Talk:Requires Synchro Monsters as Synchro Materials

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Why not just "Requires Synchro Monsters as Synchro Material"? --XBrain130™「Ｘ（エックス）ブレーン１３０」 08:46, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Well, would that include monsters such as the Majestic monsters and Power Tool Dragon then? If you want "Requires Synchro Monsters as Synchro Material", you could create that and make this a sub-category to it. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 13:54, February 4, 2017 (UTC))

For the first question, I think yes.

For the second, I think we should just rename this one, since a Synchro that requires multiple other Synchros is almost always an Accel Synchro, making it redundant imo. --XBrain130™「Ｘ（エックス）ブレーン１３０」 14:10, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Well, I can think of at least 8 Synchro Monsters that require other Synchro Monsters as Synchro Material but are not "Accel Synchro Monsters" (I'm using the term here to mean any Synchro Monster that needs at least 1 Tuner Synchro Monster and at least 1 non-Tuner Synchro Monster as Materials, but are not named as such in the 5D's anime, like Crystron Phoenix), and only need at minimum 1 Synchro Monster as a Material. I think we can make "Requires Synchro Monsters as Synchro Material" for those 8 Synchro Monsters, but leave this one as a sub-category for all "Accel Synchro Monsters" for the sake of linking from the Accel Synchro Monster page. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 19:14, February 4, 2017 (UTC))

I'm with XBrain. Lucafriz, I think you're just complicating it.

Just one modification on XBrain's suggestion: "Requires Synchro Monsters as Synchro Materials". Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 19:28, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Really, the only categories I think are necessary are: "Requires (a?) Tuner Synchro Monster as Synchro Material" and "Requires (a?) non-Tuner Synchro Monster as Synchro Material". The lists for each of these categories are very small, and therefore don't justify the existence of this page that merges the 2.

If I had a Deck that was capable of churning out Synchro Monsters with a Tuner and/or Synchro Tuner on the field, I'd be more interested in seeing what Synchro Monsters specifically require non-Tuner Synchro Monsters. If I really wanted to see monsters that needed a Synchro Tuner and non-Tuner Synchro Monsters, the list is small enough that they could be found very easily anyway. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 19:50, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Rewording what I said earlier. We need 2 categories to be used on the card pages:

① Requires a Tuner Synchro Monster as Synchro Material

② Requires a non-Tuner Synchro Monster as Synchro Material

Those would be put on all the appropriate card pages. Then, we rename this category "Requires Synchro Monsters as Tuner and non-Tuner Synchro Materials". The contents of this list would be ① and ②.

We have another new 2 categories as well: "Requires a Synchro Monster as Synchro Material, but only as a non-Tuner" (relevant because of "Goyo King" and "Crystal Wing Synchro Dragon") and "Requires a Synchro Monster as Synchro Material, but only as a Tuner" (this category's creation may be delayed, because I don't think we have any Synchro Monsters that fit that category). The contents of the first list would be ②, excluding any results that fall under ①. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 00:08, February 5, 2017 (UTC)

I think separating into those two properties is excessive and overkill. A Synchro that requires another Synchro is notable from both a gameplay point of view and as a curiosity. Separating them like that is only practical for a limited set of circustances which probably wouldn't be the reason people search those Synchros. They are not too many to be all checked for the exact Materials in more than some minutes anyway, so I see no practical advantage in splitting them that way.--XBrain130™「Ｘ（エックス）ブレーン１３０」 02:47, February 5, 2017 (UTC)

When you have a Deck that relies on Synchro Summons for its power plays, but does not have enough resources to invest in a Synchro Tuner, that difference becomes more important. "D/D" and "Shiranui" are great examples of this, as they can readily bring out "Crystal Wing Synchro Dragon", yet aren't strong enough on their own to invest in Synchro Tuners for bigger plays. So, the interested player wouldn't want to comb through a list of Synchro Monsters that mostly lists "1 Synchro Tuner + 1 or more non-Tuner Synchro Monsters" in order to find the viable "Goyo King" and CWSD. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 02:55, February 5, 2017 (UTC)

I have to agree with XBrain here, I don't think a "Requires a Tuner Synchro Monster as Synchro Material" category is necessary at this point unless there's a Synchro Monster that requires a Tuner Synchor Monster as a Synchro Material, while at the same time doesn't require non-Tuner Synchro Materials. All such monsters that would go into this proposed category have "Accel Syncro" material requirements, which would lead to complete overlap with a "Requires Synchro Monsters as Tuner and non-Tuner Synchro Materials" category (which is a category you're proposing for monsters with "Accel Synchro" material conditions). I think just having this category, for all Synchro Monsters that require at least 1 Synchro Monster as Material, is sufficient. (Lucafriz (talk • contribs) 03:14, February 5, 2017 (UTC))