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In a situation where i have set [[Divine Punishment]] turns ago. I want to activate [[The Sanctuary in the Sky]] and my opponent counters with [[Mystical Space Typhoon]] or [[Magic Jammer]]. Can i activate [[Divine Punishment]] to counter their move? [[User:XavierEsperance|XavierEsperance]] ([[User talk:XavierEsperance|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XavierEsperance|contribs]]) 17:48, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
:<s>Yes you can! [[Mystical Space Typhoon]]/[[Magic Jammer]] hasn't resolved yet so [[The Sanctuary in the Sky]] is still face-up on the field, so [[Divine Punishment]] meets it requirements and it can be activated.</s> [[User:ATEMVEGETA|<span style="color:red;">ATEMVEGETA</span>]] ([[User_talk:ATEMVEGETA|Talk]]) 19:54, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

eh... sure? Is the condition really met if The Sanktuary in the sky hasn't resolved yet? [[User:-dest-|-dest-]] ([[User talk:-dest-|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/-dest-|contribs]]) 22:44, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

:Well, Dest... Just to point it out with "Royal Decree" vs. "Macro Cosmos", "[[Grand Convergence]]" still activate and destroy opponent's monsters ever if Macro Cosmos is on the field and is negated under "Royal Decree". But as for chain and resolve, I would thinking about "Jinzo" vs. "Bottomless Trap Hole", Jinzo beat BTH. --<span style="font-family: 'Bookman Old Style';">[[User:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">F</font></span>]][[User talk:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">r</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:black;"><font size"2">e</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">d</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation/Memoir_(disambiguation)|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">C</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Theory_of_Evilness_of_Yusei_Fudo|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">a</font></span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">t</font></span>]]</span> 22:50, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

in your example macro is already on the field and the effect has resolved. Even if the effect is negated, it still resolved and is on the field. The point that makes me wonder is not, that the effect is not activate at that time. The effect hasn't even resolved. [[User:-dest-|-dest-]] ([[User talk:-dest-|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/-dest-|contribs]]) 22:55, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

:So I would point that Stardust Dragon would not able to stop "Bottomless Trap Hole" when he's ''synchro summoned'' onto the field. Is that what you're looking for, Dest? --<span style="font-family: 'Bookman Old Style';">[[User:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">F</font></span>]][[User talk:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">r</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:black;"><font size"2">e</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">d</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation/Memoir_(disambiguation)|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">C</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Theory_of_Evilness_of_Yusei_Fudo|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">a</font></span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">t</font></span>]]</span> 22:56, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

::Weird! [http://yugioh.faq.konami.jp/EokpControl?&lang=en&tid=59421&event=FE0006 Rulings] say that you cannot chain [[Divine Punishment]] if [[The Sanctuary in the Sky]] hasn't resolved yet. 

::[[Grand Convergence]] on the other hand [http://yugioh-wiki.net/index.php?%A1%D4%A5%B0%A5%E9%A5%F3%A5%C9%A5%AF%A5%ED%A5%B9%A1%D5 can be chained] to the activation of [[Macro Cosmos]], even though [[Macro Cosmos]] hasn't resolved yet. 

::It either has to do something with the slightly different wording of the lores, or we deal with another [[BKSS]] Ruling again.

::[[User:ATEMVEGETA|<span style="color:red;">ATEMVEGETA</span>]] ([[User_talk:ATEMVEGETA|Talk]]) 00:27, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

:::I'd guess that it's because [[Field Spell Card]] are different from [[Continuous Trap Card]] as they treat the field as '-card name-' which is what divine punishment is after, while Convergence, just needs the card to be on the field., -[[User:Resk|<span style="color:purple;">Resk</span>]] ([[User_talk:Resk|Talk]]) 00:30, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

:::: It's like how you can't activate 'Quick-like' effects of Field Spells when the card is initially placed on the field, but you can activate the 'Quick-like' effects of Continuous Trap cards when you initially flip them face-up. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 03:10, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

So.... Conclusion for now is, [[Divine Punishment]] cannot be activated to save a [[The Sanctuary in the Sky]] from activating until [[BKSS]]? [[User:XavierEsperance|XavierEsperance]] ([[User talk:XavierEsperance|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XavierEsperance|contribs]]) 02:43, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
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 So.... Conclusion for now is, [[Divine Punishment]] cannot be activated to save a [[The Sanctuary in the Sky]] from activating until [[BKSS]]? [[User:XavierEsperance|XavierEsperance]] ([[User talk:XavierEsperance|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/XavierEsperance|contribs]]) 02:43, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
-:@Resk, Falzar FZ: This is the case yes! Cards like [[Divine Punishment]], [[Tornado Wall]], ect need the Field to be "The Sanctuary in the Sky"/"Umi"/ect, not of the card [[The Sanctuary in the Sky]]/[[Umi]]/ect to be face-up on the field. So if you Special Summon [[The Sanctuary in the Sky]] or [[Umi]] from your Deck with [[Magical Hats]] and they are flipped face-up then [[Divine Punishment]] and [[Tornado Wall]] cannot be activated, because the field is not treated as "The Sanctuary in the Sky"/"Umi" even though a card named like that is face-up on the field.
-:@XavierEsperance: Correct! [[Divine Punishment]] cannot be activated in the same chain with [[The Sanctuary in the Sky]].
-:[[User:ATEMVEGETA|<span style="color:red;">ATEMVEGETA</span>]] ([[User_talk:ATEMVEGETA|Talk]]) 08:30, February 24, 2011 (UTC)