Talk:Mirror of the Ice Barrier

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Why is this considered a "member" of the Ice Barrier archetype? It's not a monster, and it's not even support for Ice Barrier monsters; it's an anti-support against Trishula. So why is it contained in the "member" section? The Pope 16:12, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Like how "Gravekeeper's Servant" is eligible for "Gravekeeper's" monsters support cards when used with "Magical Hats", this is eligible for "Ice Barrier" monsters support cards when used with "Magical Hats". -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:04, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

What does Magical Hats have to do with anything? Also, Gravekeeper's Servant is located in the Related section, which just supports this case. The Pope 01:05, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think that was meant to be sarcastic. Anyways, Gladiator Beast War Chariot and Morphtronic Accelerator (first 2 cards I could think of that have the 'archetype name', but are not monsters) both are in 'Support', and not 'Member'.

The reason should be because of the pages like List of "Gladiator Beast" monsters, 'Archetypes member' is used when generating that list, and those pages are for monsters only. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:11, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Let me explain the Wikia's policy on this.

• Archetype Members are for monsters that have the name of the archetype or are an important part of the archetype.
• Archetype Support are for Spell or Trap cards that support the general play style of the archetype, or are monsters that support the archetype in general. For example, Shien's Footsoldier for Six Samurai and Test Tiger and Test Ape for Gladiator Beasts.
• Archetype Related are for other cards that are related to the archetype because of their name, background story, image, or playing style. Example:
  • Name: Mechanical Spider for Karakuri.
  • Background story: Coach Goblin for Different Dimension. (D.D. Crazy Beast).
  • Image: Wynnda, Miko of the Gusta and Wynndarl, Sage of the Gusta for Charmers (Wynn the Wind Charmer).

In this case, Mirror of the Ice Barrier would fall under the Archetype Related category.-- HHTurtle ^Talk   01:19, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

It has always been done like this, if you want more proof you can look at the Archetype NavBox for Lightsworns, Gadgets, Harpie's Feather Duster for Harpies, Goblins, etc...-- HHTurtle ^Talk   15:38, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Falzar FZ: I wasn't sarcastic.

The Pope: "Magical Hats" is one (maybe the only way) of using Spell and Trap Cards as monsters. If an "Ice Barrier" card can be used as a monster, it's eligible for "Ice Barrier" monster support cards. "Gravekeeper's Servant" simply being in the related section isn't evidence against this. You need the reason it is for it to be considered evidence. Otherwise one page being vandalised would support that it's right to vandalise another page.

Hide Head Turtle: Where is it stated that that is the wiki's policy on this?

• "|archsupport1 = " was made for cards that support a specific group of cards. (usually recognised by having a common portion of their name.)
• "|archetype1 = " was made for cards that are support by the cards covered in "|archsupport1 = " or are connected by reputation (e.g. "Monarch".)
• After a while we realised it was wrong to call cards like "Spark Blaster" archsupport, since they don't support the whole archetype. (If "Spark Blaster" was counted as archsupport for "Elemental Hero" monsters because it supports 1 "Elemental Hero", then it should have also been considered support for Warrior and LIGHT since it supports 1 member of them.) So "|archrelated1 = " was added for cards like that.

If only monsters count as members of an archetype, then "Speed Spell" and "Fusion" (as mentioned in "Synchro Fusionist") have no members. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:55, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Speed Spell is an archetype of spells, whereas Ice Barrier is an archetype of monsters. Completely different. The Pope 17:01, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

I don't get what "Magical Hats" has anything to do here, since the Hats places the monsters in face down. Dark-Shimy (talk • contribs) 19:18, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

@Deltaneos: Ok... then there are quite a few pages that don't follow that.

Try "Magical Hats" + "Desert Sunlight" if you want it to be face-up. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 22:02, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, it seems to me like Hydronic is is the only guy who keeps harping on reverting it back to the way it was. Can someone please slap some sense into that guy? He's refusing to talk on the talk page pretty much because he wants to make an edit war. The Pope 23:19, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

My arguments

As Deltaneos already pointed it out, S/Ts ARE being treated as "members" of Archetypes (Scrap-Iron, Fusion, Polymerisation, Speed Spells...). I just want to add something else, see this page, it DOES list DARK WORLD S/Ts as MEMBERS. What are your responses to THAT?--Hydronic (talk • contribs) 21:39, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed an "Orly? What if I told you that Deltaneos disagrees with you?..."

Well, in response to that, I'll quote from Deltaneos himself "Don't think of being an admin as having a higher rank or influence over other editors."

Currently, the majority agrees on the method that HHT highlights.

And now the 'List of Monster Cards' are messed up... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:19, October 3, 2010 (UTC)