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Color[edit]

What color do you think they'll make them. Brown, Pink, Teal? Thanonyx (talk • contribs) 17:14, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

well the discussion about the colour was informed in YCM surprisingly. the colours of the card frame will be brown... sound distasteful... unless chocolate colour... xD. another info was concern that the specification of monsters isn't entirely narrowed down. as it said the requirement are at 2 monsters of any kinds that are in same level to summon but what left out is that it didn't say YOUR own monsters or at least. so people claiming the discussion that exceed summon is similar to super polymerization??? and of course people's opinion seem to think it's broken but that cannot be based on lack of an example of an excess monster's potential. Scheath666 (talk • contribs) 07:14, February 16, 2011 (UTC)Scheath666

I don't know about the color, but the summoning mechanic originated in this thread on Pojo.com - note the very first paragraph of the OP's comment:

So I'm bored and the new mechanic from Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL actually sounds kind of interesting. So in the absence of more information about it, I've decided to mess around with my own ideas until more is presented. Feel free to add any cards if you want, but I'm more than certain I'll turn out to be way off about how Exceed Summoning works. (emphasis mine)

As far as I can tell based on a Google search, there isn't actually *any* official word yet on how Exceed summons will work, or what color Exceed monster cards will be. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:43, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yes I have to agree with you, upon my research they really lack of concrete info and examples of how it does, so this info we have here could turn out to be liable but that is too hasty to conclude. before the info before this was stated that excess monsters are placed in the main deck but now the newer source of someone has mention that it is placed in extra deck instead. oddly i dun see anything about the star will come as black or so and be considered as rank than level. Scheath666 (talk • contribs) 08:08, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

I actually like this better than synchro, and even fusion summon (and ritual summon). In my opinion, it's much simpler to summon them, since instead of "first synchro these two monsters to get this synchro monster, and then synchro that with..." you know how it is, you just need two level three, two, one or four monsters etc. The card also looks pretty cool. I think a black background was the right way to go. This booster just might get me back into Yugioh XD (btw, I don't have an account, so I can't sign it)  :(

I hope that "Rank" will be interchangeable with "Level"; as in, cards that specify a "Level 5 monster" can apply to Rank 5 Exceed Monsters. Is this the case? 199.212.250.97 (talk) 14:40, February 18, 2011 (UTC) Nope. You connt use exceed(xyz what) for other exceed(xyz wtf) summons. They have ranks and that's different from levels. They might MAKe exceed (xyz..ugh) monsters that use other exceed(xy..z) monsters for them like they did with synchros..but the odds are low.

The background color of xyz monsters will be the color black and the the usually brown colored frame will look like outer space. Of course the color of the actual monster will vary. 173.63.57.133 (talk) 20:43, October 20, 2011 (UTC)Alan Gohel

lore[edit]

i was wondering why cards have japanese lore like "レベル３モンスター×２", but we just leave out the multiple sign like "2 Level 3 Monsters". 70.79.82.181 (talk) 08:02, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

It's shorthand. In Japanese, "レベル３モンスター２" or "２レベル３モンスター" would be nonsensical. "2 (Monsters)" would be written like "２枚の" or "２体の" or some such. Plus you'd use the former if referring to "2 Monster Cards" and the latter when referring to "2 Monsters". Using "×２" is about the most unambiguous way of writing it, even if it's not actually Japanese. In English, "2 Level 3 Monsters" is the most concise and unambiguous way of writing the same thing.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 06:22, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Move to "Xyz Monster"?[edit]

It appears that Exceeds are supposed to be spelled Xyz. With an open mind, it would be pronounced something like "Ex-seize" or something similar, and would match the Katakana.

So should we move it? If there's no opinion voiced otherwise, I'll move it in 18 hours. Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 02:25, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'd prefer to wait a while until we get more/official confirmation - assuming that's legit (and I'm not saying it isn't, but that's still a possibility), "Xyz" *could* be referring to something else. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:46, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
True, true. But if the picture is indeed legit, then there's not much else that the deck could be the "Dawn" of. Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 03:06, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
I would suggest that we wait till we can see the rule book or something explaining Exceeds. So we can move this page and Exceed Summon and anything else related at once. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 09:29, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
That makes perfect sense. Changing bit by bit wouldn't work, I suppose. In any case, I find the need to post this link. It contains a known Konami employee saying that Exceeds is an incorrect interpretation of the Japanese name. That may mean that the term "Exceed" may have to be tossed from the page later. Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 21:09, May 20, 2011 (UTC)
"Xyz" read as a word, rather than three letters, looks like a valid translation of "エクシ一ズ" (Ekushīzu) to me. The name of the Starter Deck makes it look more likely that that's what's going to be used, but doesn't necessarily prove it. But there's no proof of "Exceed" being correct either. If I had to bet money on what it is, I'd go with "Xyz", but I'd rather have direct proof before renaming the pages. I don't entirely like leaving the page at something that I think is more likely to be wrong either. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:26, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
Like D-Neos said, Exceed is our only current proof and only know name/type of the new monsters. Xyz is just ridiculous translation, like "Pot of Greedersity" or "No. 17 Revise Dragon", which original made a mistake when it first came to the exist. So when TCG version of the deck that Exceed Monster is first exist in coming out, we can see the result, but for now, we cannot push it to change into silly article that have nothing to do with them. --FredCat 19:35, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
And it's been moved again. Yay, move wars! Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:42, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
I disagree with the logic behind the move. It's not the exact same as the cards mentioned. We know they're the official English names of the cards because we've seen them printed on the cards or heard the name explicitly referring to those cards. We haven't heard "Xyz" explicitly being used to refer to these monsters. We've only heard the term "Xyz" and can assume it refers to these monsters.
FredCat: How is "Exceed" our only current proof? It's never officially been translated as that. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:00, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
At first, it was called "Excess" before it got change. The translation we have from that day since is known as "Exceed", which is known as our "current proof", as I called it. But why Xyz in the haste? And I have seen them all moved already, though you already stated that we need a direct proof. I am support with your opinion, my respect Admin, for moving this article along with it relates. --FredCat 23:03, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
I can guarantee that if this article is not moved back and then move-protected, it will be moved again within twenty-four hours. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:12, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
Were you sure you had enough coffee, Coffeedude? --FredCat 23:14, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I did today, actually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:21, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
That's good, I would perhaps tone it a little bit, as I could see you nearly jump all over the room just like Rua --FredCat 23:24, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
Currently we have just as much prrof as "Exceed' as Excess or anything else. We actually have MORE evidence leaning towards Xyz than Exceed, so by Wiki rules we must use teh more suprted name. Besides, Exceed has alreday been debunked by both Japan and English represnttaives, so teh chnage stays. Lush_City (talk • contribs) 00:28, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
Besides "Xyz" being mentioned in the advertisement for the new Starter Deck, what evidence do you have? Care to link to it, please? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:39, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?p=21610197&highlight=exceeds#post21610197 That vouches for the validity of my source AND the invalidty of Exceed. Straight from a Konami lead Excecutive. Lush City (talk • contribs) 01:42, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
Tewart says nothing about xyz. He says Exceed is wrong, but that's it. Him saying Exceed is wrong simply means that we know Exceed won't be the official English name. It doesn't meant the translation was wrong, Tewart is known to twist things like that, and would tell you that "Dark Magician" isn't called "Black Magician" in Japan if he could get away with it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:58, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
I know, which means, as of now, he have more evidence for "Xyz" that "Exceed" even if Xyz has only one source that still beats the 'zero sources Exceed has; since Exceed is off the table it's either Xyz or Excess and since the latter has NO evidence we must go with Xyz by process of elimination. Lush City (talk • contribs) 02:29, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
The issue is that the article you linked to doesn't specify what xyz refers to. It's likely Exceed monsters, but that's confirmed. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:38, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
A 'likely" geuss as to what they are caled is nevertheless superior to what we know is CONFIRMED wrong.Lush City (talk • contribs) 02:41, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not so sure about that. It's always been that no speculation is allowed. When we hear an upcoming term, but haven't been told what it refers to, it's speculation to make an assumption as to what it refers to. Many users tried editing the Signer Dragons page to say "Life Stream Dragon" (before we knew its name) was "Power Tool Dragon" or "Black-Winged Dragon" (before we saw what it looked like). We used the name "fifth Dragon" at the time, which obviously wasn't going to be what it was called. The other two were guesses which had some logic behind them, but it would have been very wrong to say that they were "Life Stream Dragon". It would be bad if these pages were called "Xyz" and later find "Xyz" was referring to something else. "Exceed" at least isn't referring to something else.
I am quite sure "Xyz" is referring to these monsters, but wouldn't use it as a page name until it's confirmed. I don't like using the name "Exceed" knowing it's wrong either, but it's the only other alternative at the moment. It's at least a valid translation of "エクシ一ズ" and many people are using it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:53, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  • Why are we even discussing this with some random newbie user who just can't understand the fundamental rules of the Wiki? Speculation is not used to name pages, or at least, it shouldn't be. Move it back to Exceed Monsters and move-protect it. There's no point arguing with people with stupid mentalities.--YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 14:04, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
Why don't we do the same thing we did with Life Stream, where you called it "fifth dragon"? If we don't know that Xyz refers to them yet, and we know Exceed and Excess are wrong, why don't we write something like "black-bordered monsters"? That's what Konami has been referring to them as for now, that and "the new monster type later this year". If you guys want I can go get proof of this. It just seems weird to say one name doesn't work because it could be wrong, and then go use something else that's also wrong.SuperKirbyFan (talk • contribs) 14:15, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
  • But the fact is that we've used "Exceed" up to this point. The new name will be revealed soon, anyway, so we might as well use what we had before busybodies started changing it. We could use "black-border monsters" and "black-border summon", but that is pretty awkward and seems unnecessary.-YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 14:17, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't matter if it seems awkward if it's correct. It also doesn't matter what we've been using in the past, if it's wrong. The fact stands that we don't know if Xyz refers to these new monsters, we know that Exceed and Excess are both wrong, and we also know that Konami has said "black-bordered monster" multiple times. Therefore, that would be the most correct name. SuperKirbyFan (talk • contribs) 14:56, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not actually a Newbie Yam, and even if I was using claimed seniority and insults to back up faulty reasoning is a bad ploy. (I actually lost my old account). In any case we KNOW Exceed is wrong so we cant use the term. If anything I'd use your idea of "black bordered monsters" if only to be with 100% compliance. I personally value educated speculation over outright lying, which is what the willing use of the term 'Exceed' on this site amounts to.Lush City (talk • contribs) 18:58, May 26, 2011 (UTC)
I think we should use the Term Exceed, mainly because that is the best translation we got. We don't know what XYZ means, it may be a monster, it may be a new Archetype, it may be an anagram for the new name of the monsters. Hell, it could also be something Konami made up because it sounds cool. Exceed may be wrong, but it is the best we got. And its not lying, its simply putting the name that we have to something. So unless Konami makes an OFFICIAL statement that XYZ is the new name (which sounds absolutely stupid), Exceed is the best we got. And "Black-Bordered-Monsters is something a 5 year old would put as the name. It may not be the most accurate translation, but its simply the best we got. (P.S. I fixed your spelling errors.) (Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 20:20, May 26, 2011 (UTC)).
I'd like to bring up the official site. Linked is the product page for the upcoming starter deck, "Dawn of the Xyz", and it directly uses the term "Xyz monsters" and gives images of the three in the deck. Miar (talk • contribs) 03:58, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
Great, case closed. I see the articles have already been moved back. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 05:37, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
Isn't Xyz the English TCG name, while Exceed is the original OCG name? I thought that was the case. Patrick (talk • contribs) 17:22, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
"Exceed" was never used anywhere: "Yeah the Katakana could be done that way. They pronounce it Ekkushiizu. Ekkusu is x, the sound "i" could be for a y so they switch "su" to "shi" and then add "zu" for z." DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 17:37, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
Right, Exceed was a commonly accepted translation that had no context. It wasn't wrong, but it wasn't exactly right either. "Xyz" is another possible translation, just not one a translator would be likely to use. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:12, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia links[edit]

Ahampster1 (talk • contribs) keeps removing one or both Wikipedia links in the article's lede, pointing to wikipedia:Antimatter and wikipedia:Black hole, with the first removal accompanied by the edit summary ""Black Hole" is not a YGO term and was used in a scientific matter rather than the game itself." Just to be clear, these links are not intended to add anything to the text from the perspective of theYu-Gi-Oh! franchise or card game(s), but rather are meant to allow further reading on the real-world topics for anyone so inclined. The links should not be removed again without clear, solid reasoning posted here on the talk page. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:54, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I had warning him many times, and he's being knucklehead against me up to now. If he continued to knocking those links off, I will call a ban for a week. --FredCat 22:57, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand the removal of the links either. If it had been an internal link to Black Hole (a redirect to the card "Dark Hole"), I'd understand, since that doesn't refer to the scientific term. But the Wikipedia page is an article on the scientific term. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:08, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
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