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== Flip Summon ≠ Special Summon ==
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''"A [[Flip Summon]] is also considered a Special Summon."''
 
''"A [[Flip Summon]] is also considered a Special Summon."''
  
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--[[User:Yami Aguilar|Yami Aguilar]] 05:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 
--[[User:Yami Aguilar|Yami Aguilar]] 05:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  
Since always. Read the rulebook. --[[w:c:YuGiOh:User:TwoTailedFox|TwoTailedFox]] ([[w:c:YuGiOh:User talk:TwoTailedFox|My Talk Page]]) 17:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
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Since always. Read the rulebook. --[[User:TwoTailedFox|TwoTailedFox]] ([[User talk:TwoTailedFox|My Talk Page]]) 17:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  
 
I've read it many times, and it never said that [[Flip Summon]]s are [[Special Summon]]s. Can you give me a direct quote from the rulebook? Are you also saying that a card like [[Royal Oppression]] can destroy Flip Summoned monsters and that [[Jowgen the Spiritualist]] can prevent monsters from being Flip Summoned and that [[Sacred Crane]]'s effect can be activated when Flip Summoned? All of those would be true if Flip Summons were Special Summons, none of those were true last time I checked. It's true that, like Special Summons, there is no limit to the number of Flip Summons one can perform in a turn, but that doesn't automatically make them Special Summons. Also, why do certain cards (like [[Bottomless Trap Hole]]) say ..."[[Normal Summon]]s, Flip Summons or Special Summons..." if Flip Summons are Special Summons? Why not also include [[Tribute Summon]]s, [[Fusion Summon]]s and [[Ritual Summon]]s? Because Special Summons already include Fusion Summons and Ritual Summons, and Normal Summons include Tribute Summons. Flip Summons, however, are completely different from Normal Summons and Special Summons.--[[User:Yami Aguilar|Yami Aguilar]] 16:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 
I've read it many times, and it never said that [[Flip Summon]]s are [[Special Summon]]s. Can you give me a direct quote from the rulebook? Are you also saying that a card like [[Royal Oppression]] can destroy Flip Summoned monsters and that [[Jowgen the Spiritualist]] can prevent monsters from being Flip Summoned and that [[Sacred Crane]]'s effect can be activated when Flip Summoned? All of those would be true if Flip Summons were Special Summons, none of those were true last time I checked. It's true that, like Special Summons, there is no limit to the number of Flip Summons one can perform in a turn, but that doesn't automatically make them Special Summons. Also, why do certain cards (like [[Bottomless Trap Hole]]) say ..."[[Normal Summon]]s, Flip Summons or Special Summons..." if Flip Summons are Special Summons? Why not also include [[Tribute Summon]]s, [[Fusion Summon]]s and [[Ritual Summon]]s? Because Special Summons already include Fusion Summons and Ritual Summons, and Normal Summons include Tribute Summons. Flip Summons, however, are completely different from Normal Summons and Special Summons.--[[User:Yami Aguilar|Yami Aguilar]] 16:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
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The rulebook did say that Flip Summons are not Normal Summons, but the rulebook never said that Flip Summons are Special Summons, so there is no reason to believe that. The rulebook also said "A Special Summon is when Fusion, Ritual, Spell, Traps or Monster Effects are used to place another monster on the field." Does a Flip Summon require a card effect to occur? No. In fact, if a monster ''is'' flipped face-up due to a card effect it is considered to '''NOT''' have been Special Summoned. I even invite you to email UDE to verify this. They'll be glad to correct you.[mailto:[email protected] [email protected]]
 
The rulebook did say that Flip Summons are not Normal Summons, but the rulebook never said that Flip Summons are Special Summons, so there is no reason to believe that. The rulebook also said "A Special Summon is when Fusion, Ritual, Spell, Traps or Monster Effects are used to place another monster on the field." Does a Flip Summon require a card effect to occur? No. In fact, if a monster ''is'' flipped face-up due to a card effect it is considered to '''NOT''' have been Special Summoned. I even invite you to email UDE to verify this. They'll be glad to correct you.[mailto:[email protected] [email protected]]
  
== sacrifice ==
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:Guys "Flip Summon" is just like a "Special Summon". they both can be summoned many times unless there's a restriction. '''Special Summon always comes from card effects. Flip Summon always comes from "set monsters" being revealed manually ("Main Phases"). If Flip Summon is also confided Special Summon then you can never flip any monsters on your own.--[[User:Wasn&#39;t|Wasn&#39;t]] ([[User talk:Wasn&#39;t|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wasn&#39;t|contribs]]) 19:42, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
a special summon dosn't need sacrifices does it? One of my friends says so and its getting on my nerves cos i thought it just worked no questions asked
 
  
If the card doesn't say so, it doesn't need a tribute. --[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 20:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
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:* The content is over 3 years old. There is no reason to post on it anymore.--[[User:YamiWheeler|YamiWheeler]] ([[User talk:YamiWheeler|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/YamiWheeler|contribs]]) 19:47, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
 
normaly u dont but if the says on the card to do so then u do
 
  
== Fenrir,aqua spirit,destiny hero - dogma/plasma etc. ==
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;I forgot to say "Any monsters flipped by a card effect isn't considered flip summoned".--[[User:Wasn&#39;t|Wasn&#39;t]] ([[User talk:Wasn&#39;t|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wasn&#39;t|contribs]]) 19:54, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
all of these dont show any restriction summoning  source,so,now my question: can these always be special summoned when you fullfil their tribute need?
 
[[User:Deadfalk|Deadfalk]] 18:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 
== special summon  ==
 
  
can you special a monster in a face down defence possison?
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I have a question: I'm pretty certain that you can't do this: Flip Summon a monster, activate "Book of Moon", and Flip Summon it again. Am I right?{{User:BobaFett2/sig2}}
  
Yes, you can, but only when a card states or specifies it. Otherwise, you normally can not.
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:Only as long as "[[Double Summon]]" was activate, or at least oddly card that could permission "Flip Summon again". But "Flip Summon" is part of "Normal Summon", since after it "flipped", it cannot change into any kind of position anymore for rest of the turn. Like Wasn't said, Book'f Taiyou the Flip Summon-effect monster won't help it to troll off the card from opponent's (like Medusa) since it's not consider as summon, only as effect causing. --<span style="font-family: 'Bookman Old Style';">[[User:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">F</font></span>]][[User talk:FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">r</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/friends|<span style="color:black;"><font size"2">e</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Ruling List|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">d</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Disambiguation/Memoir_(disambiguation)|<span style="color:black;"><font size="3">C</font></span>]][[User:FredCat100/Theory_of_Evilness_of_Yusei_Fudo|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">a</font></span>]][[Special:Contributions/FredCat100|<span style="color:black;"><font size="2">t</font></span>]]</span> 23:36, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
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"BobaFett2", your right, you can "Flip Summon a monster, activate "Book of Moon", and Flip Summon it again" because <u>Flip Summon works just like a special summon</u>. "FredCat100" wrote the rest.--[[User:Wasn&#39;t|Wasn&#39;t]] ([[User talk:Wasn&#39;t|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wasn&#39;t|contribs]]) 12:30, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
  
:I think this is a very important rule and should be included in the article itself. [[Special:Contributions/71.139.47.144|71.139.47.144]] 07:01, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
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== Monster Effect special summon during opponents turn? ==
::Ok... Question concerning too Class A Toons: I HAD a strategy holding to a point where you could Special summon a [[Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon]] facedown as they are normally treated as Special summons with the Normal tag attributed. Not that i have a way to explain that, but the whole point is to tribute two monsters and special summon it facedown. I see no where where it says i cant, but also no where it says i can...So is this legal or am i screwed?
 
  
== special summon ==
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Is it possible to special summon a monster with its effect during your opponents turn?
  
can a monster attack the same turn it is speciual summoned?
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Ex:
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Master Hyperion:-----
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You can remove from play 1 "Agent" monster from your side of the field, hand, or Graveyard to Special Summon this card from your hand.
  
can I summon lava golem from my deck?
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Dragunity Arma Leyvaten-----
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You can Special Summon this card from your hand or your Graveyard by removing from play 1 face-up monster you control equipped with a "Dragunity" card(s)
  
== hello i have a question? ==
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but during your opponents turn?
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[[Special:Contributions/75.84.179.225|75.84.179.225]] ([[User talk:75.84.179.225|talk]]) 06:33, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
  
can i sychro summon on my opponent's turn, since synchro summnoning is a special type of summoning?, is there any rules against it?. Can I synchro summon on my opponent's turn if i summon metal reflect slime in one of his phases. Can I synchro summon a monster that's level 8, by having 10 stars?. If anybody can answer this ill be grateful. do it honestly!!!
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Only if the monster says "This effect can be used during either player's turn".{{User:BobaFett2/sig2}}
: No, you may never Synchro summon on your opponents turn.  It must be on your turn. Also, unlike ritual where you can go over the star count, you must have exact levels when Synchro summoning.--[[User:Tapper930|Tapper930]] 04:29, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
  
::That means it's like a special summon, u see so that means, got damn konami should be more expecific. cause im getting tired of people not bean specific enough, which means that there specific rules for each type of summoning and they should put em in the got them book, i hate when they make us asume things.
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:Guys what are monsters that '''Special set''' monster(s) called: "[[The Shallow Grave]]", "[[Spear Cretin]]", etc.--Wasn't 12:31, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
  
::: Special summon is basically an extra summon to your normal summon.  That's why it's ''special''--[[User:Tapper930|Tapper930]] 04:44, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
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: [[Apprentice Magician]], [[Bubonic Vermin]], [[Genex Ally Triforce]], [[Major Riot]], [[Mecha Bunny]], [[Morphing Jar 2]], [[Naturia Cherries]], [[Nimble Momonga]], [[Spear Cretin]], [[Super-Nimble Mega Hamster]], [[The Fabled Peggulsus]], [[The Shallow Grave]], [[Worm Call]], [[Worm Yagan]] and [[Worm Zero]].
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: You should probably ask on the forum next time. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 06:53, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
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:Which forum? "The Fabled Peggulsus" and "Genex Ally Triforce" etc. set isn't a set; it's a Special Summon (its Ruling) not sure.--Wasn't 12:26, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  
== Special Summon in  Defence Position ==
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:: [[Forum:General Yu-Gi-Oh! Discussion]] would be fine. [[Dark Simorgh]] stops those, therefore it is a [[Set]]. <span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva">-[[User:Falzar FZ|Falzar FZ]]- ([[User talk:Falzar FZ#top|talk page]]|[[User:Falzar FZ/Tips and Guides|useful stuff]])</span> 12:59, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
  
Is it possible? Say i have a card that says "Special summon this card" with no other requirement or specifications, can I summon it in face up defence position? [[Special:Contributions/81.157.79.14|81.157.79.14]] 10:35, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
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==Types of Special Summon==
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I have a Japanese copy of Master Guide 5, and I've read its "Types of Special Summon" section, and it classify into 3 typess:
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*Condition
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*Effect (Non-activated)
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*Effect (Activated)
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This is somehow too big for me, I suggest we rework this section.<br>
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I don't mean to overwrite everything BTW, just a rework[[User:0123456789 The Great|0123456789 The Great]] ([[User talk:0123456789 The Great|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/0123456789 The Great|contribs]]) 06:38, January 2, 2018 (UTC)

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Flip Summon ≠ Special Summon[edit]

"A Flip Summon is also considered a Special Summon."

Since when?! --Yami Aguilar 05:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Since always. Read the rulebook. --TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 17:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I've read it many times, and it never said that Flip Summons are Special Summons. Can you give me a direct quote from the rulebook? Are you also saying that a card like Royal Oppression can destroy Flip Summoned monsters and that Jowgen the Spiritualist can prevent monsters from being Flip Summoned and that Sacred Crane's effect can be activated when Flip Summoned? All of those would be true if Flip Summons were Special Summons, none of those were true last time I checked. It's true that, like Special Summons, there is no limit to the number of Flip Summons one can perform in a turn, but that doesn't automatically make them Special Summons. Also, why do certain cards (like Bottomless Trap Hole) say ..."Normal Summons, Flip Summons or Special Summons..." if Flip Summons are Special Summons? Why not also include Tribute Summons, Fusion Summons and Ritual Summons? Because Special Summons already include Fusion Summons and Ritual Summons, and Normal Summons include Tribute Summons. Flip Summons, however, are completely different from Normal Summons and Special Summons.--Yami Aguilar 16:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The rulebook did say that Flip Summons are not Normal Summons, but the rulebook never said that Flip Summons are Special Summons, so there is no reason to believe that. The rulebook also said "A Special Summon is when Fusion, Ritual, Spell, Traps or Monster Effects are used to place another monster on the field." Does a Flip Summon require a card effect to occur? No. In fact, if a monster is flipped face-up due to a card effect it is considered to NOT have been Special Summoned. I even invite you to email UDE to verify this. They'll be glad to correct you.[email protected]

Guys "Flip Summon" is just like a "Special Summon". they both can be summoned many times unless there's a restriction. Special Summon always comes from card effects. Flip Summon always comes from "set monsters" being revealed manually ("Main Phases"). If Flip Summon is also confided Special Summon then you can never flip any monsters on your own.--Wasn't (talkcontribs) 19:42, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
  • The content is over 3 years old. There is no reason to post on it anymore.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 19:47, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
I forgot to say "Any monsters flipped by a card effect isn't considered flip summoned".--Wasn't (talkcontribs) 19
54, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

I have a question: I'm pretty certain that you can't do this: Flip Summon a monster, activate "Book of Moon", and Flip Summon it again. Am I right?BobaFett2 (talk)

Only as long as "Double Summon" was activate, or at least oddly card that could permission "Flip Summon again". But "Flip Summon" is part of "Normal Summon", since after it "flipped", it cannot change into any kind of position anymore for rest of the turn. Like Wasn't said, Book'f Taiyou the Flip Summon-effect monster won't help it to troll off the card from opponent's (like Medusa) since it's not consider as summon, only as effect causing. --FredCat 23:36, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

"BobaFett2", your right, you can "Flip Summon a monster, activate "Book of Moon", and Flip Summon it again" because Flip Summon works just like a special summon. "FredCat100" wrote the rest.--Wasn't (talkcontribs) 12:30, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Monster Effect special summon during opponents turn?[edit]

Is it possible to special summon a monster with its effect during your opponents turn?

Ex: Master Hyperion:----- You can remove from play 1 "Agent" monster from your side of the field, hand, or Graveyard to Special Summon this card from your hand.

Dragunity Arma Leyvaten----- You can Special Summon this card from your hand or your Graveyard by removing from play 1 face-up monster you control equipped with a "Dragunity" card(s)

but during your opponents turn? 75.84.179.225 (talk) 06:33, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Only if the monster says "This effect can be used during either player's turn".BobaFett2 (talk)

Guys what are monsters that Special set monster(s) called: "The Shallow Grave", "Spear Cretin", etc.--Wasn't 12:31, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Apprentice Magician, Bubonic Vermin, Genex Ally Triforce, Major Riot, Mecha Bunny, Morphing Jar 2, Naturia Cherries, Nimble Momonga, Spear Cretin, Super-Nimble Mega Hamster, The Fabled Peggulsus, The Shallow Grave, Worm Call, Worm Yagan and Worm Zero.
You should probably ask on the forum next time. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:53, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
Which forum? "The Fabled Peggulsus" and "Genex Ally Triforce" etc. set isn't a set; it's a Special Summon (its Ruling) not sure.--Wasn't 12:26, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
Forum:General Yu-Gi-Oh! Discussion would be fine. Dark Simorgh stops those, therefore it is a Set. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:59, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Types of Special Summon[edit]

I have a Japanese copy of Master Guide 5, and I've read its "Types of Special Summon" section, and it classify into 3 typess:

  • Condition
  • Effect (Non-activated)
  • Effect (Activated)

This is somehow too big for me, I suggest we rework this section.
I don't mean to overwrite everything BTW, just a rework0123456789 The Great (talkcontribs) 06:38, January 2, 2018 (UTC)