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28 Owner

From the Manga scans it is definite that Haruto Tenjo (manga) has 28, and form what I could gather it was another moulded at will Number, like 14 and 21. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 21:21, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

http://i.imgur.com/nufeb3k.jpg pic, lest I be called a hypocrite.Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 22:32, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Yes your correct on both counts --slave(command•works) 22:49, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Small question about 28's previous section, should we go with None as Haruto 'created' it, or does anyone know if he got the blank Number from Yagumo and if so would Yagumo giving him the blank Number be enough to say he's a previous owner?. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 20:29, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'd ask User:LegendaryAsariUgetsu about that. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 20:31, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

96+43

Dark Mist is now confirmed to be with Vector. He also has a new Number 43. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 09:23, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

The Arclight's Numbers

Since we're not sure who specifically has the Numbers of the Arclight brothers after their duels with the Barians, why not use "Seven Barian Emperors" as a placeholder since dialogue implies that they at least took possession of them after defeating them.--BahamutX978 (talk • contribs) 19:28, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Because it is unknown and has not been directly stated/shown they have them. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 19:52, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Because Durbe was joking. You know how funny can he be...

Yano88 (talk • contribs) 20:01, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Yano, quit being a whiny brat or whatever on earth you're trying to be about the whole issue. There are more professional ways to argue about it than the way you are doing so. At this point you are contributing absolutely nothing to the discussion for the sake of what? A punch line? I don't even know what you are trying to accomplish anymore. Policy dictates that we do things a certain way. We can't change that. I'm sure Krios and a lot of other people support the idea that the Barians have these Numbers. But we can't put that in because we don't have definitive proof. Yes, it is implied. Yes, it seems incredibly obvious. But then again, Heliocentricism was once seen as "obviously wrong" and the one where everything revolved around the Earth was seen as "obviously correct". What that has to do with the discussion, nothing except that you can't just say something is so because it seems obvious that it is that way. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk) 20:09, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Ignoring the above spat, while which specific Barian holds them is up to speculation, since one of the Barians' goals is to collect the Numbers, it is clear that the group most likely took possession of them as a collective since after IV's defeat, Durbe lists off the remaining people with Numbers and Nasch orders everyone to split up and find them.--BahamutX978 (talk • contribs) 20:14, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about said spat. That being said, if you scroll to the very end of it you will see the reason that we can't do that: it's implied. It's not explicitly stated, shown, etc. As such, our hands are tied. We can't do anything about "implied" because that which is "obviously implied to be correct" is not proof. For example, I could say that Z-One was Yusei before watching the episode that says that he was actually someone impersonating Yusei in every way. Also it was once "obvious" that Number 96 should have gone to Yuma after it was defeated. Yet, hey what's this? He's with...Vector??? That's the reason. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk) 20:18, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Aye. Aeron makes excellent points. This was why I asked UK to lock the page temporaily... Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 20:21, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. I figured offering a group term as the current possessor(s) would be better than just putting "Unknown" since we can't say who specifically because we don't see them obtained.

Also, just as a little extra comment, I always thought that the following episode made it clear that Vector got 96 since its power is part of the card. I never once thought that Yuma got 96 after that scene(same for 65 with it). But then again, that is a completely different discussion.--BahamutX978 (talk • contribs) 20:28, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

It is. I just offered that as an example of the discrepancies; I thought it was obvious up until 96's power was revealed to be with Don Thousand. At that point I hesitated. But that's beside the point. I'm truthfully all for putting down the Barian Emperors as the current holders but I know that it's not going to hold up against speculation unless the admins reeeaaaaalllly stretch that policy to its limits. Which they won't. It's not quite close enough for them to go that far. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk) 20:40, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Aeron dont lose your cool for my comments. If you find them unappropriate or off topic limit yourself to delete them. Dont go ahead writing poems about me :-D Also if I may add, Number 96 being with Yuma was never sure. In fact I was the first to suggest that it was with Vector since it was never shown to be absorbed by Astral. Finally I say that Seven Barian Emperors or even better "Barian World" or even a disclaimer (because you were a fan of it since last week, now no more) is better than Unknown because what Durbe said is much of a proof. Also Unknown is wrong. We do know where those Numbers are. They are at the disposal of the Barians. ---> Barian World > Unknown. More logic and offers more information about those cards.

ps: It wasnt me who re opened this discussion. I just made a joke about Durbe so next time, just chill before going rage on me.

Yano88 (talk • contribs) 21:48, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Please explain how Durbe listing people with Numbers is proof that they have acquired more, because I would really like to know. An Unknown is not wrong as we have NO CHARACTER IN WHICH TO ATTRIBUTE THE NUMBERS TO. I would also like an explanation as to how the Barian World can own things, last I checked non sentient things are in capable of such feats.Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 21:58, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Yes of course Durbe saying to Nasch (after the duel against IV) that the Numbers Holder now are just III, V and Yuma definitely means that Gimmick Puppet Numbers are left with IV on the ground or maybe some fairy ghost of the Astral World took them XD If you dont want to put Barian World even Nasch would be better since, from the start of the anime, when a Number Hunter defeat another one, he usually takes the Numbers. XD Anyway for me this discussion is over since weeks.

Yano88 (talk • contribs) 22:14, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

So you've found 100% proof that could not be taken any other way Nasch has them then? And you are still yet to tell us when Durbe said they acquired more Numbers.Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 22:17, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Im not telling you anything. Like I said discussing this matter is time wasted. "We dont have evidences, hands tied". God, this really seems the CIA wikia XD. I already made my point clear. Unknown is wrong since we know, for sure, 100%, confirmed by the anime, that those Numbers are with the Barians now. Dont want to change. Fine by me. I'll try to live on lol.

Yano88 (talk • contribs) 23:01, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Calm down, everyone, this isn't getting us anywhere.

Instead of changing the location in the table, might it be prudent to mention elsewhere that while the locations of the Arclight's Number's are unknown, they are presumably in the hands of the Barians? Same going for Djinn Buster being with Vector. Of course, this would be for the time being until furthur information is revealed. At least this way it comes to both sides of the arguement. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 22:58, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

^This, seriously it's a nice middle ground which should allow conflict to be avoided... please? XD --slave(command•works) 23:22, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

We'd have to take it up with the admins. Given that those who've seen this topic are understandbly annoyed whenever it gets brought up, it might be a wee bit difficult...Or is that just me? Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 23:51, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

First of all, I'm glad this is being discussed. Because not doing so will do nothing but get the page locked again.

If it was my call alone, I would say "put Seven Barian Emperors". It would make no sense for them not to take them, given that's their entire goal. However, one could argue that the "Numbers" just vanished altogether and no one has them and that their goal would still be accomplished with the "Numbers" are gone.

In almost all cases, I hate the idea of putting "presumably" anywhere on this wiki. This is one of the cases I would make an exception for, given that I expect we'll get in-universe clarification eventually and how obvious it seems. So yes, I have no problem with "presumably" in this case.

I can't just say yes or no though. What does everyone else think? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:34, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Truthfully, I don't see a good answer anywhere. Unknown is truthful and adheres to policy, but personally unsatisfactory nonetheless. At this point though it seems a lot of people seem to agree that the only way they could go anywhere else would be extremely unlikely circumstances. Policy vs. "Duh they obviously took tehm" is the only point of this long argument. If Cheesedude is willing to stretch the boundaries of policy to fit over this, then I give "Barian Emperors" my vote as well. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk) 01:42, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

I vote to put Seven Barian Emperors, guys.Over-HundredLegendaryChaosShiningNumbers (talk • contribs) 01:54, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

All sounds good to me =) --slave(command•works) 03:04, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'd prefer presumably, but I don't mind either way, just as long as we can clear this up. The reason that I initially mentioned that was due to its use (although far moer justified) in the Wicked God article that states that presumably Bandit Keith still has his copy of the "Eraser", (though it also notes that he hated the card.) Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 03:10, November 26, 2013 (UTC)