User talk:Dinoguy1000/Archive/2015/03

Duel Academy

Sorry about that. Temper going all over the place there. I didn't mean to start anything. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 00:27, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Ban Lists

Alright, I'll try to remember doing that for the next list I spruce up. Forgive me for sounding stubborn, but I honestly have no idea why I did that without thinking. I'm tempted to say it's a bad habit I may have. --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 03:38, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Rarity redirect pages

I checked yugioh-card database and I found that every Rarity has short code, here is what I found:

• Extra Secret Rare (ES) Legendary Dragon of White. not (EScR)
• Gold Rare (GR) Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning. not (GUR)
• Ultra Parallel Rare (P+UR) Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning. not (UPR)
• Holographic Rare (HR) Rainbow Dragon. not (HGR)
• Normal Parallel Rare (P) Dark Magician Knight. not (PR)
• Gold Secret Rare (GS) Gimmick Puppet Dreary Doll. not (GScR)
• Secret Rare (SE) Evolzar Dolkka. not (ScR)

This is different than what we have in this wikia. --Dlamash (talk • contribs) 08:08, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

I'm aware of that, and have been since shortly after the database opened. However, we distinguish rarity variations that it lumps together, and I think there are one or two other issues about the system it uses (it's been quite a while since I looked at it in any detail, so specifics escape me). However, there are much larger concerns that keep us from switching to the official system, not least of which is that it would require renaming a huge number of card images, an already large task made even more complicated by the fact that, if I recall correctly, there are at least one or two official abbreviations that clash with the ones we've been using here.

So basically, I'm aware of the official abbreviation system, and would definitely like to get us switched to using it, but it'll be a massive undertaking, not to be approached lightly, and as a result I've been dragging my feet about the whole thing. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:18, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Another concern was that I wanted to use this as an opportunity to straighten out some of our rarity names (for example, the various Parallel and Duel Terminal Parallel rarities), do something about OCG/TCG versions of the same rarity that we count as separate (Normal Rare and Short Print, most especially, though Ghost and Holographic Rare are also prime targets), and finally and properly break down certain rarities we don't do a good job of distinguishing (mostly the various Gold rarities, though I also want to have a look at different holofoil patterns). I made some notes mostly about how our rarities compare with the database's, but also touched on a few of these other things, at User:Dinoguy1000/rarities, though it hasn't been touched since I did my investigating in August 2012, so it's woefully out of date by now (mostly in regards to new one-off rarities); feel free to make updates to it if you'd like. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:28, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Ban List redirect

I was thinking of separating the September 2007 Lists to its OCG and TCG counterparts by starting with moving September 2007 Lists to September 2007 Lists (OCG) (like you suggested). However, I'm not given the permission to do that. (Personally, I think it's because I said "Mask Change" and "Mask Change II" weren't part of the "Mask", archetypes, which is apparently something I shouldn't have done.) If I were to make separate pages for September 2007's OCG and TCG Lists, and then request to delete the original, would you let me? --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 16:56, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Not having permission to make the move had nothing to do with that, it was because we've recently restricted page moves to the mover usergroup and you hadn't been granted that. I've just given it to you now, so everything should be fine.

Note that this also lets you rename images and rename without leaving a redirect; generally, you should leave a redirect whenever you move a page in the main namespace. If nyou need any help or have any questions about the usergroup or the rights associated with it, please ask! =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:35, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for giving me mover rights. I still can't promise you much on which card doesn't belong to certain archetypes, but I'll try to perfom my new duty responsibly. --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 22:49, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

We still don't quite have all the details worked out, since we only recently started splitting the anime/manga stuff in earnest, but the way it's shaping up is that {{Not archetype member}} should only be used to exclude OCG/TCG cards from archetypes which are supported by an OCG/TCG card. So for example, it should be used to exclude Winged Dragon, Guardian of the Fortress #1 from "Guardian", but not from "Guard".

Anime and manga cards are being intentionally ignored here because it's looking like we're going to handle archetypes in the anime/manga differently than we do for the OCG/TCG. Whereas for real-life archetypes, we want to identify all members, since it affects real-life gameplay and effect resolutions and whatnot, for anime/manga archetypes we're going to limit it to just cases where a card was used as part of an archetype, which most often means "used by a particular character as part of a particular deck which is themed in that manner regardless". I'll point cheesedude here to see if he has anything to add or correct, though. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:30, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ignore that last point for now. We're still hammering out the details. Just do the anime/manga stuff as you have been doing the TCG previously. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:07, March 29, 2015 (UTC)