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:Support, now that Cheese has said his part and convinced me. [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 03:26, June 1, 2016 (UTC)
:I removed the Summoning methods since they're not needed and because it's going to start another edit war.[[User:DragonEmeperor|DragonEmeperor]] ([[User talk:DragonEmeperor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DragonEmeperor|contribs]]) 21:45, July 3, 2016 (UTC)
== Friendship Cup cleanup ==
:No. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 21:13, July 3, 2016 (UTC)
::I mean count Yuya and him as one person, like how Yuma and Astral were on the Number Hunters page before the last few episodes, or they take over in a duel. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 10:36, July 4, 2016 (UTC)
:::I don't really see the need to mention it. He should be treated the same as any other ally. He can be mentioned in the article when/if the article the talks about events where he and Yuya cooperated, but there is no need for an allies section or to shoehorn him into a table. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 14:19, July 4, 2016 (UTC)
==Allies==
should we add their allies from each dimension or no need[[User:Saeryukgkj|Saeryukgkj]] ([[User talk:Saeryukgkj|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Saeryukgkj|contribs]]) 13:54, July 3, 2016 (UTC)
:No. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 21:13, July 3, 2016 (UTC)
== Inactive and Recovering ==
so is Shay Temporary inactive this image shows him in a Recovery Pod [[File:Shay_Place_in_a_Recover_Pod.png|thumb]] (The Twinke Star in the Skies 23:51, July 3, 2016 (UTC))
<s>No.</s> Yeah, he should probably be moved to inactive. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 00:27, July 4, 2016 (UTC)
== 2000 LP Penalty ==
The penalty has been around since the battle royal, since Yuya never received one when he joined in on Sora and Yuto's duel. But every time the penalty is inflicted, it's usually during a duel involving at least one of the Lancers. I can prove this because Sora received a penalty when he aided Tsukikage in his duel against Obelisk Force, but suffered no such penalty when he and Yuzu joined a duel against Security. Likewise, Yugo didn't take a penalty when he took over Yuu's duel against Obelisk Force, Crow never received a penalty when he aided Shinji and his friends against Security, and Security themselves suffered no penalty when they intruded on Yuya and Jack's duel because Yuya was using a D-Wheeler from the Synchro Dimension instead of his Duel Disk from Standard. This evidence suggests that only the Lancers or anyone joining in a duel involving a Lancer receive the penalty, probably as another weapon in Reiji's arsenal to weaken the enemy if they intrude on a Lancer's duel. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 04:06, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
Ok, I can agree with this, but is it worth mentioning in the trivia? [[User:YugoTheClearWindRider|YugoTheClearWindRider]] ([[User talk:YugoTheClearWindRider|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/YugoTheClearWindRider|contribs]]) 04:09, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
:It has to be mentioned somewhere. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 04:17, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
::No it doesn't. There is no actual proof that its a Lancers-exclusive thing. You have quite a bit of evidence, but its nothing solid. Not really sure it is worth mentioning anyways. [[User:NMBRHNTR64|NMBRHNTR64]] ([[User talk:NMBRHNTR64|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NMBRHNTR64|contribs]]) 04:20, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
It should be mentioned, just not in the trivia section. Maybe make a page for it? Until we make a page or find a place for it, I'm removing it. [[User:YugoTheClearWindRider|YugoTheClearWindRider]] ([[User talk:YugoTheClearWindRider|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/YugoTheClearWindRider|contribs]]) 04:23, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
::I just showed you proof on why it is Lancer-exclusive. The only time Yuya didn't receive a penalty in a duel he joined midway through was when he dueled Yuto with Sora before the battle royal and before he became a Lancer and I don't seem to recall Reiji receiving one when he joined Selena's duel against Academia instructors. I'll go over every duel where the penalty took place and show you why it is Lancer-exclusive:
Dennis received the penalty when he intruded on Yuya's duel against Umesugi and Takeda
Michio, Teppei, Sawatari, and Gogenzaka received the penalty when they intruded on Kurosaki, Selena, and Tsukikage's duel against Obelisk Force
Yuya, Gogenzaka, and Kurosaki received the penalty when they intruded on Sawatari's duel against the Arrest Corps
Reira received the penalty when three Security officers already had they're Duel Disks active
Sora received the penalty when he intruded on Tsukikage's duel against Obelisk Force
Sergey received the penalty when he intruded on Yuya and Barrett's duel
Gogenzaka received the penalty when he intruded on Sawatari's duel against Kaito
Roger received the penalty when he used a hologram to reenter his duel against Reiji
Kaito received the penalty when he intruded on Yuya and Kurosaki's duel against Obelisk Force
Now I'll mention the duels where there was no penalty inflicted or a Lancer involved:
Yuya never received a penalty when he intruded on Sora's duel against Yuto
Reiji never received a penalty when he intruded on Selena's duel against three Academia instructors
Yugo never received a penalty when he intruded on Yuu's duel against Obelisk Force
Yuzu and Sora never received a penalty when four Security officers already had they're Duel Disks active
Crow never received a penalty when he intruded on Shinji, Damon, and Tony's duel against Security
Security never received a penalty when they intruded on Yuya and Jack's Turbo Duel because Yuya was using a D-Wheeler from the Synchro Dimension instead of his Duel Disk that Reiji had upgraded in Standard
Every duel I've listed where the penalty was inflicted, aside from the battle royal, usually involved a Lancer either joining or already a part of the duel, while every duel I've listed where the penalty wasn't inflicted, was usually before the Battle Royal, or did not involve a Lancer, especially Yuzu and Sora's duel because the former used a Standard Duel Disk and still suffered no penalty. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 05:01, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
:Your not even going to comment on my prof, but you'll still undo edit. That's only going to get this article locked. Wait until an admin responds on the talk page. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 08:17, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
"It should be mentioned, just not in the trivia section. Maybe make a page for it? Until we make a page or find a place for it, I'm removing it. YugoTheClearWindRider (talk • contribs) 04:23, July 5, 2016 (UTC)" [[User:YugoTheClearWindRider|YugoTheClearWindRider]] ([[User talk:YugoTheClearWindRider|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/YugoTheClearWindRider|contribs]]) 08:50, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
:I can't make a page just for the penalty. What's the problem with mentioning it in the trivia? That's basically what it is! Your only undoing that edit just because you don't think it belongs there without getting a second opinion. You don't even have a good excuse for it other than it shouldn't be in the trivia. Until we get an admin involved, please do not undo any more edits or else we'll keep edit warring, the article will be locked, and no one but the admins will be able to edit on here. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 08:59, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
::It looks to me more like the writers and animators simply inconsistently apply the penalty.
::That being said, I DO think a page for the penalty is a fine idea. The page could easily go into the specifics of above and that would be fine. We just would not want to speculate as to WHY each of those things happened, just that they did. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 09:32, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
::It's not really speculation. After all, every time the penalty was applied, it was usually in a duel involving a Lancer.
::Anyway, when you put it like that, I guess setting up a page for the penalty would be okay, but I still think it should be mentioned in the trivia, just not in full detail. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 09:53, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
== Edit Warring ==
Know that I don't like having to lock the page anymore than you guys do, but you have left me no choice. This page being unlocked attracts edit warring like a magnet. If changes need to be made to this page, please either post them here or on my talk page and I will get to adding them if need-be. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 04:20, July 6, 2016 (UTC)
Then let's remove the preferred Summoning methods, that's the real cause of the page being locked all the time. [[User:DragonEmeperor|DragonEmeperor]] ([[User talk:DragonEmeperor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DragonEmeperor|contribs]]) 16:50, July 6, 2016 (UTC)
:No, the real cause for this is how you keep undoing edits without giving any justifiable reason or discuss why said edits should be removed on the talk page. I've asked you time and again to discuss why before you undid the edits in the talk, but instead you just decided for yourself that the edits don't belong, and undid them anyway. I've warned you the page would be locked again if we didn't talk this out, but you wouldn't listen. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 21:02, July 7, 2016 (UTC)
::I all ready told you before, the Summoning methods listed out has fine if we put various newcomers might think they can use ready method out. That's why I did think if nobody can agree with the methods removing them is all right with me. [[User:DragonEmeperor|DragonEmeperor]] ([[User talk:DragonEmeperor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DragonEmeperor|contribs]]) 22:17, July 7, 2016 (UTC)
:What would newcomers think? --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 23:35, July 7, 2016 (UTC)
Remove the column if it hasn't been removed already. We agreed to do this, yes? [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 01:37, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
:Column removed. [[User:ChaosGallade|ChaosGallade]] ([[User talk:ChaosGallade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ChaosGallade|contribs]]) 02:22, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
:You can't remove it. Having the summoning methods listed is no different than listing which dimension each Lancer is from. It's a plot point. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 02:32, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
::I'm with Sanokal here. It's already been agreed on that the Summoning method column should be removed. Cheesedude gave his reasons.[[User:ChaosGallade|ChaosGallade]] ([[User talk:ChaosGallade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ChaosGallade|contribs]]) 03:30, July 8, 2016 (UTC)
::Can't we at least come to some sort of compromise? --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 21:45, July 9, 2016 (UTC)
:::Compromise? You agreed to this in the first place, but what do you have in mind? [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 00:49, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
:::Something like moving the summoning methods each Lancer specializes in to another part of the article. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 18:20, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
::::So its been re-added. If you would care to find a way to mention Summoning methods in the article itself (which would happen by default if the bio section was fluffed out) that would be fine. I'd like to request you revert yourself though. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 19:05, August 9, 2016 (UTC)
:::::No one had responded, and since DragonEmperor was the only one who actually had a problem with it, I just assumed no else really cared about including the summoning methods anymore. Besides, unless someone else has any better ideas, the only place I can think of to include the summoning methods is in the chart listing the Lancers. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 23:33, August 9, 2016 (UTC)
::::::Myself, Sanokal and ChaosGallade all supported removing it, as said in the above conversation. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 01:59, August 10, 2016 (UTC) <small>''—Last edited by [[User:Becasita|Becasita]] ([[User talk:Becasita|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Becasita|contribs]]) at 10:32, August 10, 2016 (UTC). Reason: Fix typo.''</small>
::::::Yes, I'm well aware of that, but I meant for a compromise, which doesn't seem to matter anymore because someone else re added the summoning methods apparently. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 16:25, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
:::::::And me, for the matter. I also preferred that column to be removed and I still do. <span class="nowrap">[[User:Becasita|Becasita]] <sup><small>Pendulum</small></sup></span> <span class="nowrap">([[User talk:Becasita|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Becasita|contribs]])</span> 10:32, August 10, 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Jackpo21, [{{fullurl:Lancers|diff=3464495&oldid=3463711}} you added] the Summoning methods back. There [{{fullurl:Lancers|diff=prev&oldid=3428248}} was one] that apparently was left behind accidentally.
::::::::And now you guys are [{{fullurl:Lancers|diff=3471010&oldid=3470463}} engaging again] on a very discrete edit war. Please stop.
::::::::I've removed the "Preferred Summoning Method" column (which, by the way, should be "Preferred Summoning '''m'''ethod"), and it will stay like this for now or until you guys are able to reach an agreement; given what was decided last time was to remove it entirely. <span class="nowrap">[[User:Becasita|Becasita]] <sup><small>Pendulum</small></sup></span> <span class="nowrap">([[User talk:Becasita|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Becasita|contribs]])</span> 17:55, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I had thought someone else added that and besides, I haven't done anything to the article since then. That was why I was asking for a compromise. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 05:48, September 11, 2016 (UTC)
:Naughty, naughty, Jackpo. Anyways, discuss before removal. Not a fan, it's too brief. [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 07:02, September 13, 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, but really guys? This is getting ridiculous. I don't want either of you touching this page until we can reach an agreement again. [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 03:28, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
::I've tried, but either no one responds back for weeks or they just flat out ignore me, like how dragonemperor ignored me about discussing this before removing it. And for the record, I've only touched the page about two times within the month, the first time because of a misunderstanding, and the second time to try out a new way to include the summoning methods. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 00:08, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
:::I didn't want this either but I did said that if we couldn't work it out the summoning methods will be removed. There was no need to put them back up in a different way. [[User:DragonEmeperor|DragonEmeperor]] ([[User talk:DragonEmeperor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DragonEmeperor|contribs]]) 03:30, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
::::If you didn't want this, then you shouldn't have made such a big deal about it. Maybe if you had actually bothered to talk about it before deciding to remove them like I had kept asking you to, it wouldn't have escalated as much. I wanted to work out a compromise to include the summoning methods, since they are a major part of the show, but you just ignore me and removed them without even discussing it first because apparently you don't think its worth the time. I admit to starting this, but your the one who kept it going by refusing to discuss it until the admins got involved. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 00:08, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
::::You're correct, but please mention that in your edit summary next time, otherwise it may start things heating up again. I did request above after Jackpo changed it to discuss any further changes before removal, but as I said you are technically right. Regardless, keep an eye on this talk page and discuss the problem further.[[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 03:54, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
Both of you have handled this poorly. Jackpo, it was requested that the Summoning methods not be added back in; you did so twice and it was actually noted (albeit on this talk page) both times. DragonEmperor, as I've said already, was technically correct in undoing it as a result, but didn't mention it in the edit summary and thus communicated poorly (even though I called him out on this in the talk page again).
Now, since it seems that the overall debate has been handled poorly:
* a) Should the Summon methods be re-added?
* b) To what extent of specification, if so?
* c) In the event that they are not, is there a compromise that can be reached?
In summation, keep up to date with the talk page until this is properly resolved. Thank you.[[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 08:20, September 20, 2016 (UTC)
== Dennis Inactive ==
How about we change Dennis' status to inactive and add how he was carded (by himself)? Celina is 'inactive' and alive and the carding is mentioned with Sun Shadow, so logically, Dennis should be marked as such.
[[User:Tim Voltus|Tim Voltus]] ([[User talk:Tim Voltus|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tim Voltus|contribs]]) 11:13, July 18, 2016 (UTC)
== Satus:Captured? ==
should zuzu Boyle's Status become Capture instead of Active? (Clayton Carmine 01:59, July 25, 2016 (UTC))
== Membership ==
On a side note, how are Crow and Sora considered Lancers now? Just because they showed up with Reiji and the rest in Fusion? If that were the case, then Yuzu and Tokumatsu would also be considered Lancers given how Yuzu was considered an unofficial member and Tokumatsu fought with them against Security. Same with Kaito, who took Kurosaki's place with the Lancer's in Xyz when they were going to Fusion. --[[User:Jackpo21|Jackpo21]] ([[User talk:Jackpo21|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jackpo21|contribs]]) 16:31, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
== Discussion ==
Okay, so I think Sora and Crow should not be listed as Lancers. My reason being that they were never officially declared themselves as Lancers. Having my edits reverted because "it was on there for a long time so I should leave it" isn't much of a reason for keeping it as it is. --[[User:Luckytrade|Luckytrade]] ([[User talk:Luckytrade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luckytrade|contribs]]) 02:34, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
:The article cites episode 115 as establishing Sora and Crow as Lancers. And that happens. Reiji says they are and Crow goes on to be considered a Lancer in the Battle Royal against the Academia students that gets hijacked by the Battle Beast. To be fair, the citations should really be repeated in the table portion, but regardless, the article does cite a source. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 02:49, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
:I don't see it. But by that logic, wouldn't Jack, Kite, and Aster be considered Lancers too? And I think Tokumatsu was associated with the Lancers too. --[[User:Luckytrade|Luckytrade]] ([[User talk:Luckytrade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luckytrade|contribs]]) 02:58, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
::Reiji ''says'' they are Lancers in that episode. That's as conclusive as it gets. And also why the characters you mentioned are not Lancers - they were never said to be. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 03:07, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
:I don't think he said that. --[[User:Luckytrade|Luckytrade]] ([[User talk:Luckytrade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luckytrade|contribs]]) 03:19, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
::Well, he did. He describes everyone present as a Lancer. I don't really know what else to tell you. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 03:25, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
:But didn't he refer to Tokumatsu as a Lancer too? When they took on Security near the end of the Synchro Arc. --[[User:Luckytrade|Luckytrade]] ([[User talk:Luckytrade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luckytrade|contribs]]) 03:32, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
::I don't believe so. Tokumatsu poses with them and helps them with Security, but I don't know he was called a Lancer. Even if he was, he'd be listed under inactive since he didn't come with them. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 03:35, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure he did; when Declan was making a speech to the Council. Even Security associated him as a Lancer. --[[User:Luckytrade|Luckytrade]] ([[User talk:Luckytrade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luckytrade|contribs]]) 03:42, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
:::I should also add that Jack has stated that he is ''not'' a Lancer, while Aster acts according to his old position rather than as a Lancer. [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 03:45, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
:Why not put Sora and Crow under a "New Members" section and the rest under "Allies". --[[User:Luckytrade|Luckytrade]] ([[User talk:Luckytrade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luckytrade|contribs]]) 04:56, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
::That's unnecessary. If need be their recent addition can be noted under "notes", but we've already nixed the idea of an "Allies" section. [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 07:32, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
:Why not? --[[User:Luckytrade|Luckytrade]] ([[User talk:Luckytrade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luckytrade|contribs]]) 18:35, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
::Dude, what's the problem, their Lancers now because they joined the cause to help. Everybody else helping are allies because they want to. Maybe they don't want be Lancers like Jack, but they are not gonna sit around and do nothing. [[User:DragonEmeperor|DragonEmeperor]] ([[User talk:DragonEmeperor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DragonEmeperor|contribs]]) 19:16, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
:Im not saying there should be. I was asking why. --[[User:Luckytrade|Luckytrade]] ([[User talk:Luckytrade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luckytrade|contribs]]) 20:24, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
:And just because they showed up with the other Lancers, doesn't necessarily make them members. --[[User:Luckytrade|Luckytrade]] ([[User talk:Luckytrade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luckytrade|contribs]]) 23:25, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
::It's not just because they showed up with the Lancers; it's because Declan makes a speech to the Lancers about their qualities, with Crow and Sora present and not excluded in any way. [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 23:41, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
:Then at the very least, they should be listed separate from the original members, like an "Additional Members" section, like how Dennis is listed as a former member and Zuzu and Yusho are listed as candidates. --[[User:Luckytrade|Luckytrade]] ([[User talk:Luckytrade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luckytrade|contribs]]) 23:58, December 31, 2016 (UTC)
::Should they? We do have a notes section for a reason. I'd be fine with adding that to it. [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 01:03, January 1, 2017 (UTC)
:I'm not much of a wiki user, so I'm not sure where the notes are, unless your talking about the references, but I feel like this is starting to get out of hand so I'm just going to say this:
:I'm not trying to cause any trouble here. I just feel like Sora and Crow shouldn't be listed as official Lancers because neither one of them ever acknowledged themselves as members. If people keep on insisting they are, then at the very least they should be grouped in a different category instead of with the original members. Even the senior Lancers have their own category and only one of them was even named. So is it really to much to ask to move Sora and Crow under a different category? --[[User:Luckytrade|Luckytrade]] ([[User talk:Luckytrade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luckytrade|contribs]]) 23:39, January 2, 2017 (UTC)
::I meant the Notes column in the table (unless it's called something different, but I'm sure that it isn't).
::Crow didn't exactly get time to do so before being offed (dammit, BB). Regardless, neither of them have ever objected to being called Lancers (like Jack did), and considering how picky Sora was about teaming up with Aster, you'd think he'd have objected.
::I'm not going to lie, part of why it's them who are considered Lancers is because Declan took them with him, which is the only reason that I don't consider Kite a Lancer. [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 23:53, January 2, 2017 (UTC)
::Luckytrade, this is very simple: Declan says they are Lancers; no one objects; therefore, they are now Lancers. There's nothing more to discuss here.
::I'd say the Senior Lancers have their own table because they are Senior Lancers, not Lancers (in the sense of Yuya's generation Lancers). I have no problems with listing Crow and Sora under the "Current members" table, since they fit there, even though Crow was carded; they are, currently, part of the Lancers group. <span class="nowrap">[[User:Becasita|Becasita]] <sup><small>Pendulum</small></sup></span> <span class="nowrap">([[User talk:Becasita|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Becasita|contribs]])</span> 00:02, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
:Declan never addressed them as Lancers individually, that's not enough to make it official, otherwise Tokumatsu would've been listed as one too because Declan included him during his speech to the council. There should at least be a separate category for them, that's all I'm asking. --[[User:Luckytrade|Luckytrade]] ([[User talk:Luckytrade|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Luckytrade|contribs]]) 00:17, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
== Moon Shadow status ==
Changed Tsukikage status.
The ninja is not more carded.
Episode 139 the ninja return and help Reiji. [[User:Gustavocomvoce|Gustavocomvoce]] ([[User talk:Gustavocomvoce|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gustavocomvoce|contribs]]) 22:46, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
==Arc V is over==
And this page is in serious need of an update but its locked so only an admin can do so. [[User:TyrantRex|TyrantRex]] ([[User talk:TyrantRex|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TyrantRex|contribs]]) 21:01, April 9, 2017 (UTC)
:I asked Cheesedude to unlock it but he never replied back. [[User:DragonEmeperor|DragonEmeperor]] ([[User talk:DragonEmeperor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DragonEmeperor|contribs]]) 22:14, April 9, 2017 (UTC)
::Probably because this page is a magnet for trouble. [[User:Sanokal K-T|Sanokal K-T]] ([[User talk:Sanokal K-T|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sanokal K-T|contribs]]) 09:04, April 10, 2017 (UTC)
:::Yeah, fine, I'll unlock it. Don't screw this up, guys. I have no qualms about relocking it. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 15:30, April 10, 2017 (UTC)
:From what I can tell, the admins share some of the blame for how out of control things went. --[[User:ArcVRains|ArcVRains]] ([[User talk:ArcVRains|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ArcVRains|contribs]]) 20:05, April 25, 2017 (UTC)