"Facts"(I think)[edit]

I like it like this; it's a lot easier.
You can say whatever you want: regardless of language (use) since it's only "humans" on this.
Sign and date your post (talks).
I'm still researching on "Fairy Archer", "Ally of Justice Catastor" so far...
"Little-Winguard"'s effect is Ignition or Trigger.
I don't have [multi-(sub)accounts] like "FredCat", "Dinoguy", etc..
People with unusual names like "FredCat", "Dinoguy", "Wasn't", etc are also "humans"
Don't edit on, above, and under "{:User:Wasn't/Archives}..." ▲2 "Card Rulings talk:Phantom of Chaos"
No false and/or fake claim(s), complaint(s), idea creditor(s).
God knows.
I don't know too much about "yugioh.wikia.com" nor do I know how to change colour(s), font(s), style(s), background(s), etc.

● These idea Credits goes to "FredCat"; i got it from him without asking him...

Card Rulings talk:Phantom of Chaos[edit]

Hi! This is about the question you left on Card Rulings talk:Phantom of Chaos.

Yes, "Phantom of Chaos"'s name will become "Elemental Hero Bubbleman". "Phantom of Chaos" copies all of "Elemental Hero Neo Bubbleman"'s effects, including the one that treats it as "Elemental Hero Bubbleman".
Yes, you still have to pay costs.

Also, it's usually better to ask questions on the Forum. Not only is it specifically set up for people to answer your questions, but it gets more traffic, so you'll probably get a faster answer. --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 09:36, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Also, about your question (I think it was yours?) about "Chain Material"... if you're using the effect of "Chain Material", then it changes how "Chain Material" works. You use what's written on "Chain Material", not what's on "Super Polymerization". Thus, you don't use "from either side of the field"; instead, you use "from your side of the field, Deck, hand or Graveyard". --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 09:50, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, you'd still double "Cyber Twin Dragon"'s ATK and everything. "Chain Material" only replaces the text that says where you can grab the Materials from (err, and where they go). --Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 04:52, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Double Tributers[edit]

While it is true that that would be the case, that is not the page to put it on. The Six Attributes page is SPECIFICALLY about the six attribute monsters themselves, not about strategies or uses for them. Put that on the Wicked Gods page if it isn't there already. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 23:08, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 03:02, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Its your prerogative to add in that information, not mine. And no, I'm not a researcher. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 20:07, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

RE:Contradiction between OCG/TCG and its Actual Card Text[edit]

I think we're going to devolve into semantics at this point, but...

"Phantom of Chaos" copies the effect of the monster -- as in, it copies the effect's cost, the effect's activation conditions, and the effect's effect. See Card Rulings:Neo-Spacian Dark Panther, since the two work the same way. So yes, "Phantom of Chaos" copies "The effect of "Fairy Archer" can only be used once per turn.". "Phantom of Chaos" gains access to the following:

During your Main Phase, you can inflict 400 damage to your opponent for each face-up LIGHT monster you control. This card cannot attack during the same turn you activate this effect. Only one "Fairy Archer" can have its effect activated per turn.

This is the effect of "Fairy Archer". It can only be activated once per turn. --Deus Ex Machina ✉ 01:18, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

As I said, "Phantom of Chaos" also copies activation costs and activation conditions. See Card Rulings:Neo-Spacian Dark Panther. If you copy "Exiled Force", then you have to pay the cost and Tribute "Phantom of Chaos". If you copy "Hand of the Six Samurai", then you can only activate the effect if you control another "Six Samurai" monster. If you copy "Fairy Archer", then you can only activate the effect once per turn. --Deus Ex Machina ✉ 11:36, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Wicked Gods/Double Coston[edit]

I personally see the piece of information about the Wicked Gods and Double Coston as common knowledge, however, if you want to, you can go to the Wicked Gods page and see that it says:

Double Coston, while being neither of these, counts as two tributes, which is excellent as it reduces the Gods back down to two tributers.

Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 16:39, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Also, do not take my removing of the information from the Six Attributes page as something I "love to do". I was merely removing information that didn't belong on that particular page. Its like I'm out to get you or something ridiculous like that. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 19:02, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

I see what you mean about Vassal. Also:

He/She does the same with mines so your not alone; he love deleting regardless of efforts spent on even though he has a good reason. I think we should delete some of his hard work, just kidding--Wasn't (talk • contribs) 06:00, December 21, 2010 (UTC).

Do not act as though I'm out to get you. I'm merely trying to make sure that the information put up is accurate and where it is supposed to be. The user who made the second "des frog otk" page was duplicating an already made page. Oh, and the tip you put on the Gravekeeper's Vassal page somehow bolded itself, just to make you aware. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 17:56, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Leave the text unbolded. And I understand what you said, but tips need to be as general as possible; the tip on Vassal's page can apply to any high attack monster, not just Armityle. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 01:45, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Because its my talk page, and I like to keep it as cleared as possible. What difference does it make? Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:23, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Why else would I remove content from a talk page? Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:28, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Six Attribute Template[edit]

Stop adding the word "romanticize" to the template. The word "romanized" is correct, as it essentially means translated. Romanticize, according to Merriam-Webster, means "Deal with or describe in an idealized or unrealistic fashion", which is not what the sentence is supposed to say. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:33, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

The word romanized needs the "d" to be past tense... Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:44, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Any language with roots in Latin is called a "romance" language, so the word romanize is correct. And here are the correct definitions.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/romanize

( often lowercase ) to render in the Latin alphabet, esp. a language traditionally written in a different system, as Chinese or Japanese.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/romanticize

to make romantic; invest with a romantic character: Many people romanticize the role of an editor.

Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:50, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

I don't want to start an argument when we don't have to. Just leave the text alone; the person who is apparently in charge of the template (Dinoguy) wants it to read "romanized", so lets just leave it that way, okay? Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:54, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Alrighty then... Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 19:02, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I'm not "in charge" of the template... though I may be somewhat aggressive in my reverts. ;) As for "romanized" versus "romanticized", I have always heard the former used to adjectivally describe text transliterated into the Latin alphabet, and this fits the pattern started with "romanization", which describes both the process itself and the resulting text (it's further supported by the fact that the Wikipedia article I linked to uses "romanized" itself). "Romanticize(d)" and "romanticization" may well be alternate ternimology with the same meanings in some dialect of English, but most English speakers will much more readily recognize and correctly interpret "romanize(d)"/"romanization". 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 19:57, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Talk page Error[edit]

Next time, if you wanna shove something like that in someone's Talk page, DON'T! Do that again, and I will report. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 21:46, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

If you need to record something like that, get note on the computer, it can hold anything here there. Or at least put it in your User Page or here, since those are your only legal permission to place the copied version. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 22:25, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Template[edit]

We can put it in, it just has to fit the parameters of the template i think. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 18:39, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Blue Rose Dragon Ruling[edit]

The reason why he deleted it, because it's not OCG/TCG card yet. Therefore it's only activate on Gallery/Appearance/Trivia. Sorry about that, buddy, but he's right. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 19:55, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, but for now, it's not exist as real card. It's only Anime-Version right now. If you find a card that exist in OCG/TCG, you can add whatever you like as you tried to do on Blue Rose Dragon. And next time, if you have new something to talk, please click "Leave Message". If you had same old topic, just click "Edit" next to one you were continuing to talk about. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 20:16, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Rulings pages are only used for real cards. Plus the rulings must be taken from an official source. See Project:Card Rulings for more information. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:57, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

The rulings would have to be taken from the official OCG rulings site. We don't use unofficial ones. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:07, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Blackwing Dragon[edit]

Ruling questions should be asked in Forum:Yu-Gi-Oh! Ruling Queries. The main talk pages are for discussing changes and improvements to the article itself, they're not meant for questions.

You will inflict 3000 because that is the ATK lost by that monster because of this effect. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:46, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Malefic Cyber End Dragon[edit]

It is not released until February 26th. That image is just a pic from a scan of a magazine. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 16:02, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Curiously, both the OCG and TCG versions of Malefic Cyber End will be released in February 26th. See the release dates there. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 16:42, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Shriek and Manjoume's pages. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 16:56, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

I said that Malefic Cyber End pic is a scan from a magazine, not the card itself. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 17:38, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Talk or Forum[edit]

Next time if you asking question, please visit Forum page (simple if you're read here, just scroll up to top of this page and click "Forum" just next to Edit/Leave Message button) and answer any question that match the list from there. I answered your question in Forum; Forum:Phantom of Chaos Question --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 18:10, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

They included various way to do that way and this way. Never let the cover judged. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 18:23, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Tip Page[edit]

Please cease your work on that page, or you will suffering some hard ways. I just warning you if you continued that way. You're just put it wrong way. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 02:13, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

I am well-aware of that. But you're just making other users not happy. So please cease doing that. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 02:21, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Still, you're pretty pissing him out. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 02:37, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

I am part of cat, I can sense his anger easily. So you should listen to him. "Someone never understand" is just what making emotion easily. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 02:46, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Instinct... act like real cat's instinct, I can sense the danger quicker, much faster than regular human catch up. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 02:51, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

He have "User" in his link, so type his name ain't work. And he's working his ass off on this site as we speak. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 02:55, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

I knew... but still, don't put up something that can make users disagreed with what you doing. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 04:17, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

It's because...[edit]

the phonetic of it's Japanese name. I don't know about Japanese speaking but, you stated the Kana that translates to Desert Gardna. See the Phonetic name, it's meant to be Desert Gardna. That second name from the Kanji is not needed. Dunno why but that's the reality. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 04:13, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Cybers[edit]

I recently created the "Cybers" page. Certain cards were classified as being related to "Cyber Dragons" but really shouldn't have been. They should classified under the "Cybers" archetype. "Cyber-Tech Alligator" is one of these cards. It and other cards such as "Cyber Phoenix" and "Cyber Archfiend" should be under that archetype, not related to "Cyber Dragons". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:42, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agreed with Cheese, as because "Cyber-Tech Alligator" only had red parts, which "Cyber Dragon" never have any in all forms. So far, Cyber Dragon/Twin Dragon/End Dragon and Overdragon are all silver/dark iron colored metals, while Cyber-Tech Alligator only have red-colored metals. So it's impossible to have him taken the parts from Cyber Dragon. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 19:51, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

From what I know about Cheese's knowledge on "Cyber Dragon" archetype, they are rather being included "Dragon" along with "Cyber", not just "Cybers". So that's why Cyber-Tech Alligator is not technology dragon and not named "Dragon". Therefore is the reason why that monster is put in "Cybers" theme instead. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 20:05, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

I would consider any card that actually has both "Cyber" and "Dragon" in its name to be a "Cyber Dragon". In addition to those, I would include "Cyber Valley" and "Cyber Larva", since they look to be draconic in origin. The rest should be classified under the "Cybers" archetype. My logic is that the manga card "Emergency Cyber" and the anime version of "Cybernetic Hidden Technology" specificaly support "Cybers", not "Cyber Dragons". I have not gotten around to doing this yet, as I plan to do so after this gets worked out. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:56, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think you may have misunderstood me. Non-Cyber Dragon cards should go under "Cyber", not "Cyber Dragons". This would include Cyber-Tech Alligator, Cybernetic Cyclopean and Armored Cybern, among others. Regardless, thank you for trying to help. If you'd like, I could give you a list of the cards that should go under "Cyber". If not I will get around to it myself soon enough. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:35, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I went ahead and added it Template:Cyber. Once "archetype1 = Cyber" is added to a card page, it should now show up on that template. Does that help? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:44, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, here we go. All of these cards should be the "Cyber" archetype. Any other card with "Cyber" in its name is also part of the archetype, but also part of another archetype, like "Cyber Girls" or "Cyber Dragons".

Also, a few quick notes on what support is. The "support" parameter is for individual cards. For example, "Bubble Blaster" is support for "Elemental Hero Bubbleman". "archsupport" supports archetypes. In this case, the cards would be "Cyber Roar", "Emergency Cyber" and "Born from Draconis". Some cards aren't necessarily either. "Thuban" and the like have unknown effects, so they shouldn't be classified under support or archsupport, they are simply part of the archetype without supporting it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:11, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

The manga cards should be in the archetype, not listed as support. Looks good otherwise. Thank you for your help. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:01, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

They have "Cyber" in their names, so they should be part of the archetype. "archrelated" should be used for cards that aren't part of an archetype, but have some other relation for it. For example, "Hero Medal" isn't Hero support, but it is still related to Heroes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:09, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Good, but you forgot to remove the "archrelated". It doesn't need to be in both, though it's not a big issue. I appreciate your help. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:25, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great. Thanks again. "Cyber" should include any card with "Cyber" in its name, even if its already part of "Cyber Dragons", "Cyber Ogres" or anything else. If you wish to add that to any of those pages, that would be great. In these case, you would use "archetype2 = Cyber", since "archetype1" is already being used. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:21, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Perfect. I appreciate your help. It's something I would have gotten to eventually, but there's plenty of other things I'd rather be editing. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:06, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I realize that, I was just letting you know what you've done so far it great. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:28, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure how that code works myself. Sorry. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:04, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Only ones missing that I can see are "Cyber Barrier Dragon" and "Cyber Laser Dragon". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:26, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Looks perfect. Thanks again for your help. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:44, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

TG Hyper Whatever[edit]

Falzar just stated that it isn't the only Nomi Synchro Monster so that trivia is not needed because it's not true. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 04:05, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Could you stop putting that Halberd Cannon is a Delta Accel Synchro? If you keep doing that I will call an admin to deal with this. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 05:26, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Wrong. Because we don't know what a Delta Accel Synchro is. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 05:34, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you don't know. Stop putting that or I'll call an admin. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 05:46, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Then stop talking and listen this: Bruno might explain what a Delta Accel Synchro is in next episode. Wait at least until Bruno says what it is. Until then don't put that on Halberd Cannon's trivia. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 05:54, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Card Trivia:Counter Cleaner‎‎[edit]

"In all of Yu-Gi-Oh" is necessary, redundant and obvious. GX, 5Ds, etc, are a Series found in Yu-Gi-Oh. There is still only 1 Yu-Gi-Oh.

The 'Edit summary' box is right next to the 'Save Page' button. It's kinda hard to miss.

By the way, there is also a 'Preview' button next to the 'Save Page' button. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:05, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Bruno[edit]

It was crammed because there were too many images in only a small portion of text. Monobook is a different skin that some users use. You can preview it here. On most screen resolutions, Monobook is wider than the default skin. On Monobook using a 1280px wide screen, the three images on the left at the bottom of the biography were pushing each other down the article and there was text overlapping the image on the right. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:20, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Malefic World[edit]

Don't you know there is something called scanner? With that you can put a page from a magazine on a scanner and the scanned image will appear on your computer. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 20:16, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Bolding[edit]

Are you aware that putting a semi-colon (;) at the beginning of a line, causes it to bold and if a colon is used later in the line, it is replaced with a line break and a tab? This is causing a lot of your messages to appear in bold and break at the colon in the timestamp part of your signature. I'm not sure if you were intentionally doing this or not. If it's unintentional, you can just use a colon, instead of a semi-colon to prevent this. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:07, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Which command doesn't work for you? -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:43, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. You were asking how do I leave an edit summary? Anyway looks like Cheesedude has beaten me to it and you've got the hang of it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 02:38, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re:wikia command code[edit]

No, I didn't. The only thing I typed was "+appearance". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:12, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

In the edit summary. In this actual article, I just added the chapter number to Template:Yu-Gi-Oh! GX manga appearances, which was already in. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:22, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Double Dots?[edit]

What's a matter with them? --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 20:55, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
- All you doing is to place them just right below the line like this. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 21:04, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
- It look fine on my side... maybe we have using different skin. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 21:15, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I use the latest "New Wikia Looking" instead, because it has latest action appear where Monobook do not. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 21:28, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

It look ok to me, if you're worry about it, please ask Admin, as I am not one. And they know the effect better than I do. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 21:46, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

D-Neos, he's best bet you can get some helps. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 02:05, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Card Trivia:Malefic World‎‎[edit]

Alright. I already saw it in your Summary. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 04:41, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

New images[edit]

I certainly appreciate the new EXVC pictures you are uploading, but could you please upload them as per our image policy? It is waste of effort to go after images that aren't properly named, when it is something that can be avoided altogether. Thanks! Toob (talk • contribs) 12:23, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Concerning "Shien"[edit]

I've noticed that there's some confusion about what makes a "Shien" card part of the Archetype proper. Since I've corrected a few mistakes about which cards are and aren't part of the Archetype, and you've undone some of those corrections, I figured I'd explain the matter.

Firstly, Archetypes have no real weight or meaning without some sort of effect, card, or rule binding them together. I trust you know this, but it's background for the point I plan to make.

If there were no cards specifically made to work with "Shien" cards, then there'd be no need for all the "Shien" cards to stick with the name "Shien" when being brought to the states. This is one reason why "Kagemusha of the Blue Flame" went with "Blue Flame" - because at the time of its release, it was the only "Shien" card in the game, and there were no effects meant to work for "Shien" cards alone.

However, now, there is one such effect - "Gateway of the Six"'s third Ignition Effect. Specifically, it works for "Shien" Effect Monsters, but being Effect or not doesn't matter to determining Archetypes; Archetypes look only for name pieces. Gateway thus established the "Shien" archetype as a standalone entity.

There are no other effects that work for the "Shien" bunch - meaning that Gateway is the only thing that decides what is and isn't in the Archetype.

For a while, before Gateway was brought to Japan, things were easy - if the card had "Shien" in its name, the US copy of the card said "it's in the Archetype."

This changed when Gateway was released to the OCG - as the OCG copy doesn't just ask for a simple "Shien". It asks for a specific combination of kanji and katakana-as-furigana, as shown in its card gallery. Some "Shien" cards fit this combo; others do not.

Archetypes cannot disagree between the OCG and TCG; this much is proven by the rulings making clear how "Hundred-Eyes Dragon" is not a "red-Eyes" monster, thereby making it incompatible with the effect of "Red-Eyes Wyvern". (You could argue that "red-Eyes" is not "Red-Eyes", and that changing an uppercase letter to lowercase removes a card from an archetype, but that argument is refuted by "Unifrog"'s status as a "Frog" monster.)

And, as usual, with the OCG ultimately controlling the way the game is governed, we can't sit back and say "the OCG copy of Gateway is wrong".

So, I write this to make clear: "Shien's Spy" and "Legendary Six Samurai - Shien" are no longer compatible with Gateway - and thus are not part of the "Shien" Archetype established by Gateway. I ask you to leave them out of the archetype when making your edits.76.250.142.21 (talk) 16:33, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Bad News[edit]

Holy crap. It looks like they listed every anime/manga only card as "Cyber Dragon" support. I'm going to contact Deltaneos and Dinoguy1000 and see if they can use their their bots to revert. It may be some template issue though. I checked a few of the pages, and "archsupport = Cyber Dragons" isn't showing up on them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:58, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

See here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:04, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

You can report further issues at Forum:MW 1.16 + SMW update#Update done. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:58, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Shien[edit]

Thanks for removing those cards from the archetype. I'll take a check 'round the pages and make sure everything's clear.

And thanks for calling me a good writer. I appreciate your support.

I mentioned the Hundred-Eyes dilemma because of how confusing matters of name can be. In the OCG, it's obvious that Hundred isn't a "Red-Eyes" monster; in the TCG, it isn't obvious. Likewise, in the OCG, it's obvious that "LSS-Shien" isn't a member of the "Shien" Archetype - while it won't be obvious for the TCG unless the TCG copy avoids using "Shien" in the name.--76.250.142.21 (talk) 16:33, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Card Trivia: Wild Heart[edit]

I really, really doubt the card name is a reference to "Elemental Hero Wildheart". Its original name was "Elemental Hero Wildman". I really think the article should be deleted unless there's a valid trivia point to make. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:19, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Update[edit]

The issue with the templates have been fixed, just so know. Also, I've been going over the kanji in all the cards the we did list in the "Cyber" archetype. Similar to the "Shien" issue above, some cards are going to have to be removed from it. I've listed them at here. I believe all of them can be listed as related to "Cyber". Most of them contain the word "Cyber" in their Japanese names, but spelled in a way other than サイバー. The ones that don't are clearly related as well, since they are part of the sub-archetypes. I really should have checked all of the names before we added the cards to the archetype. I apologize for the trouble. If wanted to notify you before I went and changed anything, so let me know. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:02, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Wikia in general had some sort of update recently, which updated the code that our templates were using. There were a few oversights that messed with the template. You can see more info here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:01, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Infernity[edit]

I don't think that "Cybernetic Cyclopean" qualifies as related to Infernity. However, you bring up a good point about "Hundred-Eyes Dragon". I suppose that it was listed as related since Kiryu/Kalin used it in 5D's. I really don't think that it qualifies as archrelated to Infernity either. However, there's no real, clear policy on what does and does not qualify. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:01, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Navigation Parts[edit]

I have noticed that you missed the {{Navigation}} part in each page that related to the card article. So I just want to remind you that if you're creating the following article that included the following; Gallery, Ruling, Errata, Tip, Trivia and Artwork; just be sure to type the link that I posted earlier at the top of the article. So it will automatic placing the navi box it required to have up there without worry about trying to relink to the card article itself. Sorry about my rant, but I hope it helps. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 03:38, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Most recently one, couple of us had to put in Navi link, Dark-Shimy put it in Stardust Synchron after you created it. Just be sure to add that link each time you made an article that linked to the Card article. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 03:54, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

*sigh* I mean you just post new article and it didn't have "Navigation" in it, so Dark-Shimy added it after you did. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 04:12, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Still, you should add it anyways, if you came access to it. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 04:31, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

That's Unofficial part, like {{Unofficial lore|French}} for explain, it's different. Navigation give you a link back to article itself if it's Trivia or different. --FredCat ^{Ta.P. • F.P. • J.R. • W.S. • Th.P. • S.C.} 04:41, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Stardust Synchron[edit]

That part of the effect is not needed on the trivia page. Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 04:28, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Re:???[edit]

Honestly, I forgot to remove it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:19, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Cyber Harpie Lady‎‎[edit]

It's not a Continuous Effect. I am certain of it.

Harpie Lady 1,2,3, and Exodia the Forbidden One have it wrong as well.

Continuous Effects are only applied while face-up on the field.

Conditions can apply in the deck, which is why you can't run 3 Cyber Harpie Lady and 3 Harpie Lady in the same deck.

The only reason why they are currently listed as Continuous is because we haven't actually fixed the Condition value and page.

It's better to leave it out, than to show an incorrect effect type. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:26, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Template Six Attributes[edit]

The way that it is set up now is to show the Synchrons and their corrosponding warrior. The page just seems like a list of every single synchron, regardless of connection to the attribute section with all of the different synchrons in there. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 20:23, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Again, see above ^^^. I changed that particular section for the Synchron Warrior and Synchron to match. The Template is supposed to be about cards that were built around the attributes. The stack of other synchrons seem to have no relation to the attributes, other than their having one. The Synchrons with a synchro monster do. There is no need to list out every single Synchron. There is a page called Synchrons for a reason. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 20:33, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

I reverted the edit to put in that warrior because it doesn't exist yet. The table includes OCG/TCG cards, not anime only ones.. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 20:40, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

When it comes out as a TCG or OCG card, then it can go in. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 20:45, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

The Fortune Fairies have a TCG and OCG counterpart. They aren't in there by themselves. Also, they are built around the attributes, unlike the warrior monster that Yusei played that happens to fit into a category on the table. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 20:49, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

It must just be my computer then. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 20:53, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing it, I could not for the life of me figure out what went missing. Jon Kovacs (talk • contribs) 21:13, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Delta and Limit Over Difference[edit]

Delta Accel Synchro only need exact 3 Synchro Monsters, while "Limit Over Accel Synchro" required 3 OR MORE Synchro Monsters, not exact. So that's one big difference, and please stop put it back in. --F r e d C a t 19:17, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Still, SQD is LIMIT OVER, while the one you tried to proving is just Delta just like Bruno called him that way. It's Anime and SQD is still Limit Over Accel, not Delta Accel. Other dragon has already taken that spot from SQD, it's Cosmic Blazar Dragon, not SQD. So cut it out and leave it alone. --F r e d C a t 19:41, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

It appeared other user declined your confirmed. I am sorry, so CUT IT OUT and leave it empty. --F r e d C a t 19:41, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Gem Knight Fusion[edit]

Hi there Wasn't, this is Shrev64. I took out the "Knight" category because it was a red link. I also do not know of that archetype. If you could specify the archetype, or even make that "Knight" Archetype page, it would help me to understand your thinking. Thanks! Shrev64(Talk • Contribs) 23:01, April 28, 2011 (UTC)Shrev64

I see what you mean. Could you clarify "Why did you write Gem Knight Fusion?"? Is there an alternate name for it or something? Shrev64(Talk • Contribs) 01:55, April 30, 2011 (UTC)Shrev64

Indeed, because the "Knight" archetype was an archetype listed in the "Gem Knight Fusion" card article. Basically, we've been talking about me taking off the "Knight" archetype off of GKF, and then it was put back on by you. Shrev64(Talk • Contribs) 01:05, May 1, 2011 (UTC)Shrev64

Snowman...[edit]

Honestly, is he really level 2? By the site I checked, it had level 4. --F r e d C a t 13:00, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

That's good you get the notice. So be careful, ok? --F r e d C a t 13:15, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

As peek, note it, etc. --F r e d C a t 13:19, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Something like that, yes. --F r e d C a t 13:27, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

I meant by level number mistake. --F r e d C a t 13:34, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Re:User_talk:Deltaneos[edit]

What? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:25, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

He meant by User Talk, Cheese. --F r e d C a t 00:29, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

I don't really have anything to add that I haven't already said at Talk:Number 17: Leviath Dragon. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:32, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Number 17[edit]

What I see is no consensus.

And randomly placing in "Leviase" when most people would never translate it that way, since it's not a word or a short form of a word.

What exactly did you want me to see? Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 00:35, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

I already saw that.

Honestly, I already saw a viable solution with having Leviath as "translated" and Revise as "alternate", since a post by Kevin Tewart was linked that said "Revise" is incorrect.

P.S. protip: Assume everyone on the internet is male unless they complain about which pronoun you use. Less typing that way. Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 17:21, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

I am now thinking same as Burnpsy... where did you get that that name from? If you find it from somewhere else, please give a proof of the link to that place you found. If you just random pull it out, then Leviath is the name that the translation should be post. --F r e d C a t 22:51, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Kevin Tewart is a Konami employee. He is the/one of the employee(s) who updates the official blog. He also goes on Pojo. A post he made on Pojo was linked on the talk page of Number 17. Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 01:38, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

ZEXAL only says "Revise" if you're watching a fansub. Otherwise, they say リバイス. And I don't know who decides the names, but he's a Konami employee and has no reason to lie. Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 04:03, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

And where are the proof you found it? It should be Konami's Official or collected Source (which like Shriek/Manjyome) site. If you created it out of nowhere, then it's NOT such to be there at first place. --F r e d C a t 09:28, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

All I'm saying is that a Konami employee was cited saying that "Revise" was wrong. But, in any case, I don't want to have a repeat. That argument already ran its course. Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 23:20, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

He did say Revise was wrong. But he's well known for twisting things like that. If he could get away with it, he'd tell use that "Black Magician" is also an improper translation. Regardless, he did say Leviath/Leviathan is right, so that's it. "Revise" can stay at "altname". I can't fathom how any of this is still an issue. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:49, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

RE: ? cards I listed all have "ス" in Jap "Kana". They're all pronounced as "S" not "TH"[edit]

I think you've contacted the wrong person...? I know next to nothing of Japanese. Shrev64(Talk • Contribs) 03:04, June 1, 2011 (UTC)Shrev64

Oh, lol. That's pretty entertaining. Thanks for choosing me as a one of the "certain people" :D Shrev64(Talk • Contribs) 04:09, June 1, 2011 (UTC)Shrev64

That's still not an evidence I need to know, as that has nothing to do with the official source. The only way to get it correct translation is from Konami, not by voice sound. --F r e d C a t 09:49, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Still, don't do that again, ok? It would consider spamming if you leave it running for whole damn comments. --F r e d C a t 20:01, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

The Japanese language doesn't have a "th" sound. When words get mangled to fit in the Japanese syllabary, "th" gets approximated with an "s". It maketh thenthe if you've ever heard a cartoon character with an exaggerated lithp.

Check out Kairyu-Shin if you don't believe me; the Japanese name is リバイアサン ("Ribaiasan"), which is meant to be read as "Leviathan". Or the Japanese Raigeki, サンダー・ボルト ("Sandaa Boruto"), which is supposed to be "Thunder Bolt" - unless you'd like to suggest that the lightning bolt depicted on the card is someone's power tool going haywire and it's supposed to be "Sander Bolt". And despite the clever way Konami's fudged デス as "Des" on a great many cards, written in katakana like that, it's supposed to be romanized as "Death". (So yes, Dark Ruler Ha Des is a pun.)

Is Number 17 "Leviath Dragon"? Strictly speaking, no; the kana doesn't support it. There's no "a" sound after the "i". But the context suggests it's at least closer to the intent than "Revise Dragon". Seriously: a Water-Attribute dragon monster? That goes all the way back to the original Biblical definition of "Leviathan". It even uses the same first three kana as the Japanese name of Levia-Dragon - Daedalus. "Levith Dragon" would probably be the most accurate romanization, although it obscures the proper pronunciation; "Leviath Dragon" is an acceptable compromise in that regard.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 10:33, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Re[edit]

I just archived it since it was getting too long. But yes, I got your message. I don't really have anything to add to that discussion right now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:16, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Su[edit]

Someone fielded that on the Number 17 talk page rather well. It depends on the context. He even used a real word to point it out (Thunder being Sanda).

Please don't jump to conclusions like that. Japanese is a very complex language, and you're rather clearly not very experienced with transliteration.

The argument is over. Burnpsy (talk • contribs) 20:32, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Now you have being proved wrong "Wasn't", so if you want to continue put those silly thing up, then I suggest you to go to Language School and learn Japanese translation before shove up the silly thing like this up the site's bums. --F r e d C a t 20:44, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Dammit, Wasn't, Burnpsy confirmed that you are SILLY with this whole craps. Just go to language school and learn more detail behind the Japanese's Language and it history. Now stop this silly thing with whole bold/italic/color redirect/h4 shit. --F r e d C a t 23:09, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

The japan thing you tried to prove is just silly, and it's Burnpsy. I am glad that he agreed with my opinion for at once. --F r e d C a t 01:05, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Again, Burnpsy is male, not female. I am still side with him, you are doing it wrong. So this is end of the damn discussion! Enough with your foolish! --F r e d C a t 10:35, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

I know, but who posted this damned topic? Burnpsy did, and he confirmed to be male in "~~Number 17's Discussion Article~~" "this article I suggest you to read it very careful. So this discussion is end and your act must end too. --F r e d C a t 19:28, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Now new user have joined my (our as in case of Burnpsy's) side that you're doing it wrong. So if you wish to continue it up, go argue with Japan Translation yourself. --F r e d C a t 10:35, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

"This card" vs. "<Card Name Here>"[edit]

The reason why I put "This card..." in the place of "<Card Name Here>" is because it's already referring to the know card when it's speak of itself in the article with it name in Navigation box. Also I don't want to see more over freak link included those names - it only waste of the time and character spaces if that happened. So that's why I reduced those "<Card Name Here>" into "This card..." instead. --F r e d C a t 22:50, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

Conditions[edit]

There are True Conditions which can't be negated by Skill Drain, and Null Effect Conditions which can be negated by Skill Drain. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

That page is not really that accurate.

We all know that Continuous Effects do not apply while the card is face-down right?

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:34, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

While "Skill Drain" is active you cannot Tribute a face-up "Kaiser Sea Horse" to Tribute Summon a Level 7 or higher LIGHT monster. However, you can Tribute a face-down "Kaiser Sea Horse".

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:42, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

And also, ATEMVEGETA said that in the OCG, they are ruled to be Conditions. And since there are no rulings in the TCG which say they are not conditions, they are Conditions in the TCG as well.

and in case you're wondering, the ones like Arcana Force VI - The Lovers are not Conditions because the ●Heads:/●Tails: bit makes it Continuous (and it cannot be applied while face-down.)

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 14:06, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Number 83: Galaxy Queen‎‎[edit]

The part about what name to use. (Naming OCG/TCG card images) -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:03, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

If you're using Special:Upload to upload it, then you change the "Destination filename". -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:16, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect Changes[edit]

Do not make irrelevant or misinformed changes to card pages. Junk Synchron part of Warriors archetype? Berserk Gorilla as Cloudians archtype? Quit typing this crap, or I will make you stop.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 19:07, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Grey text[edit]

Where are the "Number" monsters shown to have the "This card can only be destroyed by battle with another "Number" monster" effect in grey? The anime image of Utopia shows all of the text in black (albeit not in Japanese), unlike the Dark Synchro Monsters, whose first effect line actually is grey. -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:31, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

I think 002517 was the user who started it.

What about "Watt King Cobra"? -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:33, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

It's part of Konami's new text patterns. Here's the article on their site. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:43, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

That edit you linked me to is someone blanking a page, not colouring text grey. Plus it's dated later than 002517 adding grey text here. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:53, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

You asked D-Neos same way I asked to Dino, and I gave Dino that same name earlier than you did. --F r e d C a t 17:27, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

All are in this article. --F r e d C a t 17:32, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I am aware of that, but I am give Dino an answer same way you gave to D-Neos - 002517 placed the "Grey text" in each "Number" Monsters. You're not first one. --F r e d C a t 22:52, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I am not say that you edited it, I just say that you asked a question about grey text. It was 002517 that edited them. --F r e d C a t 15:12, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Well *coughing* I meant that I gave an answer to Dino same way you gave an answer to D-Neos. Sorry for whole confusedness. --F r e d C a t 20:12, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Question[edit]

Actually.... I'm not sure, but the card "Revival Knight" (which makes this an archetype) does not exist in Bandai; and Bandai cards (I think), do not have support cards anyways. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 14:33, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember seeing any Bandai cards in archetypes before... maybe we should check with Dinoguy? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 14:37, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Warriors[edit]

It's different from 'Knight'. Can you wait for Deltaneos/Dinoguy's reply at Forum:Archetype definition (again) before continuing? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:55, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Toy Magician[edit]

Thank you for drawing my attention, because of your works - you got two articles clean up by me. :-) Hope to get your lucky hooking. --F r e d C a t 12:15, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Your edit make it popping at top of recent action. That therefore drew my attention and got me thinking about "The Wicked Worm Beast" articles fixing. It Errata Article was shitty messy so I updated it and shoved SDK (Kaiba's) image into it Gallery article. The reason why I found Toy Magician and Wicked Worm Beast similar is because of their effect that exist before the archetype - Wind-Up and Spirits, respective. --F r e d C a t 12:25, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Two articles are what I just said above, and luck hook is what I mean by you pick good article to edit that I can take a note for similar articles to it. --F r e d C a t 12:26, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Really, all good articles are covered already. So that's how I knew which is bad. --F r e d C a t 12:49, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I knew, that is the way how I knew which one is which easily. --F r e d C a t 12:56, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Forgot that I am part Cat? I can easily tell the storm from distance. --F r e d C a t 13:01, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Apologize about that, haha... I just moved 20 topics into Archive 12, so that's not your fault for it. --F r e d C a t 13:05, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

So my name is "Fred the Catman"? Nah, I don't accept "Catman", so just Fred Cat or FredCat would do it. --F r e d C a t 13:06, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Do I have weapon required for the name, as well as dress up like one? --F r e d C a t 13:10, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I am aware of that, but I tell ya, do I have costume like that? If I am busy kick bad guy's ass, then why am I doing here, respond the shit to you? --F r e d C a t 13:16, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

At first, you said that Catwoman is my sister and now you're saying that she's my wife? Wtf? Are you into incest? And for "respond the shit to you" - I would never have time to talk and clean up the Wikia when I am busy being a Super-Hero. --F r e d C a t 13:24, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Bloody Vs. Crimson[edit]

There is official name in the image, take a look at this: Blood Mefist. --F r e d C a t 17:23, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Chaos Number 39 Trivia[edit]

Let's start this out with an accusation. You gave no justification for your revert of my edit (this is UltimateKuriboh btw, not signed in). I, on the other hand, did. Plus, you had to go to the history page, and obviously saw my reason in deleting your trivia. But you decided to arrogantly revert my edit with no evidence. Ironically, I sound arrogant right now, but I am willing to concede if you prove your point. Plz post evidence on my talk page that this Xyz Monster is a Nomi. User:UltimateKuriboh --165.123.231.45 (talk) 20:39, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

1337 5h17![edit]

D0n'7 m4k3 m3 5p34k l1k3 7h15!

Just learn the leet language, t3h is leet for the. And Volcanic Eruption is NOT relate with the f-ing park, it is suicide and just broke the field to holy hell. it's better to leave it alone or I will report you to Admin if you continue this harassment up! Do you understand me? --F r e d C a t 01:43, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

I never said anything about a park. and "Volcanic Eruption" artwork shows the destruction of "Jurassic World" and a Dino dying; The volcano erupted and destroyed everything in "Jurassic World". i never herd of leet language b4. What's "harassment up"?--Wasn't (talk • contribs) 01:59, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

I am meaning by park, that and "Volcanic Eruption" are not related, as Jurassic help dino, while Eruption killing them. Remember the oppose which mean that Eruption cannot be part of the archrelate. --F r e d C a t 02:05, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

I got what you mean but what's What's "harassment up"?--Wasn't (talk • contribs) 02:11, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

As shoving the same part back in, it's just annoy me and Coffeedude out. If you don't want to 'harassment up' us up, then stop doing it. And just respond here for crying out loudly! --F r e d C a t 02:13, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Slifer's Legal Reprint[edit]

Thank you for bring this to Wikia's attention. I helped the old article to cover the one you tried to post in. It can be seen in Slifer the Sky Dragon instead. But yea, lacked of image required for it. --F r e d C a t 14:41, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, two different Slifer "cards". One for Illegal (which not allowed, and has no effect lore) while second is legal (which is permission, while show an effect lore). Same thing approve with "The Winged Dragon of Ra" and "Obelisk the Tormentor". --F r e d C a t 16:34, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Of course, the old version (Illegal) has "Original" in it topic... Slifer the Sky Dragon (Original) --F r e d C a t 22:51, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, that is base on Anime version (Illegal is what they are looking at), so it's not really need to add those craps. If you want them to be including, go talk with D-Neos or Cheesey --F r e d C a t 17:08, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

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