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Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but I don't think I see a link for card setup, such as where monster cards and traps/spells are located. Is there no page on that? [[User:Lying|Lying]] 06:29, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 
Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but I don't think I see a link for card setup, such as where monster cards and traps/spells are located. Is there no page on that? [[User:Lying|Lying]] 06:29, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
  
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== Card types ==
 
== Card types ==
  
Feel free to fill in any gaps in the table. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ダイノ</span><span style="color:#080;">ガイ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 01:27, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
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Feel free to fill in any gaps in the table. <span class="nowrap">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ディノ</span><span style="color:#080;"></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 01:27, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
  
 
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! Normal !! Continuous !! Field !! Equip !! Quick-Play !! Ritual !! Counter
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! Normal !! Continuous !! Field !! [[Equip Card|Equip]] !! Quick-Play !! Ritual !! Counter
 
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| [[Normal Spell Card]] || [[Continuous Spell Card]] || [[Field Spell Card]] || [[Equip Spell Card]] || [[Quick-Play Spell Card]] || [[Ritual Spell Card]] || &mdash;
 
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| [[Trap Card]] || [[Continuous Trap Card]] || [[Field Trap Card]] || [[Equip Trap Card]] || &mdash; || &mdash; || [[Counter Trap Card]]
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| [[Normal Trap Card]] || [[Continuous Trap Card]] || [[Field Trap Card]] || [[Equip Trap Card]] || &mdash; || &mdash; || [[Counter Trap Card]]
 
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! [[Trap-Spell Card|Trap-Spell]]<!-- need a newline after here, otherwise all cells are header cells -->
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| [[Normal Trap-Spell Card]] || [[Continuous Trap-Spell Card]] || &mdash; || &mdash; || &mdash; || &mdash; || &mdash;
 
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==Reorganization==
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'''[[Flip Summon|Flip]]''' should not listed underneath '''[[Normal Summon|Normal]]''' (which is underneath "Summoning mechanics", which is underneath "Intermediate"). It deserves a category of its own, since it doesn't count as a Normal Summon or Set. I don't want to mess around with the template personally. --[[User:UltimateKuriboh|UltimateKuriboh]] ([[User talk:UltimateKuriboh|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/UltimateKuriboh|contribs]]) 08:16, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
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== Basic, intermediate, advanced and expert ==
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The categorisation into "basic", "intermediate", "advanced" and "expert" seems arbitrary and even nonsensical in places.
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* [[Synchro Monster]], [[Synchro Summon]], [[Tuner monster]] and [[Synchro Material Monster]] are four things you'd probably learn at the same time, but here Synchro Monster is basic, Synchro Summon is intermediate, Tuner monster is advanced and Synchro Material Monster is expert.
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* The breakdown of the [[Battle Phase]] is in basic, while [[ATK]], [[DEF]] and the [[battle position]]s are intermediate, even though you need to know the latter before you can learn about battles.
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* Very basic things like [[Type]], [[Attribute]] and [[victory condition]], i.e. how a game ends, are classed as expert.
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There's a lot of other stuff which seems out of place. Should we just drop the column that divides them into "basic", "intermediate", "advanced" and "expert" or does someone want to chance a better arangement? -- [[User:Deltaneos|Deltaneos]] ([[User talk:Deltaneos|talk]]) 18:17, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
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:I've also always been bugged by this. I have a feeling the categorization originally came from some official source or another, though if so, I rather doubt it actually divided the game mechanics so thoroughly. Personally, I'd rather see the categorization gone and the template reorganized some; I think trying to maintain the distinction while making it less arbitrary as to what goes where is too much effort for too little gain. <span class="nowrap">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ディノ</span><span style="color:#080;">奴</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 20:36, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
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::Most likely the rulebook that came with the original Starter Decks. I do recall them having sections called all four of those things. Whether or not newer rulebooks that include Synchros and Xyzs organize it the same way I do not know. [[User:Cheesedude|Cheesedude]] ([[User talk:Cheesedude|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cheesedude|contribs]]) 22:22, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
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So I've been thinking about this for a few days, and I think I've got a possible top-level organization for a rewrite: card layout, card types, field layout/areas/etc., turn layout, battle/effect stuff, other stuff. Thoughts/suggestions/rebuttals? <span class="nowrap">「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#00f;">ディノ</span><span style="color:#080;">奴</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color:#F90;">千?!</span>]]」<sup>[[wikipedia:Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 02:39, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
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:The template needs some sort of fixing, for sure. Whatever you have planned, I'm sure it's better than what we have now. So go for it. --[[User:Golden Key|Golden Key]] ([[User talk:Golden Key|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Golden Key|contribs]]) 13:18, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

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Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but I don't think I see a link for card setup, such as where monster cards and traps/spells are located. Is there no page on that? Lying 06:29, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Look under the "Playing Field Zones" section. --Bluedog (Talk) 06:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Card types[edit]

Feel free to fill in any gaps in the table. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:27, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

  Normal Continuous Field Equip Quick-Play Ritual Counter
Spell Normal Spell Card Continuous Spell Card Field Spell Card Equip Spell Card Quick-Play Spell Card Ritual Spell Card
Trap Normal Trap Card Continuous Trap Card Field Trap Card Equip Trap Card Counter Trap Card
Trap-Spell Normal Trap-Spell Card Continuous Trap-Spell Card
Virus Normal Virus Card Field Virus Card
Speed Spell Normal Speed Spell Card Quick-Play Speed Spell Card Ritual Speed Spell Card

Reorganization[edit]

Flip should not listed underneath Normal (which is underneath "Summoning mechanics", which is underneath "Intermediate"). It deserves a category of its own, since it doesn't count as a Normal Summon or Set. I don't want to mess around with the template personally. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 08:16, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Basic, intermediate, advanced and expert[edit]

The categorisation into "basic", "intermediate", "advanced" and "expert" seems arbitrary and even nonsensical in places.

There's a lot of other stuff which seems out of place. Should we just drop the column that divides them into "basic", "intermediate", "advanced" and "expert" or does someone want to chance a better arangement? -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:17, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

I've also always been bugged by this. I have a feeling the categorization originally came from some official source or another, though if so, I rather doubt it actually divided the game mechanics so thoroughly. Personally, I'd rather see the categorization gone and the template reorganized some; I think trying to maintain the distinction while making it less arbitrary as to what goes where is too much effort for too little gain. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:36, February 10, 2013 (UTC)
Most likely the rulebook that came with the original Starter Decks. I do recall them having sections called all four of those things. Whether or not newer rulebooks that include Synchros and Xyzs organize it the same way I do not know. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 22:22, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

So I've been thinking about this for a few days, and I think I've got a possible top-level organization for a rewrite: card layout, card types, field layout/areas/etc., turn layout, battle/effect stuff, other stuff. Thoughts/suggestions/rebuttals? ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:39, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

The template needs some sort of fixing, for sure. Whatever you have planned, I'm sure it's better than what we have now. So go for it. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 13:18, March 13, 2013 (UTC)