Talk:Prophecy

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Archetype/Series?

Is this a confirmed archetype? I mean there are a LOT of Spellcaster-Type monsters and Spellcaster-related cards that have "Magical" on their names. Examples include Magical Exemplar, Breaker the Magical Warrior, Magical Dimension, Magical Marionette, Magical Explosion and many others, and based on a language that has no plurality, it may not be a new archetype at all. Just saying....JC Ablaza (talk • contribs) 13:01, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

• oh look, someone edited the "archetype" as "series". i shall calm down now... for now.JC Ablaza (talk • contribs) 13:01, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

welli think that rokujuro is the owner of the magical archetype--Yugx5dszexal (talk • contribs) 03:17, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

"Magical" is just a rough translation. It's probably going to change from OCG to TCG. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 03:24, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Does anyone think that the name should be: "Magical Arcana"? Due to being Major Arcana tarot cards [1]--Nexus Shiker(Talk) 14:34, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

It's a possibility, but there's nothing in the Japanese names that translates to "Arcana", and series/archetype pages are always named to reflect card names. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:45, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Big discovery

I checked back and forth in both the Magical and Book of Spell pages, and i found out that they both have 魔(ま)導(どう) + 書 (Book, Sho). So, i'm not sure what to name these monsters anymore since book of spell are already printed before Return of the Duelist, but the Book of Spell archetype should merge with this page. 24.83.215.20 (talk) 03:23, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

With the exception of "Magical Calligrapher Batel", none of the "Magical" cards have 書 in their names; that's exclusive to the "Book of Spell" cards. As I said on my talk page, that means "Book of Spell" is a sub-archetype of "Magical" (and this isn't that surprising, since the latter supports the former), but since the latter has no support of its own, this really doesn't mean much. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:08, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Archetype Members

If Dark Jeroid can be part of the Roid archetype, then I think all other monsters with [魔導] in their name should be a part of this archetype.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 14:20, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Possible Name Origin

Not only are the cards being named after the Major Arcana of the tarot, but also these could be specifically named after the Tarot of Marseilles. This is one of the older derivation of the Tarot deck.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 19:17, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Archetype support

well, with Magical Technician La Pende, Magical can now be deemed as an archetype. uh, but the Spellbook archetype also has 魔導 in their names. Should we do the same thing as Rainbow Dragon and Rainbow Dark Dragon's issue as in listing both at the same time?

Like, instead of "When this card is sent to the Graveyard: Add 1 Level 3 'Magical' monster from your Deck to your hand.", it should be "When this card is sent to the Graveyard: Add 1 Level 3 'Magical' or 'Spellbook' monster from your Deck to your hand." LastMinute (talk • contribs) 22:53, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

For the time being, there are no "Spellbook" monsters other than Batel so that change to La Pende's card text in not necessary since Batel already has the word "Spellbook" in its name. I'm just waiting for the TCG name for these two archetypes. Hopefully, Kevin Tewart won't fudge this up.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 06:38, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Renaming the "Prophecy" Monsters

With the official TCG names of the monsters being released, it seems they all follow a format, the format being "Tarot Name" of Prophecy. Examples being "High Priestess of Prophecy" and "Strength of Prophecy." Should we start renaming all the Prophecy monsters following this format, even though they haven't been released yet? For example, Tris would be renamed "Empress of Prophecy." - 魔法師 (talk • contribs) 05:32, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

I think it would be okay, for example even though they don't show the card they mention Hierophant on the webpage so Magical Hierophant Heiron could be renamed to match the new style. Look234 (talk • contribs) 05:56, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

"Prophecy" Archetype Members

Is it really necessary to include ALL cards that have "Madou" in their names as a part of this archetype? Yes I am aware of The Hanged Man who searches for any LV 3 "Madou" monster but it just so happens that all LV 3 Madous are actually Prophecy members (Temperance, Justice, Amores, Hermit). Which means they are the only valid targets for the only support card this archetype has. So to me, having all the other monsters such as Breaker the Magical Warrior, Armor Exe, The Fiend Megacyber, etc. seems pointless.

I know someone's mentioned the whole Dark Jeroid and Magical Android being part of the Vehicroid archetype but that's different. Those are actually valid targets for effects since some Vehicroids, such as Ambulanceroid only require a monster with "roid ロイド in its name and their names just so happen to have roid. Prophecy is different since none of the other monsters like Endymion are valid targets for the only card tying them together as an archetype, making it pointless to include them.

Also I don't belive Mage Power or Type Zero Magic Crusher or any non Spellbook Spell/Trap should be included. Spellbooks are okay since the Prophecy monsters' effects rely on Spellbooks but the other ones? The only card that searches for Madou cards, The Hanged Man, searches for monsters making all the non Spellbook Spells/Traps irrelevent. - 魔法師 (talk • contribs) 20:40, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

This has been discussed some for other archetypes; current consensus is that archetype membership is, for our purposes, determined solely by a card's name. This is easier for us to maintain, since we don't have to determine whether a given card would actually be supported by a given support card (something that can be quite a bit more difficult than you would think, especially with obscure manga-only cards). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 21:41, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Well okay. But what about the non Spellbook Spell/Traps? The only support, The Hanged Man, looks for monsters not Spells/Traps. Plus Prophecy should be an archetype of monsters that relate to the Spellbooks. Mage Power and such doesn't really seem at all relevent. - 魔法師 (talk • contribs) 21:46, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Again, archetype membership is determined solely by card names. This means that, in this case, spells and traps are part of the archetype even though the current lone support card only supports monsters. This is not the first archetype like this, either; most support cards tend to specify that they only support one or two card types, and there are plenty of archetypes (particularly anime/manga-only ones) that only have a single support card which specifies that. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:02, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Well okay then. I don't really like the jumbled mess the Prophecy table has become but I guess I'll just put up with it. Thanks for the info good sir. - 魔法師 (talk • contribs) 23:00, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I did neglect to mention, though (even though I thought of mentioning), that there is no problem with noting on the archetype page the support caveats that in practice would exclude archetype members. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 03:34, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

so much for credibility thenRastez (talk • contribs) 07:38, October 17, 2013 (UTC)