the card is initially placed on the field, but you can activate the 'Quick-like' effects of Continuous Trap cards when you initially flip them face-up. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:10, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

So.... Conclusion for now is, Divine Punishment cannot be activated to save a The Sanctuary in the Sky from activating until BKSS? XavierEsperance (talk • contribs) 02:43, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

@Resk, Falzar FZ: This is the case yes! Cards like Divine Punishment, Tornado Wall, ect need the Field to be "The Sanctuary in the Sky"/"Umi"/ect, not of the card The Sanctuary in the Sky/Umi/ect to be face-up on the field. So if you Special Summon The Sanctuary in the Sky or Umi from your Deck with Magical Hats and they are flipped face-up then Divine Punishment and Tornado Wall cannot be activated, because the field is not treated as "The Sanctuary in the Sky"/"Umi" even though a card named like that is face-up on the field.

@XavierEsperance: Correct! Divine Punishment cannot be activated in the same chain with The Sanctuary in the Sky.

ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 08:30, February 24, 2011 (UTC)