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Star Pack Battle Royal's SFRs

Hi there! :)
How is it going?

I've been wanting to upload the rest of Star Pack Battle Royal's SFRs's pictures from Troll and Toad, but I remember that you weren't sure if their UE battle packs SFR/MSR cards that I'd uploaded from them were real.
So, there they are:
http://www.trollandtoad.com/YuGiOh/10322.html?orderBy=Alphabetical+A-Z&filterKeywords=Starfoil+Rare&sois=No&minPrice=&maxPrice=&yuCardTypeSelect=Select+Card+Type&minLevelRank=&maxLevelRank=&minAttack=&maxAttack=&minDefense=&maxDefense=&pageLimiter=25&showImage=Yes&PageNum=
What do you say? Seems legit?
SSCooler (talk • contribs) 21:21, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

Hey SSCooler! All good, thanks. How are you?

They do seem legit to me. Feel free to upload them.

By the way, we have a Discord server, if you feel like joining; it's useful to ask for simple stuff like this. You don't need to install anything, since it can be ran on the browser. If you decide to join, here's the invitation link. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 00:48, April 2, 2017 (UTC)

Cool, me too, thanks! :)

Alright, I will very soon then

I'm pretty sure I already registered once to get the YGOPRO links, so I'll check it and join haha

SSCooler (talk • contribs) 17:30, April 2, 2017 (UTC)

Reply about replacing files along with question about files being okay.

When my mover rights were revoked, I could not rename files, though I could still replace files. I can regain these rights as long as there are no additional problems. I don't want to get blocked for that edit on Card Gallery:Grave Ohja or get in even more trouble around here as I still want to help out on this wiki.

I have a set of images that I was prepared to upload, but I need to make sure they are not considered useless. I did have a closeup of "Unsinkable Titanica" that I was prepared to upload that shows the lion head on the ship at a better angle along with another image that showed the three angel statues not seen in the nc image. Should I rename these (they were supposed to be named closeup, but this is not valid anymore for this wiki as from your recent message to me)?

I also have an image of "Fiendish Knight", which does show its back during its attack, but most of its front is still visible. Would this image be okay to upload here? Should I crop the image so that it only shows this monster's back?

I also have an image of "Overlay Banish" with its full name visible (the main image has part of it cut off due to showing the lore as well), but it also shows most of the rest the card as well? Would this image be okay to upload here?

Reply when you can! Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 14:18, April 4, 2017 (UTC)

I would not put so many images in one Gallery. Personally Depending on which part of the monster is not shown in the nc, I would show either the side or the back of the monster if that was possible as they aren't shown in the image. Note that there are other nc images not uploaded by me which has monsters in different poses. I wouldn't put those in.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 17:17, April 4, 2017 (UTC)

That kind of thing needs to be on a case-by-case basis. Based on the above, I'd say the "Titantica" image is probably fine and the "Fiendish Knight" one is not.

NC images are complicated. For example, we can't use an image of a monster from episode 38 in the article for episode 97, even if its the same monster, so that sort of thing can result in multiple NC images. So the general rule there is to ensure the images are being used somewhere besides just the galleries, if possible. In fact, I'm not even sure we need them in the galleries to begin with. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:04, April 5, 2017 (UTC)

Add a gallery please

Please add the Korean gallery for

Duelist Pack: Yusei

I'll upload them; this month maybe; so once I have them scanned I'll go for the 30 in a row. Thanks.

Erdvilla (talk • contribs) 13:50, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

Created. Thanks for the images! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 14:05, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

The Tip cards; don't you want them added? I have the 10 (9 + check list one), I have them for the Yusei 1, 2 and 3, and also for the Crow DP. If you want them added, add the section on the galleries please; otherwise I won't scan them if they aren't wanted. Erdvilla (talk • contribs) 18:35, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

There are Strategy Cards in Korean as well? Alrighty, hum, we were thinking of changing them to their own gallery. I've added them into the same gallery, for now. And yes, we want them, fantastic.

When uploading the Strategy Cards, don't use the {{OCG-TCG card image}} template on them, because it's not supposed to.

Thanks a lot! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 18:43, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

Don't forget to add them to the Yusei 2 and 3 DPs as well. And to the Crow's DP, I also have the Korean tip cards from those 3.Erdvilla (talk • contribs) 18:59, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

Done. In any case, in the future, if you need galleries that are missing, you just need to search for similar ones, copy them and change the indexes, basically. If you need help, feel free to contact me anytime, though. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 20:25, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I added the MACR-KR gallery, and it worked Set Card Galleries:Maximum Crisis (OCG-KR-1E) Now I have a related question; the card numbers MACR-KR001... and so on, appear red as they aren't linked to the existing card page, is this done later automatically by a bot? Or how can I link them to the current page for the card? For example the MACR-KR001 should be linked to MACR-JP001 as it is the current card page. So should I simply add those links when I click on the red link and a small window pops-up? Or is it better that I leave it alone for an automatic update? Erdvilla (talk • contribs) 14:03, April 10, 2017 (UTC)

Ok, to start, it seems you're using the VisualEditor. I'd advise you to switch to the source editor (seeing the code of the page). You can do so by going to your preferences and changing "preferred editor" to the source editor (if you don't like it, you can always change it back).

Regarding the red links, that's because the page for them doesn't exist yet. In case of, say, MACR-JP001, it's a page that redirects to another (in this case, to "Performapal Sky Magician"). If you want, you can go through all of them and create them, but it's a tedious task; I can set my bot account to do it. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 14:16, April 10, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, it automatically opened de Visual editor, so I thought that was the way to go, but it didn't created the gallery just placed my text as is; but then with the page created I did the usual of pressing E to edit it and delete the headers so that the gallery showed up, but didn't thought of removing the spacing the VE created. I also added the KR list and this time I looked on the menu and saw that, the Source editor and was straight on familiar terrain, so I hope the list doesn't have the spacing issue. I'll leave your bot to do the dirty work for the gallery then. Erdvilla (talk • contribs) 14:28, April 10, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I much prefer the source editor; you can manage the content directly. And yes, all good with the set list. I already have my bot working on it. Thanks! Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 14:39, April 10, 2017 (UTC)

Do you know How far ARC v is for Korea at this point

How far is the Korean dub of ARC v at this point. From a previous message I got, it should have gone up to episode 75 by December. Do yo know any links that show the schedule or aired episodes for ARC v in Korea. reply when you can.Cardsknower (talk • contribs) 16:58, April 8, 2017 (UTC)

Aquaria and Arc-Area translation

Hello. I want to tell you regarding the change I made in Aquaria Project page,

There are many cases interpunct is not necessary to separate a name, title, etc in Japanese. For example like the term Flame Haze in Shakugan no Shana, it’s written without any interpunct between “Flame" and “Haze" in Japanese. And Odd-Eyes Pendulum Dragon, the "Odd-Eyes” part is not written with interpunct, so it’s possible that other than Aquaria, it can also be translated as “Arc-Area”.

For this reason, just in case I think the alternate translation should be add in the page at least like this: Aquaria Project

At the very least please consider to leave it that way only until the English Dub of episode 106 is aired.--Frost190 (talk • contribs) 21:24, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

Ah, that's interesting. I don't know Japanese, thanks for enlightening me.

Yes, it could stay like that, fine by me. Thank you. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 02:30, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Temporary solution

Well, I did had already tried to poke Dino, that's why I did what I did. --XBrain130™「Ｘ（エックス）ブレーン１３０」 22:57, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

Also, I already had tried that with Anime!Zarc and no one complained in two months and half, so I thought it was alright. --XBrain130™「Ｘ（エックス）ブレーン１３０」 23:02, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

Replaces detachment of Xyz Materials from an Xyz Monster to activate its effects

I know we left the discussion hanging for renaming this category, but I'm leaning more towards XBrain's idea. Do you have any input on the matter? (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 21:01, April 17, 2017 (UTC))

Editing Issue

A block? You mean on my account? I reverted back to my edits twice, one each for a different edit for the same person. How does that warrant a block? --ArcVRains (talk • contribs) 19:54, April 26, 2017 (UTC)

On the account of the user who keeps insisting on an edit war. The other user tried to explain. If you didn't get his explanation you can either: 1) leave them a message to try to understand the issue before reverting back; 2) leave a message on the page's talk page and try to gather more input.

I also don't have the same opinion as you, hence why reverted. I will not allow another reversion without further discussion. Dennis was part of the Lancers, but he was working with the Academia. Nothing says he joined back. Celina had no reasons to leave the Lancers. She was absorbed into Ray (or better, Zuzu) and that's it and that was the end. To me (and not only to me), she was a member of the Lancers. Dennis, at some point in time, stopped being.

By the way, I noticed you went ahead with your idea on Zarc's page and then reverted, even though you were told not to. Please don't do that again; just create a sandbox page on your user space, or use Yu-Gi-Oh!:Sandbox for that kind of stuff. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 20:14, April 26, 2017 (UTC)

So you assumed I'm trying to start an edit war after two edits? You can't be serious. I wasn't gonna do anything if it got reverted. You don't know me, so don't assume you know what I'm going to do.

Declan counted Dennis as a Lancer when telling Yuya who he had to duel. Celina was captured then brainwashed into betraying the Lancers and she never rejoined. That means she shouldn't be counted as a current member. It was to show the admins my idea to look over. I don't get what the problem is. I'm still new on this site and I don't have a lot of free time so I wanted to get to the point. --ArcVRains (talk • contribs) 20:58, April 26, 2017 (UTC)

Dennis was dueled because he was a Lancer at the end of the Battle Royal; the final gauntlet that Yuya went through was intended as a simulation of the Championship finals had they continued. Dennis himself almost certainly doesn't consider himself a Lancer; the reason he's in Heartland is likely atonement as an Academy student. As for Celina, I'm with Becs on this one.

As for the edit war, that's blimmin' DragonEmeperor not giving the reasons for his reversions AGAIN.

Edits like that on the Zarc page clog up the edit history I believe, which the admins prefer to avoid.

Cool heads everyone. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 22:40, April 26, 2017 (UTC)

My reasons for Dennis and Celina aren't that different for why everyone considers Sora and Crow as Lancers.

I know, but I'm being threatened with having my account blocked over TWO edits and being accused of trying to start an edit war, while dragonpeon has been causing problems for who knows how long, but nothing is done about him.

How was I suppose to know that? If the admins had bothered to explain why I shouldn't do that, I would have dropped the issue on Zarc's page.

I'm sorry, but it's hard to keep a cool head when it feels like every time I make an edit I'm being jumped for it. --ArcVRains (talk • contribs) 17:33, April 29, 2017 (UTC)

To start, you shouldn't say stuff like " If the admins had grown a few brain cells" and then talk about people jump on you. It's rude and it's not a good start.

Sora and Crow were explicitly addressed as Lancers by Reiji, if I recall correctly, when they were on the boat on their way to Academia.

DragonEmeperor was blocked twice already and several other warnings were issued. So you saying nothing has been done and trying to pass an image that people bash on you and you are a victim is quite wrong and won't work here.

I told you not to do it on Zarc's page and explained where to do it. You just told me to mind my own business. Now, to why I didn't want that, yes, it's because it clogs the page history; experiments shouldn't be done on content pages, that everyone sees and take as a legit source of information (special cases may exist, though, but should be explicitly pointed). This should be more or less obvious, though. Also, it doesn't matter why, if an admin asks you to not do it, you shouldn't do it. Of course, I also would ask for a reason (it's legitimate) which you didn't.

Just let's conclude this matter, because this is not taking us anywhere. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 19:12, April 29, 2017 (UTC)

I know, that's why I changed it right after. It was a mistake brought upon by the stress from being on this site. I realize that was a mistake, but you don't seem to realize how excessive blocking me over TWO edits is. Did I revert ChaosGallade's edits? No. But you assumed I was going to keep at it without even saying anything on the talk page. Locking the page I can understand, but blocking me for reverting two different edits from the same person?

Sora and Crow were not explicitly referred to as Lancers. Declan's referred to the Lancers with other people before, so why should this time be any different? There wasn't even confirmation from the two themselves.

I did not know that. I never said people were bashing me on my edits. And I am not trying to play the victim. It was an exaggeration. I meant I was annoyed how almost every edit or idea I try has rejected so far.

"Also, it doesn't matter why, if an admin asks you to not do it, you shouldn't do it." If you had given me a reason why, I would have let it drop, but all you told me is that I couldn't do it. That's not much of a reason. I said I wanted to try something, that was it. It's not much of an expiation, but that's how I can best get my point across. It's another story if it was about adding something untrue or not canon.

This isn't taking us anywhere because all that we're doing are pointing out each other's faults and our justification for them. In fact, the way you've been towards me makes gives off the impression that my opinion doesn't matter. I want to resolve this, but that's not gonna happen unless we stop talking to each other as if one's right, the other's wrong, and start talking to each other as people. --ArcVRains (talk • contribs) 17:36, May 1, 2017 (UTC) —Last edited by ArcVRains (talk • contribs) at 21:05, May 1, 2017 (UTC).

It's not about blocking after two edits. It's blocking because the user seems to refuse to try to deal with the problem besides reverting. If you didn't understand why they reverted and there were reversions already; don't revert saying "Say something in the comments.", because that's halfway for people to revert you for the exact same reason and so on. I just intervened to prevent a potential edit war.

As for the Zarc page edit, I don't know what more to say. It seems you didn't read my words accurately. I know I didn't give you any reason. You also didn't ask for one. Like on the above case, you didn't try to understand what was happening; see where that lead. If you're not understanding something, pause and ask. Don't be snappy. And like I said, should be more or less obvious. These are content pages that everyone sees. You're not going to try experiments on them without approval and discussion. There are 400 active users; imagine if all of them decided to experiment stuff and then revert. I also like to experiment stuff. Look, I have around this many subpages for my experiences. You just had to copy the content from Zarc's page, paste it and change it and the publish it on a subpage of yours. It wouldn't require more effort than the one you had and you would still have the revision up in order to try to improve it and, who knows, with some tweaks, maybe it could be better than what we currently have. And if you really don't like the way we have it now, I strongly encourage you in trying to improve it. But not on Zarc's page; on a sandbox.

I always address to users as I address to people. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:46, May 1, 2017 (UTC)

But that's just it: you assumed I would have kept going if you hadn't threatened to lock the page and block my account. With Dragonemperor I undid his reversion because I've heard he's been either reverting edits without explaining why or with what he does with character bios and images and that loses credibility in my book. But if it were anyone else, I would not have reverted what they undid and instead would have PM them or debate on the talk page. You saw I didn't revert back to what I had before ChaosGallade undid it. Granted I didn't message him, but that was before you got involved.

Your right. I should have asked for a reason, but I guess I was expecting you or someone else to give me one given I was still new. (Note: I'm not bringing that up to play the victim or anything like that, merely to explain why I expected someone would give me a reason and why it didn't occur to me to ask.)

I took what you said the wrong way and apologized for that, but I can get defensive when other people butt in. An admin is more likely to listen to another or people they already know over a new user trying to suggest an idea.

There was never any intention of doing the same thing with editing a page then reverting it right after, which you presumed I would have done with other edits. It was a one time thing. My time is limited at the moment so I would have to rush trying to figure out how to set up what I needed on a sub page. --ArcVRains (talk • contribs) 18:08, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

You're looking at it in the wrong way; I didn't assume you would revert again or whatever. I just wanted to prevent an edit war. I wasn't particularly speaking to you; just to an user who would keep being stubborn and revert stuff instead of discussing.

It doesn't matter what you saw about that user. He actually tried to explain himself that second time. And the attitude of "he reverts often without explanation, so I'll just revert too" is exactly the kind of stuff I wanted to prevent. If some user does something bad, don't do it just because they did it.

What I can tell you, as an admin, is that I'm willing to listen to anyone's ideas. New people may not be into this or that of what's going on the wiki. But sometimes that's a good thing, because their perception is the general perception and we need to account for that as well (especially, in fact).

I did not presume you'd do experiments like that again. You simply shouldn't have done. You may not have time to learn how to build your own sandbox; hence why I told you how. And when I tried to help you, you were snappy towards me. But we talked about that.

Listen, mate, it's fine, it's sorted out. Don't worry. Just try to keep in line with stuff; any question just ask me. But ask. Don't engage in wars. Try solving stuff with polite conversations. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 20:06, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

Then why didn't you message me to ask me to stop? You didn't have to threaten me either. I would have stopped if you'd just done that. --ArcVRains (talk • contribs) 18:55, May 14, 2017 (UTC)

That doesn't answer my question. --ArcVRains (talk • contribs) 19:01, June 7, 2017 (UTC)

I have nothing more to say to you, because you're just being confrontational now. Why didn't I message you? Instead of leaving you a message telling you to stop, I decided to leave a message, through the edit summary, to all users, that the matter should be discussed before more changes. Based on the conversation on this section, I bet that if I had left you a message, you'd be here complaining why I left you a message, as you already kinda did, even though I tried to be as embracing as possible on that, instead of addressing particularly to you or anyone.

I did not threaten you. I was just making the users aware that, if a reverse war would keep on going, there would be consequences, because we don't tolerate that kind of behaviour. If you took that as a personal threat, well, that's too bad; it seems you felt some guilt.

I did what I did and you stopped. So, instead of particularizing the situation on you or the other fellow, I tried to be generic to avoid pointing fingers at people, because, really, that would not be very good of me (nor anyone) and, believe me, I wasn't trying to point anything to anyone; was just being generic; I don't care if it was user ArcVrains and user A or user B and user C. That kind of situation was not very correct.

It's done, there's nothing more I can say to you. Everything I could say to you is already under this section. We are done here. Just re-read it. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:57, June 7, 2017 (UTC)

Wow, you are unbelievable. So the reason you didn't message me was because you assumed you knew how I would act, even though you don't know me? How can you be so sure I would've complained if you didn't even try? I would have asked why, but then drop it afterwards. You just assumed I would complain, like how you accused me of being snappy towards you. How would you feel if I accused you of being paranoid and passive aggressive? And I wasn't taking it as an attack on me, but try taking a look at it from my perspective: a new user already threatened to have his account blocked over two edits. Of course I would complain about that, but if you had just messaged me and asked me to stop, I would have dropped it by now and this wouldn't have escalated to where it is. --ArcVRains (talk • contribs) 20:46, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

You're just being confrontational. I please ask you to stop disfiguring my words, especially when they are just above and everyone can see them. I said "Based on the conversation on this section, I bet that if I had left you a message, you'd be here complaining why I left you a message". And you say "So the reason you didn't message me was because you assumed you knew how I would act, even though you don't know me?". So it's clear it's not that. "Instead of leaving you a message telling you to stop, I decided to leave a message, through the edit summary, to all users, that the matter should be discussed before more changes." this is the reason. Do I need to point everything to you like that? I shouldn't. So I please ask you to drop this matter, because it feels like you're just here with the intent of provoking me and I am not appreciating that.

I please ask you to drop this matter. Thank you. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 21:29, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

"Ultra Polymerization" vs. "Starving Venom Fusion Dragon"

dude i cant find the rulings plus i email konami ygorules the exact same thing and they said it second effect would work u got to believe me on this Oddeyes123 (talk • contribs) 23:41, April 26, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I can't simply accept that as a valid argument, sorry.

It's a similar case to "De-Fusion" (rulings). Just search the ruling that talks about "Starving Venom Fusion Dragon" (said ruling is retrieved from the official database).

Simply put, the card Summons its materials back. Its materials are 2 DARK monsters on the field, except Tokens. When the card searches for them in the Graveyard, it will never find 2 DARK monsters on the field, except Tokens. Because the materials need to exist on the field. So even though the cards used for the Summon are in the Graveyard, its materials, 2 DARK monsters on the field, except Tokens, are not in the Graveyard. Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:54, April 26, 2017 (UTC)