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! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" {{!}} | Key:{{!}}-{{!}}<center> > </center>{{!}} Can potentially cripple the deck<br>{{!}}-{{!}}<center><nowiki> + </nowiki></center>{{!}} Can cripple, but that deck contains cards (or a strategy) to save themself <br>{{!}}-{{!}}<center><nowiki> - </nowiki></center>{{!}} Can work against<br>|} {| {| class="wikitable"|-! style="font-size: 150%;" colspan=2 class="mainheader" |[[Metagame|List of cards to side in to cripple Meta decks]]|-! style="font-size: 110%;" align="center" |Card Name! style="font-size: 110%;" align="center" |Reason|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Infernity]]|-| > [[Consecrated Light]]| rowspan="2" | Restricts basically every monster in this deck|-| > [[Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror]]|-| > [[Royal Oppression]]| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons|-| > [[Archlord Kristya]]|-| > [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]]| The level 4 beatstick in this deck is 1800 ATK, it can't beat 1900 ATK. Stops Infernity Archfiend search. Can negate 1 Special Summon.|-| > [[Macro Cosmos]]| rowspan="3" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard|-| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]|-| > [[Necrovalley]]|-| > [[King Tiger Wanghu]] | Stops almost all their monsters. Works even better when used with [[Burden of the Mighty]], that way, it can even stop Archfiend and Grepher|-| - [[Prohibition]]| Call [[Infernity Launcher|Launcher]] or [[Infernity Archfiend|Archfiend]] to hinder their general tactics|-| - [[Swallow Flip]]| Stops [[Infernity Archfiend]]|-| - [[Discord]]| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on Synchro Summons to OTK or gain field advantage|-| - [[Grave of the Super Ancient Organism]]|-| - [[Dark Bribe]]| Negate's an S/T Effect, also makes them Draw 1 card so they won't be Handless|-| - [[Dust Tornado]]| "Destroy [[Infernity Launcher|Launcher]] as soon as it's activated, make your opponent a very sad person."|-| - [[Effect Veiler]]| Stops the [[Infernity Archfiend|Archfiend]]-[[Infernity Launcher|Launcher]] Loop|-| - [[Karma Cut]]| rowspan="3" | Removes copies of cards to hinder their Synchro Summon ability|-| - [[D.D. Crow]]|-| - [[Big Burn]]|-| - [[Summon Limit]]| Greatly hinders their general tactics|-| - [[Book of Eclipse]]| Flips monsters face-down so they can't Synchro Summon yet, at End Phase it makes them Draw to make them not Handless|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Blackwing]]|-| + [[Consecrated Light]]| Restricts basically every monster in this deck, however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Book of Moon]], [[Smashing Ground]], [[Fissure]], [[Lightning Vortex]], [[Icarus Attack]], etc.|-| + [[Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror]]| Restricts basically every monster in this deck, however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Icarus Attack]], or they can just play by Swarm and Synchro without using Effects. It also doesn't stop [[Kalut]]|-| - [[Trap Hole]]| Screws with their [[Black Whirlwind]] xD|-| - [[Blackwing - Sirocco the Dawn]]| Note how you can use the Opponent's Blackwings to power up your own Sirroco|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Gladiator Beasts]]|-| > [[Archlord Kristya]]| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons|-| > [[Royal Oppression]]|-| + [[Corridor of Agony]]| It may seem like it would Cripple the deck, however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Dust Tornado]]. It also doesn't stop the Extra Deck monsters like [[Gyzarus]]|-| + [[Skill Drain]]| It may seem like it would Cripple the deck, however it can be bypassed by the [[Book of Moon]] combo|-| - [[Swallow Flip]]| Stops almost every Monster in this deck|-| - [[Mirror of Oaths]]| It doesn't negate the Effect, but it does destroy the monster, and you draw 1 card so you don't lose card advantage.|-| - [[Legendary Jujitsu Master]]| Stops the GB from tagging out. Top decks the monster.|-| - [[D.D. Warrior Lady]]| When attacked, she removes the monster that attacked. GBs generally run 1 [[Equeste]], [[Bestiari]], etc. and without that 1 monster, the deck would be hindered to a certain extent|-| - [[Prohibition]]| Call [[Bestiari]] and they won't be able to destroy S/T cards at all since it stops both [[Bestiari]] and [[Gyzarus]], however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Dust Tornado]]|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Flamvell]] [[Cat Synchro]]|-| > [[Archlord Kristya]]| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons|-| > [[Macro Cosmos]]| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard|-| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]|-| > [[Rivalry of Warlords]]| This deck uses a Variety of Types, so this card would hinder the deck|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[X-Saber]]|-| > [[Archlord Kristya]]| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons|-| > [[Royal Oppression]]| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons|-| + [[Ancient Forest]]| This deck focuses on Battle, however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Saber Slash]]|-| + [[Macro Cosmos]]| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Saber Slash]]|-| + [[Dimensional Fissure]]|-| + [[Brain Golem]]| This deck focuses heavily on their Effects, however [[Honest]] can be used to destroy this card easily|-| - [[Prohibition]]| Call [[XX-Saber Faultroll]] to hinders their general tactics|-| - [[Gottoms' Emergency Call]]| Note how you can Special Summon from either player's Graveyard.|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Lightsworn]]|-| > [[Royal Oppression]]| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons|-| > [[Macro Cosmos]]| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard|-| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]|-| > [[Light-Imprisoning Mirror]]| Restricts basically every monster in this deck, however it doesn't stop [[Honest]]'s main effect|-| - [[D.D. Crow]]| rowspan="4" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard|-| - [[Big Burn]]|-| - [[Soul Release]]|-| - [[Crevice Into the Different Dimension]]|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Plants]]|-| > [[Archlord Kristya]]| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons|-| > [[Macro Cosmos]]| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard|-| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]|-| > [[Zombie World]]| Restricts basically every monster in this deck, it also prevents the use of cards S/T like [[Wall of Thorns]], [[Pollinosis]], etc.|-| - [[Crevice Into the Different Dimension]]| rowspan="4" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, especially on whichever plant the deck is based upon. Common ones include [[Gigaplant]], [[Dandylion]], [[Lonefire Blossom]]|-| - [[Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer]]|-| - [[D.D. Crow]]|-| - [[Big Burn]]|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Plants#Quickdraw Plants|Quickdraw Plants]]|-| > [[Archlord Kristya]]| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons|-| > [[King Tiger Wanghu]]| This deck focuses on Summoning lots of weaklings and using them to Synchro Summon for a 'Big Guy'. This card prevents that from happening. Kills cards like [[Quickdraw Synchron]], [[Dandylion]] & [[Fluff Token]]s, [[Lonefire Blossom]]|-| > [[Royal Oppression]]| Unlink the regular Plant deck. This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons that don't occur in the Damage Step|-| > [[Macro Cosmos]]| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard
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| - [[Crevice Into the Different Dimension]]| rowspan="4" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard, especially on whichever plant the deck is based upon. Common ones include [[Gigaplant]], [[Dandylion]], [[Lonefire Blossom]]|-| - [[Chain Disappearance]]|-| - [[Karma Cut]]|-| - [[Big Burn]]|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Gadgets]]|-| > [[Skill Drain]]| This deck relies on their Effect when being Summoned to gain card advantage. Stops the Gadgets and [[Machina Gearframe]] from doing this|-| + [[King Tiger Wanghu]]| The monsters in this deck as mostly weak Gadgets. This card kills all Gadgets, however can be destroyed by cards like [[Smashing Ground]], [[Fissure]], etc.|-| + [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]]| This deck relies on adding cards to their and from the Deck to gain card advantage, however can be destroyed by cards like [[Smashing Ground]], [[Fissure]], etc.|-| - [[Deck Devastation Virus]]| Kills all Gadgets for a while|-| - [[System Down]]| Removes them from play all their monsters. It does not Destroy.|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Monarchs]]|-| > [[By Order of the Emperor]]| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on their Effects|-| > [[Skill Drain]]|-| > [[Zombie World]]| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on Tribute Summons|-| > [[Mask of Restrict]]|-| - [[Pulling the Rug]]| Negates the effect and Destroys the monster|-| - [[Intercept]]| Unlike Pulling the Rug, it doesn't Negate the effect, but you gain the monster/the Opponent loses a relatively strong monster|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Zombies]]|-| > [[Archlord Kristya]]| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons|-| > [[Macro Cosmos]]| rowspan="2" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard|-| > [[Dimensional Fissure]]|-| + [[Consecrated Light]]| Restricts quite a few monsters in this deck, however there are just as many EARTH monsters in this deck|-| - [[Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer]]| rowspan="3" | This deck focuses heavily on the Graveyard|-| - [[D.D. Crow]]|-| - [[Big Burn]]|-| - [[Book of Life]]| If [[Zombie World]] is in play, you can use this card to revive a monster, then remove an important monster from the Opponent's Graveyard.|-! style="font-size: 150% " colspan=2 class="mainheader" |[[Theme Deck|List of cards to side in to cripple Common Themed decks]]<br>|-! style="font-size: 110% " align="center" |Card Name! style="font-size: 110%Can work against. " align="center" |Reason|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Disaster Dragon]] or [[Hopeless Dragon]]|-| > [[Zombie World]]| This deck focuses heavily on having Dragon Type monsters. Stops cards like [[Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon]] and [[Stamping Destruction]]|-| + [[Grave of the Super Ancient Organism]]| Many of the monsters in this deck are high level monsters and are Special Summoned by [[Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon]], however it can be bypassed by cards like [[Stamping Destruction]]|-| - [[Macro Cosmos]]| rowspan="2" | This deck can focus on the Graveyard|-| - [[Dimensional Fissure]]|-| - [[Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer]]|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Frog]]s|-| > [[King Tiger Wanghu]] | Assuming it's the Synchro build, not the Solid/Wetlands build|-| > [[Royal Oppression]]| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons|-| > [[Skill Drain]]| This deck focuses heavily on Effects|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Six Samurai]]|-| > [[Gozen Match]]| This deck uses all Attributes, so this card would greatly hinder the deck|-| - [[Warrior Elimination]]| No cost and Destroys all your Opponent's monsters|-! colspan=2 class="mainheader lightheader" |[[Fish Synchro OTK Deck|Fish Synchro OTK]]|-| > [[Royal Oppression]]| This deck focuses heavily on Special Summons|-| - [[Eternal Drought]] (OCG Only)| No cost and Destroys all your Opponent's monsters
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* '''This is based on the General/Basic builds of each deck.'''
* '''Also taking into account of the cards run in those decks''' (e.g. Gadgets run lots of [[Fissure]]s and [[Smashing Ground]]s, so Thunder King Rai-Oh will not Cripple the deck) (e.g. Glads have tricks such as the Book of Moon trick against Skill Drain). However, this does not take into account of the opponent's Side Decks (e.g. ignores 3 [[Dust Tornado]]s in their Side Deck).
* '''Ignoring [[Staple]]s as they are not [[Side Deck]] material.'''
* If anyone would like to add (e.g. cards or top tier decks) or change things (e.g. move cards from cripple to works against) please post the ideas below. * {{User:Falzar_FZ/Sig}} 12:31, April 27, 2010 (UTC) == New Decktype == Maybe we should add a new deck to the decklist: the one that revolves around [[Reborn Tengu]]. A good number of Tengu decks made it to the Top 32 in the previous Orlando tournament. Maybe a couple of cards that can be sided-in against them are [[Archlord Kristya]] and [[Royal Oppression]], since Tengu decks seem to rely a lot on Special Summoning. [[User:Moja619|Moja619]] ([[User talk:Moja619|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Moja619|contribs]]) 17:39, June 7, 2011 (UTC) : [[Vanity's Fiend]] used in Frog decks.: [[Debunk]]: and you ''could'' abuse the fact that [[Reborn Tengu]] is a [[Mandatory]] Trigger. Would be nice if there was some combo that lets you attack all of them continuously and OTK them.... or vice versa, like a Strong monster + [[Battle Mania]]. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 02:04, June 8, 2011 (UTC) can i ask what cards is best to side against twilight deck ? if i'm not wrong i has not see on the the list [[User:Gemini 93|Gemini 93]] ([[User talk:Gemini 93|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gemini 93|contribs]]) 02:39, June 9, 2011 (UTC) : First two that come to mind are [[Chaos Trap Hole]], [[Koa'ki Meiru Drago]] (kinda);: other anti Special Summoned cards, other anti Lightsworn cards (depending on the type of Twilight deck). <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[Usertalk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 02:37, June 10, 2011 (UTC) : Well if you are running a simple deck, i would say light and shadow imprisonment Mirror, especially when the foe is using a lightsworn dragon --[[User:MSBlinga|MSBlinga]] ([[User talk:MSBlinga|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/MSBlinga|contribs]] ) 21:28, March 19, 2015 (UTC) :Prohibition against Monarchs and Frogs = Win.{{User:BobaFett2/sig2}} :: What is the best monster to declare?:: added Chain Disappearance against Formula Synchron spammers:: Rivalry of Warlords against Monarchs (before, if you only control 1 monster, you can Tribute 1 Type for another Type in a Tribute Summon; now you cannot.):: Added section on Dark World.:: <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 11:57, July 11, 2011 (UTC) How come [[Reborn Tengu|Tengu]] [[Synchro Summon|Synchro]] still doesn't appear in the Deck list above? It's pretty much dominating the major tournaments since Tengu's release [[User:Moja619|Moja619]] ([[User talk:Moja619|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Moja619|contribs]]) 21:06, July 11, 2011 (UTC) : It's being discussed, (under the heading "New Decktype"; just a few lines above). : I'm not sure if it's worth starting a new section for them, or add it to the plants section. : Any suggestions on the cards apart from the ones in the plants section and the 2 mentioned above? <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 01:57, July 12, 2011 (UTC) Yeah, i see your point. plant synchro is quite similar to Tengu synchro outside of tengu itself. i don't know if the negation effects of cards like [[Solemn Warning]], [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]] and [[Black Horn of Heaven]] used on a [[Special Summon|Special Summoned]] tengu will prevent it from using its effect. [[User:Moja619|Moja619]] ([[User talk:Moja619|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Moja619|contribs]]) 02:3103, July 13, 2011 (UTC) : [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]]/[[Black Horn of Heaven]] (Summon negation) cards don't work against Special Summons that occur during resolution of an effect. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 02:44, July 13, 2011 (UTC) == Modern Built == :Gladiator Beasts: [[Solemn Warning]]:Gladiator Beasts: [[Dimensional Prison]]:Warning is definitely a Main Deck card.:Dragons:[[Different Dimension Ground]] won't do anything if chained to [[Trade-In]] since discarding a monster is a [[cost]]. [[Special:Contributions/207.233.120.2|207.233.120.2]] ([[User talk:207.233.120.2|talk]]) 21:18, August 4, 2011 (UTC) Most people maindeck both already.{{User:BobaFett2/sig2}} : Solemn Warning's a [[Staple]], Dimensional Prison is already listed there.: Was intended to prevent Trade-In from being activated that turn by activating it before hand, like in the Standby Phase, but I guess there's little point in that and you don't know when the opponent would have it, removed Trade-In from the list. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 01:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC)::I think they're already [[Staples]], and are thus not [[Side Deck]] Material. [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 20:32, August 12, 2011 (UTC) ==Stuff==:In the references to [[Necrovalley]], both [[Gigaplant]] and [[REDMD]] are noted to "not Target". That is no longer an issue. I find it ironic that there's a warning to get [[Royal Oppression]] out before [[Herald of Perfection]] comes out, but nothing like that in the [[Six Samurai|6S]] section.:Also, you listed [[Ally Salvo]] as a counter to [[Celestia]] and [[JD]]. Prolly dittography.By the way, does [[Dimensional Fissure]] hurt [[Gravekeeper's]]? [[Special:Contributions/207.233.120.2|207.233.120.2]] ([[User talk:207.233.120.2|talk]]) 21:18, August 4, 2011 (UTC) :: Fixed, thanks.:: Removed; was probably thinking of something else.:: Not really... I don't think so... <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 01:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC) ==Allies of Justice==[[Ally of Justice Cycle Reader]] is awesome against Lightsworns and Agents-it's a double D.D. Crow and it's a Level 3 Tuner monster if you want to use it in a Synchro Summon. [[Ally of Justice Core Destroyer]] is a Catastor when you're dueling Agents and Lightsworns that you can summon at no cost.{{User:BobaFett2/sig2}}:"Cycle Reader" is a great Side, particularly against [[Fabled]]. "Core Destroyer" is OK, but [[Agent]]s can Synchro around it or bomb it with "[[Master Hyperion|Hyperion]]". Lightsworns have a bit of trouble unless they're the [[Chaos]] variant (they usually are). 'Least it kills "Wulf".::On an unrelated note, "[[Chain Disappearance]]" only works against "[[Infernity Mirage]]" in the OCG. [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 20:24, August 12, 2011 (UTC) ::: Can you explain? I don't see why it can't be used on [[Infernity Necromancer]] in the <s>OCG</s>TCG... <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 22:54, September 26, 2011 (UTC) Cards to side against Agents need to be added, as they are now the top deck of the format. I recommend [[Thunder King Rai-Oh]] (stops Earth, negates Hyperion/Kristya/BLS if they run it, Sangan if they run BLS), [[Light-Imprisoning Mirror]] (stops everything), [[Leeching the Light]], (gain major ATK for game, was popular at the last YCS), [[Dimensional Fissure]]/[[Macro Cosmos]] (nothing in grave, no fuel for Hyperion, nothing to drop Kristya, nothing for BLS, Sangan doesn't search). [[User:Lappyzard|Lappyzard]] ([[User talk:Lappyzard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lappyzard|contribs]]) 05:57, September 25, 2011 (UTC) [[Grave of the Super Ancient Organism]] stops Hyperion, BLS, Kristya, and Trishula as well as the occasional Stardust. [[Chain Disappearance]] rids you of pesky Earths and Shine Balls.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 12:50, September 25, 2011 (UTC) I can't believe I forgot this: side [[Zombie Master]] against Zombies. [[Paladin of the Cursed Dragon]] works as well although not necessarily as effectively. Of course, [[Puppet Plant]] works as well. Kycoo stops Book of Life if I'm not mistaken.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 23:01, September 26, 2011 (UTC) Ah. [[Big Burn]] against Infernities, or does that not work? [[Ally of Justice Quarantine]] isn't bad against Agents (Vulnerable only to Honest and Jupiter, and not even BLS).[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 23:25, September 26, 2011 (UTC) Big Burn worked pre-Leviair, but now it might actually help them. [[User:Lappyzard|Lappyzard]] ([[User talk:Lappyzard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lappyzard|contribs]]) 01:55, September 27, 2011 (UTC) Nah, it's as effective as ever-unless they have Tour Guide, they have no access to Leviair once their Necromancers are Banished.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 02:11, September 27, 2011 (UTC) And all good Infernity decks are running Tour Guide. [[User:Lappyzard|Lappyzard]] ([[User talk:Lappyzard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lappyzard|contribs]]) 19:19, September 27, 2011 (UTC)::I meant that they have to draw it, since they'll be topdecking.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 20:40, April September 27, 2010 2011 (UTC):Definitely a counter.:I should have been clearer. "[[Infernity Mirage]]" cannot be stopped by "[[Chain Disappearance]]" in the TCG because it is no longer a valid target after the cost for its effect is carried out (with [[Priority]]).:"[[Zombie World]]" works all right against Agents. It stops Kristya, keeps Hyperion from bombing anything, blocks the effect of Jupiter, and crushes Sanctuary if they're using it (sillyheads). Doesn't stop Venus though. [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 20:06, September 30, 2011 (UTC):::Are you saying Big Burn is a counter?[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 20:39, September 30, 2011 (UTC) :: Actually, my mistake, I misread it as you can't use it in the OCG for some reason, when you meant you can't use it in TCG. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 02:35, October 1, 2011 (UTC) [[Mind Crush]] really trips up Machina Gadget decks, especially those that use the Gadget chain with Ultimate Offering for Xyz. --[[User:Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[User talk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gadjiltron|contribs]]) 13:03, October 6, 2011 (UTC) ==Dark World==* "[[Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer]]" is good for blocking Gates and Smog, and fiddles with the Graveyard. He dies to Raven and Snoww+, though.* Maybe you could add the caveat "bypassed by [[Dark World Lightning]]"; that card makes Debunk very hard to use. [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 15:04, November 13, 2011 (UTC) ==Rabbit / Evolsar ==Any Ideas to stop this new threat? [[User:Ruicub|Ruicub]] ([[User talk:Ruicub|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ruicub|contribs]]) 12:07, November 15, 2011 (UTC) [[Imperial Iron Wall]]. More [[Effect Veiler]].[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 17:37, November 15, 2011 (UTC) Use [[Dark Trap Hole]] and [[Giant Trap Hole]] to counter rescue rabbit, it should work quite effectively seen as it was originally desinged to counter [[Rescue Cat]]. [[Karma Cut]] can annoy rescue rabbit although he he may re summmoned later with [[Leviair the Sea Dragon]] [[User:Matthew Lightbody|[email protected]]] ([[User talk:Matthew Lightbody|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Matthew Lightbody|contribs]]) 16:09, November 19, 2011 (UTC) I sided [[Lava Golem]] during Six Samurai format. I plan to do the same if the Rabbit Dino deck becomes big. It won't, though. It can't compare to Plant Synchro. [[User:Lappyzard|Lappyzard]] ([[User talk:Lappyzard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lappyzard|contribs]]) 17:59, November 19, 2011 (UTC) Any more advice to counter Rabbit / Evolzar? [[Special:Contributions/24.0.144.144|24.0.144.144]] ([[User talk:24.0.144.144|talk]]) 00:57, November 25, 2011 (UTC):[[Imperial Iron Wall]] works. [[Maxx "C"]] is pretty effective just to draw cards.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 01:10, November 25, 2011 (UTC)::No one's mentioned "[[Summon Limit]]"? Also, "[[Rivalry of Warlords]]" pretty much locks Xyzs. [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[User talk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 01:55, December 10, 2011 (UTC) Why has nobody mentioned [[Mirror of Oaths]]? I side deck two nowadays on DN to stop Rabbit and GB. [[User:Menace13|Menace13]] ([[User talk:Menace13|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Menace13|contribs]]) at 04:03, December 10, 2011 (UTC) Nobody seems to realise that Gozen Match just kills off Dino Rabbit. I think a Blackwing-Gozen Deck could easily win, as could a Dragunity-Gozen Deck. [[User:Vyomo|Vyomo]] ==Dark World==I have a sugggestion for side decking against dark worlds. You can side deck [[Appropriate]] , so that whenever they draw a card you also draw 2 cards, this can give you very good hand adavantage ,and it can be combined with [[Maxx "C"]] to get more extra cards. [[User:Matthew Lightbody|[email protected]]] ([[User talk:Matthew Lightbody|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Matthew Lightbody|contribs]]) 14:04, November 25, 2011 (UTC) == Exodia == For Exodia, can we put Exchange to "cripples the deck completely", and add [[Amazoness Chain Master]] (not as good since you have to get it killed, but still useable). [[User:Battlemaniac|Battlemaniac]] ([[User talk:Battlemaniac|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Battlemaniac|contribs]]) 16:44, January 2, 2012 (UTC) ==BF2's Additions==[[4-Starred Ladybug of Doom]] against Gadgets, Gravekeeper's, and Gladiator Beasts. Steelswarm is actually pretty good, and if added, [[Blackwing - Jin the Rain Shadow]] is an side card (Catastor against them). If I'm not mistaken, [[Des Donut]] hurts them as well. [[Infestation Wave]] actually hurts them as you can return their monster to their hand and destroy their card. [[Chain Burn]] is missing - [[Rainbow Life]], [[Des Wombat]], [[Lifeforce Harmonizer]], and [[Prime Material Dragon]] are all good sides against them. [[Vanity's Emptiness]] is also incredibly against them as it even stops their draw cards. [[Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell]], while a -1, will almost certainly paralyze Dragunities and hurt Gravekeeper's. [[Field Barrier]] hurts them as well, preventing them from playing Field Spell Cards. [[Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo]] is a godsend against Fabled - protect it with a Trap or two and you can't lose. [[Huge Revolution Reversal]] is good against Scrap (Scrap Dragon). [[Hunter of Black Feathers]] is good against any mono-Attribute Archetype - Agents, Sabers, Dark World, etc. [[Infinite Dismissal]] against Plants. [[Karakuri Klock]] works against Karakuri. More to come.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 18:00, January 5, 2012 (UTC) [[King Tiger Wanghu]] stops Mystical Shine Balls and destroys Earth, as well as destroying Kageki/Kagemusha/Elder (which cripples Six Samurai), destroys most X-Sabers, destroys Infernities (other than Archfiend), hurts Plants/Naturia, devastates Inzektor Wind-Ups, makes Treeborn Frog useless, etc. Rescue Laggia is missing, [[Mirror of Oaths]], [[Smashing Horn]], and [[Bottomless Trap Hole]] are all effective side cards, as is [[Imperial Iron Wall]]. [[Snowman Eater]] is good against [[Miracle Gemini]]. [[Widespread Dud]] is bait against X-Sabers and Scraps that gets rid of their cards.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 19:04, January 5, 2012 (UTC) Made some modifications, more to come.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 19:26, January 5, 2012 (UTC) :I think you meant [[Karakuri Trick House]]. :[[Rivalry of Warlords]] and [[Gozen Match]] are pretty good against Rabbit and Wind-Ups. [[D.D. Crow]] works okay against Wind-Ups and Inzektors if you can cut their loops short. They can go for Leviair if you mispredict and they're still holding Gallis or Spell Striker, though. [[Special:Contributions/24.199.53.194|24.199.53.194]] ([[User talk:24.199.53.194|talk]]) 21:14, February 17, 2012 (UTC) == More cards to cripple Dragunities == Could you side in a [[Dark Highlander]] against a [[Dragunity]] deck since it stops all [[Synchro Summon]]s and can take out [[Equip Card]]s and burn for each? Not to mention having a 2800 atk level 7 beatstick on the field[[User:Ja1lbreakr0cks|Ja1lbreakr0cks]] ([[User talk:Ja1lbreakr0cks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ja1lbreakr0cks|contribs]]) 17:20, February 12, 2012 (UTC) == Newer Archetypes ==Some I'm thinking of: <br><b>Rabbit:</b><br>[[Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter]].<br>[[Penguin Soldier]].<br>[[Snowman Eater]], etc.<br>Not many run Dolkka or try to get it out, most go for Laggia which is only really vulnerable to flip effect monsters or monsters already on the field.<br>[[Summon Limit]], but it doesn't solve the first turn problem.<Br>[[Overlay Owl]] but they would negate its summon anyway.<br> <b>Inzektors:</b><br>[[Effect Veiler]].<br>[[D.D. Crow]].<br>[[Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror]].<br>[[Consecrated Light]] (only if they have no hornet equipped, so not that great).<br>[[Necrovalley]] (not extremely good but decent).<br>[[Safe Zone]] (they pop it they lose a monster, not amazing though).<br>[[Fiendish Chain]].<br>[[Chain Disappearance]].<br> <b>Wind-Ups:</b><br>[[Maxx "C"]].<br>[[Effect Veiler]].<br>[[D.D. Crow]]?<br>[[Regenerating Mummy]] possibly, if they send it to the grave you add it back to your hand, they're likely to hit it constantly when the hand gets low. Not bad to draw into too.<br>[[Neko Mane King]] possibly, if they hit it their turn ends, risky though, bad to draw into too. Could also be a side against Dark Worlds.<br>Since these are a first turn deck at the moment I won't list cards that need to be already on the field.<br> <b>Hieroglyphs: </b> <i>(I don't know much about these)</i><br>[[Maxx "C"]].<br>I'm not sure if [[Effect Veiler]] does much against them.<br>[[Zombie World]], tribute summon quite a lot (although that might be tribute to summon), and it stops quite a few Dragon specific cards.<br>[[Mask of Restrict]].<br>[[Light-Imprisoning Mirror]], most of them are light.<br>[[Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror]], it'd stop their REDMD.<br>[[Summon Limit]], they spam a lot.<br>[[King Tiger Wanghu]] since they spam 0 attack monsters quite often.<br>Any negate special summon cards like [[Fossil Dyna Pachycephalo]].<br> <b>Ninjas:</b> <br>[[Thunder King Rai-Oh]], they add to the hand often.<br>[[Effect Veiler]] can really hurt their [[Upstart Golden Ninja]].<br>[[Royal Decree]] can hurt, but they don't really need [[Ninjitsu Art of Super-Transformation]] to run, Xyz spamming with dead traps would work almost as well.<br>[[Warrior Elimination]], they don't spam much though.<br> Any other new top tier(ish) archetype I'm forgetting?<br>[[Special:Contributions/121.222.228.13|121.222.228.13]] ([[User talk:121.222.228.13|talk]]) 04:10, February 20, 2012 (UTC) Against Rabbits, you're better off with [[Spirit Reaper]], [[Arcana Force 0 - The Fool]], [[Marshmallon]], and, believe it or not, [[Wave-Motion Cannon]]. Dolkka can negate the Flip Effect monsters making them less useful. [[Lava Golem]] is also an insanely good side against them. Hieroglyphs don't have to use REDMD, so strike Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror. Wanghu isn't very effective as they'll kill it with either an effect or by battle (their 0 attack monsters would come out after they've destroyed him). Leeching the Light is decent against Hieroglyphs as they have high ATK monsters. For Ninjas, Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror isn't a bad side - it stops Tour Guide and Hanzo.[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 14:19, February 20, 2012 (UTC) :I completely forgot about Hanzo being dark. And why would [[Wave-Motion Cannon]] be a good side against rabbit? I'm not quite getting that. Is it because if they don't negate it they could get big damage, if they do they lose materials? Because if that's the case wouldn't cards like [[Smashing Ground]] or [[Dimensional Prison]] be better?[[Special:Contributions/123.211.144.181|123.211.144.181]] ([[User talk:123.211.144.181|talk]]) 08:11, February 21, 2012 (UTC) If you watch ! Xcloud (some number of spaces) play on DN, you'll see that he sides everything against Rabbits. He does extremely well against Rabbits by siding in a bunch of wall monsters (The Fool, Reaper, Marshmallon) an Wave-Motion Cannon. If I'm not mistaken, they don't run a lot of Spell/Trap removal...[[User:BobaFett2 | BF2]] [[User talk:BobaFett2 | Talk]] [[Forum:Deck Guide | Deck Guides]] 17:33, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
What about [[Mask of Restrict]] for Hieratics? I feel as if it would be a > or + card on the above list, because most Hieratic plays and means of destroying cards come from tribute effects. [[Special:Contributions/108.196.206.15|108.196.206.15]] ([[User talk:108.196.206.15|talk]]) 14: Yea27, June 21, my thoughts were all 2012 (UTC):+ would be appropriate. It shuts down the Earth monsters in Zombiesengine, so I didn't put but like Macro Cosmos and Necrovalley it there. I'll add it s vulnerable to the "can work against" section though, and a few other thingsTefnuit -> A Wingbeat of Giant Dragon. [[Special:Contributions/207.233.120.2|207.233.120. 2]] ([[Usertalk:Falzar FZ207.233.120.2|Falzar FZtalk]] 05) 00:5101, April June 28, 2010 2012 (UTC)
This list should have sections for those 3 i have some cards : inzektors:*necrovalley:stops dragonfly and others from equipping hornet from graveyard.*d.d. Crow:when they try to get hornet from the grave,chain and LOL at their dragonfly unassisted*different dimension ground:chain this to anything they use to dump hornet in grave.*effect veiler:use to stop inzektors from equipping anything.*macro cosmos:unlike dimensional fissure,this works on spells[[Shadow-Imprisoning MirrorUser:LaserGhost|LG]] against Blackwings and Infernities and there are people that side deck [[Blackwing - Sirocco the DawnUser talk:LaserGhost|talk]] against Blackwings.--[[User:Hide Head TurtleLaserGhost/Pesronal Guides|Hide Head TurtleMy own Guides]] 1316:2803, April 28February 22, 2010 2012 (UTC)
: Having played Wind- For InterceptUps, they get to choose I find it horribly injurious when the opponent springs a [[Bottomless Trap Hole]] on Zenmaity. Breaks the loop, leaves the targets Wind-Up player struggling for the effects firsta turn. Oh, wait, but it do you guys still works since they lose have the monster and you keep their monster.: > Zombie World owns REDMD so I suppose Priority ruling? Guess it won't work that cripples way for the deckTCG. At least it still can be used on Shark.: - Book of Life [[Effect Veiler]] is a bit situational, unless you have a Plague also particularly useful in your grave or if Zombie World is in playdefusing Zenmaity and Rat. AfterwardsEspecially Rat, it removes since they will be left with a Zombie so it works against them I guess.: Zombie Master monster with 600 ATK in Attack Position just lets you grab more monsters, not much more than that, unless I missed somethingasking to be beaten in.: >, - For SIM, taking into account of those Icarus, etc. wait, that means Holy Light goes down to - as well.: - I've seen that done as well, since Sirroco powers up using the opponent's BWs.[[User: Gadjiltron|Gadjiltron]] ([[Usertalk:Gadjiltron|talk]] • [[Special:Falzar FZContributions/Gadjiltron|Falzar FZcontribs]] 13) 14:5606, April 28March 5, 2010 2012 (UTC)
In the list above, [[By Order Cursed Seal of the EmperorForbidden Spell]] is listed twice for Gravekeeper's (with different ratings of effectiveness). Also, how about [[Consecrated Light]] against Steelswarms and [[Royal Decree]] against MonarchsChain Burn? [[Special:Contributions/207.233.120.2|207.233.120.--2]] ([[Usertalk:Hide Head Turtle207.233.120.2|Hide Head Turtletalk]] 14) 18:4357, April 28March 7, 2010 2012 (UTC)
::I just realized, [[Fiendish ChainGozen Match]] and most [[Koa'ki MeiruRivalry of Warlords]] cards can both cripple almost any deck -Wind-Ups, right? [[Special:Contributions/99.165.192.113|99.165.192.113]] ([[Usertalk:Azure Knight-Zeo99.165.192.113|Azure Knight-Zeotalk]] 20) 00:1850, April 29March 8, 2010 2012 (UTC)
: ::Yes, and they cripple Dino Rabbit as well. - -> ''<b>[[Corridor of Agony]] from [[The Shining DarknessUser:Skullvarnish|Summoned Skull 2:]] cripples GBs pretty bad, as GBs from the deck cannot use their tag effects and cannot attack. [[Usertalk:AscriptmasterSkullvarnish|AscriptmasterElectric Boogaloo]] 05</b>'' 00:4252, May 2March 8, 2010 2012 (UTC)
: For the record, I haven't played for a long time, I 'm not sure about the current meta, or what to use against it.: I've mentioned a couple of times that anyone can edit the list as long as they know that due what they're doing (follow proper table syntax); or post below if they're not sure about adding to there special summoning mechanism alot of anti GB cards would be effective like Mirror of Oaths and along with the corridor cardtable.: <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 23:45, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
:* I donPerhaps Maxx "C" shouldn't think that card would make much of a differencebe listed. The main way to stop Infernities is to prevent them from Triple But certain OTK Decks like [[Trishula, Dragon of the Ice BarrierEvil HERO Dark Gaia OTK|TrishDark Gaia OTK]]ing you. Also, instead of attacking, they can use their effects and attack next turn (e.g. easily get stardust and wait 1 turn, get Infernity Death Dragon and pop a monster with effect and not attack anyway, triple Trish [[Empty Jar]] will end the game if your opponent drops "[[Heavy Storm]]" or "[[Trap Stun]]" and youdon're basically dead anyway) :* Generally, if a card is Continuous t have Veiler. Maybe Glads or is a monster that is hard to beat Zombies don't need Veiler against that deckmost things, and but there are times when it completely stops that deck's main strategy. Then it goes on the Cripple sideonly viable option.[[User:* Actually. New catagory. If there are loopholes in those Cont/Monster cards, or if a deck contains cards to stop them, then they go to the + list.:* Feel free to ask why a card is in a certain category, or disagree Designless Square|Designless Square]] (and state the reason).[[Usertalk:Falzar FZDesignless Square|Falzar FZtalk]] 12• [[Special:Contributions/Designless Square|contribs]]) 17:4027, May 13, 2010 2012 (UTC)
: I copy Then just make a similar line up before editing/adding the name, I might have copied it up, then forgot to change it xDlist of all purpose side cards. [[User: Wanghu is currently > on QD Plants (QD is SSd face-up, Dandy tokens SSd face-up, etc) and Gadgets IPlay4Fun|IPlay4Fun]] (must be Normal Summoned Face-up to get their effects). It wasn't on Infernities because they can set their Necromancer, I could add it to -. [[Usertalk:Falzar FZIPlay4Fun|Falzar FZtalk]] 00• [[Special:Contributions/IPlay4Fun|contribs]]) 15:0305, May 2August 5, 2010 2012 (UTC)
==Tier Divisions==I do not think the divisions on the [[Yu-Gi-Oh I guess gadgets covers machina !_Tier_List|Tier List]] page should be applied to this page until the creators of that page come to a formal definition of what constitutes a "Tier". [[User:Designless Square|Designless Square]] ([[Usertalk:Designless Square|talk]] • [[Special:OjaOwnageContributions/Designless Square|OjaOwnagecontribs]] 19) 20:5249, May 1August 20, 2010 2012 (UTC)