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| − | The [[Yu-Gi-Oh!:Image Policy|Image Policy]] currently has rather lengthy guidelines on choosing a name for the image being uploaded, based on whether the card has been released in the TCG. However, surely it would be simpler to just ask people to mirror the spelling used by the card's article? For reference, the TCG/OCG section of the current guideline reads:
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| − | <blockquote>'''CardName''' is the official English Card Name of the card (if it exists in the English TCG) OR, the commonly-accepted English translation of the card's name from Japanese (if it does NOT exist in the English TCG). If you're dealing with Japanese OCG-only cards, a good source of accepted English name translations are the numerous Yu-Gi-Oh! video games. If at all possible, try to get the name from the NEWEST of these (i.e., try WC6 first, then NTR, then WC5, and so on). <small>(emphasis in original)</small></blockquote>
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| − | A suggested version would read approximately as follows:
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| − | <blockquote>'''CardName''' should reflect the name of the card's article. <small>(examples may or may not follow)</small></blockquote>
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| − | This change would also be applicable to the Anime/Manga section. Thoughts?
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| − | On a related note, the guideline currently has no instructions specifically for card images from video games, even though there are a large number of such images currently on the wiki. What is the preferred naming method for such images? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千？！</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 22:17, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Just realized, there are also no guidelines for Bandai/DDM/etc. images. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千？！</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 22:18, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::You're only asking if we should rephrase the image policy page, rather than change the policy itself?
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| − | ::Yeah, instructing someone to figure out what card name to use is redundant when its already been done for the card's article.
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| − | ::Video game images are '''CardNameVG-ID-LN'''.file extension.
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| − | ::*'''CardName''' is the card's English name that we're using or name from the English language version of the video game, if it's different.
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| − | ::*'''VG''' is as is.
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| − | ::*'''ID''' is an abbreviation of the video game. Usually taken from the set id for its promotional cards. e.g. FMR for [[Yu-Gi-Oh! Forbidden Memories]]. If it doesn't have promotional cards, just use the games initials.
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| − | ::*'''LN''' the language. Same as with other images.
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| − | ::*'''-2''', '''-3''' etc. can be stuck on at the end for cards with multiple artworks in the same game.
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| − | ::I have no objection to adding Bandai, DDM etc. If anyone needs to know they're as follows:
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| − | ::*Bandai is '''CardNameBAN#-LN-R'''. BAN# is BAN1 for a regular card and BAN2 for a "[[Set Card Galleries:Shields (Bandai)|shield]]". (Could cause conflict if Konami ever release OCG sets with BAN1 and BAN2 as their ids.)
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| − | ::*DDM is '''CardNameSet-DDM-LN''' for a card. '''CardName-DDM-FIGURE''' for a figure.
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| − | ::*[[Capsule Monsters Game]] is the same as DDM, but with a CM instead of a DDM.
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| − | ::-- [[User:Deltaneos|Deltaneos]] ([[User talk:Deltaneos|talk]]) 11:55, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :::Correct, I'm only asking about rewording and clarifying the current policy. You're fine with my explicitly requested change, then, right? I may end up completely rewriting it so that stuff is better segmented and explained, but if I do, I'll post the new version and ask opinions before replacing the current version. For the most part, this is a result of me working on {{tl|OCG-TCG card image}}, a template for tagging card images that should help people figure out what the image's name *should* be (unfortunately, I'm not aware of any way to incorporate it into the upload form so that the image name is auto-generated...). --{{User|Dinoguy1000}} as [[Special:Contributions/67.58.229.153|67.58.229.153]] 19:01, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | == Characters to remove ==
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| − | The policy currently says to remove the following characters from card names when naming images: periods (.), question marks (?), number signs (#), quotes ("), and slashes (/\). Furthermore, it says that the following characters should be included: commas (,), dashes/hyphens (-), ampersands (&), exclamation marks (!), and percent signs (%). I am assuming that en dashes, em dashes, etc. are included with the dashes/hyphens, since they are not explicitly stated - this should be clarified.
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| − | Working on {{tl|OCG-TCG card image}}, I ran across a problem involving dashes in card names - namely, the template currently uses dashes to separate the image's name into different parts, which can then be individually compared with provided information to ensure the image has the correct name. However, any card with a dash in its name will disrupt this, and there is no simple way to automatically fix this (or rather, there is no way I can think of that wouldn't require huge amounts of wikicode), because the last section of a card image's name (-Misc) is optional. The easiest method to fix this, then, would be to revise the policy so that dashes are discouraged, and existing cases can be handled over time as the template is deployed.
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| − | I would also ask that ampersands and percent signs be discouraged for similar technical reasons - both of these have special meanings in URLs and, while they generally won't cause problems, their behavior (especially when being manipulated by templates) can be unpredictable and the question mark has always been discouraged for much the same reason.
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| − | There are also several characters which have special meaning in wikimarkup and so cannot be used in page or file names and, while they are unlikely to ever appear in a card's name, should probably still be actively discouraged: square and curly braces ([]{}), vertical pipes (|), greater/less than signs (<>), and asterisks (*).
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| − | Parenthesis need to be considered separately, as they have no technical restrictions on their use, but may be undesirable in image names for other reasons.
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| − | Fullwidth/halfwidth characters should not be used, in favor of their ASCII equivalents, and the solidus (／) should probably be grouped with the slashes.
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| − | This is quite a bit, but I figured it would be easier to discuss it all together rather than having a bunch of different discussions on each point. Thoughts? --{{User|Dinoguy1000}} as [[Special:Contributions/72.251.164.58|72.251.164.58]] 04:43, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | : *nudge* (actually forgot I posted this) <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千？！</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 03:29, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::"%" isn't used in any current card image filenames, as far as I know. I doubt anyone has a problem with us not using it.
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| − | ::The only card images I can think of that use "&" are ones of "[[Master & Expert]]", "[[Ray & Temperature]]" and "[[Shield & Sword]]". I've no problem changing them in favour of helping templates. What do you suggest we do instead? Use "and", drop it entirely or do something else?
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| − | ::Since the next lot are impossible, I guess it doesn't matter if we include them or not, but we already have "#" and "/". We should include all the impossibles or none. I'd say mention them all. (Think you meant "asterisks", where you said "ampersands".)
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| − | ::"(" and ")", I agree. Exclude.
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| − | ::Full and halfwidth characters aren't used anyway. They're always changed to ASCII in English names,so images always use the ASCII versions. You have seen "／" used in pagenames before. That was a horrible hack we used to prevent pages like "[[Red Dragon Archfiend/Assault Mode]]" being subpages. Hopefully it's all behind us.
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| − | ::Okay, now the big one, dashes. If you make improvements by excluding them, I don't really have objections. How long do you think it would take to rename and fix links pointing to images of cards with "-" in their filenames?
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| − | ::Another problem you might face is the edition (1E, UE, LE, DT) for Japanese cards. Since Japanese cards originally only had Unlimited Edition versions, that part wasn't used in their filenames. When Duel Terminal Edition came along, people started adding -DT to Japanese images. So in short, currently Japanese images only use the edition part of the filename if they are Duel Terminal Edition. Since they're the last part of the filename unless -Misc is used, that might not be a problem. So do you think this needs changing? -- [[User:Deltaneos|Deltaneos]] ([[User talk:Deltaneos|talk]]) 21:50, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::: I'm suggesting to simply drop the ampersand, it would be easier on editors not having to remember to replace it with something, and would be simpler to code outright removal versus replacement.
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| − | ::: You're right on my asterisk/ampersand mixup, thanks for catching that.
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| − | ::: I wasn't actually suggesting to straight-up remove parenthesis, merely pointing out that they perhaps needed to be discussed, but I have no problem with removing them regardless.
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| − | ::: Since I intend to do most of the work in deploying {{tl|OCG-TCG card image}}, I'll be updating links to point to the new files as I go along - I've been intending to do the same thing for image redirects, since they show up as wanted/unused files when they are only linked via a redirect.
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| − | ::: Presence or absence of the edition tag on Japanese cards shouldn't be any problem, even combined with the -Misc tag, because I'll be checking the value of these tags in the template anyways.
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| − | ::: Some other characters that should be considered (mostly for thoroughness):
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| − | :::* ~ (tilde) - not a problem by itself, but 3, 4, and 5 concurrent tildes have special meanings in markup (though I don't think we'll ever see a card name that would normalize to having that)
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| − | :::* ` and ' (accent and apostrophe) - since we're already specifying that quotation marks be excluded, these should probably be specified as well
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| − | :::* @ (at sign), $ (dollar sign), ^ (caret) - no technical restrictions, but also no use in card names that I'm aware of
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| − | :::* _ (underscore) - technically can't be used, since MediaWiki canonicalizes underscores to spaces in page titles
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| − | :::* : (colon) and ; (semicolon) - more technical restriction characters, and can do weird things if not handled properly in wikimarkup
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| − | :::* accented characters, ligatures, etc. (ÁÀÄÂĀǢÆ etc.) - no reason to exclude, and most of them also very rare in card titles; a vanishingly small number get canonicalized by the MediaWiki software
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| − | :::* …°≈≠±×÷←→●•·§∞¡「」【】„“ (CharInsert characters) - should be excluded; AFAIK none of them are ever used in English card names
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| − | ::: So, running tally (no particular order):
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| − | :::: Disallowed: %#/\()／[]{}|<>*.?"`'_…°≈≠±×÷←→●•·§∞¡「」【】„“ (whitespace) (fullwidth characters)
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| − | :::: Allowed: A-Za-z0-9,!
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| − | :::: Pending discussion: -–—－− (dashes) ~ @$^ :; ÁÀÄÂĀǢÆ
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| − | ::: <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千？！</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 01:25, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Still no objections here to any of the suggested changes. -- [[User:Deltaneos|Deltaneos]] ([[User talk:Deltaneos|talk]]) 13:39, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I've made the necessary change to [[Yu-Gi-Oh!:Image Policy]], have gotten {{tl|OCG-TCG card image}} to a deployable (but not entirely finished) state, and have made a test deployment to [[:File:RingofMagnetismDB2-EN-R-UE.jpg]]. It's looking pretty good IMHO; what do you think? =) <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千？！</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|Talk⇒Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 19:35, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Looks good to me. -- [[User:Deltaneos|Deltaneos]] ([[User talk:Deltaneos|talk]]) 16:44, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
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