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Move?

Would anyone be opposed to moving this article to List of female cards? 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:06, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

I forgot I posted this. =D Almost two months without any comments, I'll take for silent consensus. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:32, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Laval Forest Sprite

"Laval Forest Sprite" is a female Tuner. But I can't add it because of the table format, which I don't understand....why we need such a detailed table for this list anyway?202.133.0.218 (talk) 09:54, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

She's already on the list, in the Tuner Monsters section. She should also be listed in the Effect Monsters section, though you would currently have to click "… further results" at the bottom of that section's list to see that (maybe we should up the limits on how many cards get listed?). The TCG/OCG sections all make use of Semantic MediaWiki to automatically list cards of that type that have been marked as "Female"; to add a card to one of them, you would edit the card's page and add the text "|misc1 = Female" (if you don't trust yourself to make such an edit, whatever the reason, you can leave a note here with a link to the card you're wanting to add, and someone will wort it out for you). As for why the list goes into such detail... Most of the sections were here before I had anything to do with the list, though I did add the sections for Toon, Spirit, Union, and Tuner monsters late last night (early this morning?). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:31, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

What About Them?

Why are Tuned Magician and Featherizer not females?

Because they were never tagged as female cards (and they're almost certainly not the only ones). I've fixed it for them. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:47, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

Page completely messed up.

The page is completely messed up. Somebody please fix it. --Reborn Maseru (talk • contribs) 16:32, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

That's because SMW is down. There's nothing we can do but wait. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:38, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
All right, then. Damn, the box appearing at the start of the page doesn't help at all, I was at the point of installing some kind of weird software from SemanticWiki. Thanks for the info! --Reborn Maseru (talk • contribs) 10:49, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
We all knew already, just shut up already! --FredCat 10:56, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
Seriously man, have somebody ever told you to slow down a bit and relax? Oh and please don't bother in showing your bad temper to me again, or even answering, I'll be erasing this section in 10 m. --84.125.10.91 (talk) 11:34, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, the text can be admittedly confusing for laymen. Do you have any suggestions as to how we could reword it to be less confusing? 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:56, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

New cards to add

I can't figure out to add cards, in particular

All of these, except for "Tempest Magician", were already marked as female cards. To see them in the lists, though, you may have to click on the "... further results" link at the bottom of each table. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:33, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Airknight Parshath?

This looks vaguely female to me, but File:AirknightParshath-WC08.jpg and File:AirknightParshathDB2-FR-SR-UE.jpg suggest it could just be an effeminate, long-haired male. Anyone? 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:46, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

It's definitely a male in french. We're always consider it as a male. Wilimut TalkMail Paris, 14:08, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Black Luster Soldier

Thought we agreed that Black Luster Soldier was male at Forum:Black Luster Woman?.
On a related note; so... no one still has access to The Duelists of the Roses game? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:33, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of that discussion; if you want to un-tag BLS and related cards, then, go ahead. =)
My friend had DOR years ago, and I played it some, but he lost the game some time ago (and I don't have a PS2/PS3 that I could play it on anyways). I remember I was working on documenting fusions (I think I still have the list somewhere, too). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:10, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
I have The Duelists of the Roses, but I haven't got "Black Luster Soldier" in it. In the manga and the artwork for "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" it definitely looks male to me. In its original appearance "Black Luster Soldier" was "Gaia the Fierce Knight" suffused by chaos. I think "Gaia" is definitely male, so that should mean "Black Luster Solider" is male. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:05, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
If that's indeed the case, it has some of the most misleading card artwork I've ever seen. >_> Its origin isn't mentioned on Card Trivia:Black Luster Soldier, BTW. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:18, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
So I managed to gain access to a copy of Duelists of the Roses with every card unlocked; would it be correct to say, if you move Cyber Shield onto a monster; if it equips, then the monster is female; if the monster is destroyed, the monster is male?
Did that to Black Luster Soldier and it was destroyed.
On a not so related topic; I'll upload a new version of File:BackVG-DOR.png when I figure out (or if someone tells me) where the best view of the back can be obtained. Right now, I think it's when a Spell/Trap is activated. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:40, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
When looking at details of a card there should also be section that lists applicable Equip Cards.
I think the current backing image was taken from the intro. It's a long time since I've played the game. The aerial view of face-down cards isn't that good, is it?
Since you have access to every card, could you get a not-so-blurred image of "Carat Idol", images of "Larva of Moth" and "Pupa of Moth" that show their original stats, a better quality "Fiend Castle" image and an actual card image of "Hightide"? -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:34, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
I'm wondering how much work it would be to find and rip these images directly from the game's ROM - I don't know if anyone's ever looked at its files to see if it uses standard file types or in-house custom jobs, but a very brief Google search isn't terribly promising. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:27, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, it's looking like no one's ever bothered with this game, and what I suspect are the archive files don't have any apparent coherent structure. I've posted a request for others more knowledgeable than I to have a look over at XeNTaX, maybe we'll get somewhere. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:11, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
I've uploaded the version, the image is from the animation at activation of a S/T when the card flies around (not the aerial view of a S/T card).
I'll check the rest when I get home.
EDIT: and for the record; here's the original screenshot. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:47, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
I've uploaded new versions to the 5 listed above. Unless there's another way to see them, the card images are sort of hard to get at (have to use them in a duel and draw them)...
The list appears to be accurate. If it has both Electro-Whip and Cyber Shield, then I'll consider the card as female.
Hero Kid is too new to be there.
Rogue Doll lists Book of Secret Arts, Bright Potion and Paralyzing Potion only, so I guess dolls don't have genders.
Ancient Elf has Electro-Whip, Cyber Shield, etc listed.
Airknight Parshath, Tactical Warrior, Dimensional Warrior and Maha Vailo do not.
The Snake Hair only has Dark Energy, Violet Crystal and Paralyzing Potion; although her 3D model seems to show that she has breasts.
Magical Ghost only has Dark Energy, Violet Crystal and Paralyzing Potion; and his 3D model has a male face.
Nemuriko only has Dark Energy, Black Pendant, Crush Card and Paralyzing Potion
Serpentine Princess has Raising Body Heat, Power of Kaishin and Paralyzing Potion... so genderless or male? 3D seems to be kind of a male...
A list of every card in DOR (cards which I can check) can be found here.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:12, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Forgot that some girl can be flat-chest, not like Burst Lady's, but further flatter, if you know what I mean. Though Serpentine Princess don't have a set of breasts like rest of other, but she's still a girl because of "Princess" reference. "Princess" is a female title. Never mind Role and "master" reference; they are just for drama and honor, respective. --FredCat 13:00, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
The point was; Serpentine Princess did not have Electro-Whip/Cyber Shield listed.
Also; the Japanese name is Nāga; not ...-Hime. It may have been a Konami-fail when it was released in the TCG. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:06, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Therefore they used bad google translation to get that name after all? Why not just mail a letter to Konami and reminded them about the translation mistake? Oh never mind that - E-HERO Rampart Blaster had horrible lore. --FredCat 13:14, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
The Snake Hair is based on Medusa, which is always female in mythology (not sure how much that counts for though).
Per its Japanese name, Serpentine Princess is based on the nāga, which simply means "snake" and is used in reference to snakes (especially cobras) more often then not; when used to describe a half-snake, half-human, there doesn't seem to be one particular gender commonly associated with it. This then is a case of a misleading English translation, and the vaguely feminine appearance of the monster itself doesn't help matters either. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:46, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Ancient Elf is one of the Fusion Material Monsters for Mystical Sand, which is definitely female, for what it's worth (the other is Giant Soldier of Stone, which is not female by my estimation). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:12, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
Fusion Material Monsters shouldn't really count; *points at Musician King*
Maybe DOR considered deities, myths and objects like dolls to be genderless... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:44, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
True, I'd forgotten about him. Nevertheless, though, from what I've seen, it's a general rule that female Fusion Monsters have at least one female FMM - we shouldn't use it as the ultimate answer, but it can help inform the argument at least. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:49, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hero Kid?

Is Hero Kid, a guy or a girl? A long time ago, I create a WC07 page about this card and label it male, but I have to ask is it a guy or a girl. Because I felt that I need to change it gender before something bad happen. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 04:47, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Spanish name is Niño Héroe, it's a boy. -- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 13:49, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, for the info and have a nice day. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 23:09, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
We need more than that: acording to the spanish name of Dharc the Dark Charmer he is a girl, so we can't fully trust the spanish name--絶望 (talk • contribs) 03:55, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
Well about Dharc the Dark Charmer, it's always been considered as a female in french too. It's name is clearly feminine. Wilimut TalkMail Paris, 04:02, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
However, acording to Tag force 4(and the german name), he is a boy--絶望 (talk • contribs) 04:07, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Rogue Doll?

Is this one female? It looks like it might be; has it appeared in any games where that can be definitively checked? 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:12, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'll post this above, where the rest of the DOR stuff is... or maybe I should make a new section for DOR and move everything there. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:12, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if it helps but in French and Spanish, the word doll (Poupée in French and Muñeca in Spanish) is feminine. For me, in my mind, Rogue Doll has always been female.Wilimut TalkMail Paris, 14:33, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
I agreed, my french friend, but I also disagreed - because Rogue Doll is making out of things, like with the one Cheese had discussing about (the one with Clockwork or something I forgot). --FredCat 14:36, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
I don't know about French, but in Spanish, nouns are either always male or always female; they never change gender based on what they're describing like adjectives do. This means we can't really use that as a basis for deciding whether a card is female or not. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:36, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
In the English manga, Pegasus uses "her" to refer to "Rogue Doll". The face, eye shadow and what seems to be breast plates all seem feminine to me. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:14, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
It's like I referred the car "her" often when having a conservation with male friends. But you get the point, D-Neos. --FredCat 19:21, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
To answer Dinoguy about Spanish, I'm bilingual and I can tell you 100% that Muneca is female consonnance. My stepfather calls his daughter Muneca. No ones will ever call a guy like that... It's clearly female. Wilimut TalkMail Paris, 02:26, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
I obviously defer to the individual who speaks Spanish natively/fluently; all I have to go on are my three years of Spanish in high school. ;) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:32, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Night Assailant?

Is Night Assailant a girl? I red Gravekeeper's Assailant card trivia and it say that it was resurrect as Night Assailant. Or does it, not have a gender. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 22:15, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

See this too, and you used "read" wrong, my friend. --FredCat 22:18, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
"This card appears to be a departed or spiritual version of 'Gravekeeper's Assailant'." That's mostly just a guess. There's no proof of that. -- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 22:24, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
If you disagreed with that, then go ahead, remove the line; if you please. --FredCat 22:25, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
I am ok with it, but can anyone answer the hero kid gender question. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 22:27, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Personally, I'm not seeing where the "Gravekeeper's Assailant is female" thing is coming from; it doesn't look even remotely female once you get past the eyes. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:06, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
*point at GX show* That's how we knew that "Assailant" is female. And Judai managed to dodge her attack with some crazy combine of his. --FredCat 23:09, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Yasmin. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:10, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Works for me, I suppose. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:12, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for bring that name up, can't believe that I forgot her name. So will "Night Assailant" get Misc up? --FredCat 23:14, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
We dont know if the two are the same monster, so Misc sounds fine to me. But even if Night assailant is a deceased Gravekeepers assailant, we dont know if its Yasmin or not, since most Monster cards seem to represent Species not single beings. There might be multiple Gravekeepers assailants so night assailant might be a ancestor of Yasmin and could be male. Another example is Blue eyes white dragon. Some think its female because Kisara is female. But in falsebound kingdom there are three individual white dragons (Azrael, Ibris, Djibril)That means there are 6 answers if you ask for a monsters gender: male, female, genderless, hermaphrodite, unknown and variable. There are cards that represent a unique being and cards thath represent a entire species. There is only one slifer, one Freed one burstinatrix etc which have a determined gender (unknown, male and female respectively), but there are multiple Blue eyes white dragons with can have either gender. Yasmin is A female Gravekeepers assailant, but there might be other gravekeepers assailants some male and some female. But thats just my theory. --SG-27 (talk • contribs) 10:58, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
Good point, my friend. But remember that game are not canon to Anime. Because most of games only taken part of the Anime and change the rest - like Marik's Deck for explain? Yea, don't believe that Falsebound Kingdom is relating to Anime. --FredCat 11:03, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Black Rose Dragon?

This one was added by an anon a little while back. Any thoughts on whether it's actually a female? 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:06, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Consensus will have Black Rose Dragon as female. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:34, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Cú Chulainn the Awakened?

The face definitely looks feminine, but the original character is male. Thoughts? 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:55, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

If it's based off on bishonen male character, I'd say the card is likely intended to be male as well. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:56, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't say the original character is meant to be bishonen; the other images on Wikipedia don't look nearly so feminine. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:18, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
It's a guy because 800 years of Irish folklore manuscripts says he's a guy. Huajun Chen (talk • contribs) 03:22, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ancient Elf

How come Ancient Elf is listed as female in the Normal Monster section when its description listed it as male since it states: "This elf is rumored to have lived for thousands of years. He leads an army of spirits against his enemies." --NejiHyuga900 (talk | contributions) "I am the Thunder Dragon!" 02:23, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

The lore is incorrect and the TCG screw up the lore. I upload this File:AncientElf-JP-Anime-DM-NC.png a few week ago. This should solve the issue. WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 03:03, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

XX-Saber Fullhelmknight

This card is not a female card. Just because it has long yellowish hair does not make it a girl, and you can tell by looking at his face and body. Tommy2215 (talk • contribs) 21:35, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

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