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Chatmod

Thanks for pointing that out, I wasn't aware of the fact that admins got already that parameter and I wanted to test it on the chat. By the way, we definitely need to open a new thread about naming chatmod. We had a few RFA specifically about that already... Wilimut TalkMail Paris, 14:56, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you can see what user rights any particular user group has from Special:ListGroupRights. ;)
We've had some discussion about it already; the main problem, I think, is that none of the really regular contributors are on chat often enough to know which chat regulars are trustworthy with the tool (if a regular contributor who is on chat all the time is reading this, you should totally call me out on this assumption =D ), so any such requests ultimately come down to "whose word do we trust more". (this isn't meant as an argument against a request for chatmod process, of course; just an observation on one of the difficulties we may have with it) At this point, we just need someone to take the initiative and spend the time setting the process up. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:23, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Still Don't Understand

Shonen Jump only prints official stuff. Perhaps it's not officially released by Konami but I'm pretty sure that it will be official sooner or later. Why not just say that? BF2 Talk Deck Guides 22:38, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

See my comment in the forum (basically: better safe than sorry). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:43, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Moving Questions

I am wondering why two Admins (Deus and Falzar FZ) commented on my talk page about me moving the questions from Discussion Talk page into Forum. They made it sound like it's illegal thing to do, though the Admin Cheesedude permission me to do it alright. I know that's little oddly for me to questioning you here because I am not sure which Forum that this part of discussion was going to be in... --FredCat 14:32, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reading Falzar's comment, it sounds like he's primarily concerned with the anon or editor being able to find the question after it's been moved, which is indeed an important consideration.
  • Moving the comment to the editor's talk page pretty much guarantees that they'll see the answer in most cases, but isn't terribly useful for other people who may have the same question and who actually know enough to check the forum.
  • Moving the topic to the forum, on the other hand, does pretty much the opposite, if you don't do much of anything beyond that.
  • Simply replacing the question with a talkheader and a message that the forum should be used for questions doesn't help anybody; certainly not the person who asked the question, and not others with the same question.
So, the best method is a combination: if you're not aware of a forum discussion that asks and answers the same question, move the question to the forum (and answer it, if you want to and know the answer), change the new redirect to a "stub" talk page with a talkheader and a note to post questions in the forum, and leave a note on the talk page of the person who posted the question explaining that you moved their question, with a link to its new location, and explain that in the future, they should direct further questions of the same type to the forum, since they're far more likely to be seen by someone who knows the answer there, and can help other users out after the fact (and remember to be friendly! the person just came here with an earnest question; they probably didn't know about our policies, and are far more likely to come back for other questions and whatnot if their first experience is a friendly, positive one). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:13, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
I did that last suggest twice, ever informed them that I moved them. And the one Falzar jumped on me, was not exist at that time I "removed" the question from Talk Page - I did learning some lesson from the past. So if either Admin came on me once more; I will just post up the new line in my Talk Page that could talk about my responsible. --FredCat 18:23, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to point them here, as well. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:39, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Done that part, so I should go and fishing Cheese with his favorite coffee cup... --FredCat 18:45, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
It's about time he finally realized his mistake... --FredCat 01:32, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Editing the list of Dragons

This list has both "Poke Dra" and "Poki Draco" listed, but they're the same card. Could you fix this please?

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Dragon-Type_monsters Golden Key (talk • contribs) 01:13, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

How about now, did that fix it? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 01:19, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Quick image policy things.

I thought it was agreed at one point that anime card articles that have no real or video game equivalent should use the Japanese image, since they have actual information on them. Not sure why I'm not putting this on the talk page for the image policy, but meh. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:15, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

That's possible; I hardly remember every single conversation I've participated in on here, much less all that have happened. If you're sure of this, go ahead and change the image policy, and if you can find the discussion you're thinking of, link me to it. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:36, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
I believe it was something Falzar said in an edit summary at one point or another, and I just assumed I'd missed the conversation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:16, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
I remember seeing that in someone's edit summary before.
Then after that I mentioned it a few times in some of my own ones.
(The search is taking longer than I thought it would so I'll just leave a message first.)
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:46, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
^ For some reason that took a few mins to save... and it saved twice even though I clicked once...
Here it is. Falzar FZ (talk • contribs) 13:02, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
That's good enough for me, unless Delt randomly pops by and says otherwise. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:10, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Poll

Is there a way to track who voted on the categories on the Poll code, <poll></poll>? I ask because I help BF2 on the Weekly Deck Competition, and we kinda want to know if there's a way to block a username from voting, so people can't vote for themselves, but just for a specific forum post. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 03:31, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

No, unfortunately there isn't.
If you need it to be like that, why not do this instead of a poll? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:36, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
How would a bot help me? I know they are used to perform repetitive tasks, but I'm also not sure how to operate one as well. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 12:58, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
I am referring to how he made the poll on that page. Under the headings Support and Oppose, with users signing where they vote. Instead of using that automatically generated poll. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:29, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Negative Level

Do you know the reason why cards with Negative Level (e.g: Dark Diviner) fail to display their level correctly in the card table like other cards? Blackwings0605 (talk) 06:25, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Because of some miscoding going on around the {{{level}}} handling in {{CardTable2}}, or possibly something in {{Repeat}} (either way, he root cause is insufficient testing on my part). Remind me later and I'll look into it; it's really late here and in a few minutes I'm getting a shower and going to bed. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:58, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
Bump? --FredCat 13:07, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
A random guess on the problem would be that repeat doesn't handle negative numbers, and that there was no absolute value function of any kind being used on it to tell it to show 5 images instead of... -5... error. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:33, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
That's almost definitely what the problem is. I could've sworn I specifically tested for using negative values with the template, but maybe not... I'm gonna check and fix the problem in a second anyways, so it doesn't really matter much. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:04, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
There, fixed. Easy enough. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:06, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Flags

Why only a flag? In the section in English there are more flags Set Card Galleries:Ancient Sanctuary (TCG-EN-1E) Set Card Galleries:Ancient Sanctuary (TCG-SP-1E)--Mahad mx (talk • contribs) 03:59, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

I asked Deltaneos about the flags back when I was working on my boilerplate; he said we really only want one flag per usage (this is actually how the flags had been getting used for a while, so it was more an affirmation of current practices then a reversal). Other than that, though, it comes down to a question of "what flags would be included" - for any given set with a European English release, for instance, can you give a full, correct list of the countries it was officially distributed in? Same for worldwide English sets. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 13:30, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Kickbanned

Dude I'm the one usually having to keep the chat calm while you admins are away. Then you kick me? dude you need to learn about a situation before you overreact. Whatever I'm done with this. All day i have to deal with the little kids fighting with each other and asking advice and saying their random ass crap, and you know i bother keeping the one or two dudes who are stuck in chat alone company during the day. but now i'm done with you guys, because on every occasion you people start crap with each other. I'm done. —This unsigned comment was made by FreelancerRaiko (talk • contribs) 01:56, September 12, 2011

I kickbanned you for your use of profanity, though I would've been more than justified in kickbanning you for never seeming to do anything but cause strife in chat. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 01:58, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Interesting question

Category:Cards that need an image has a problem. There are some listed cards that don't and NEVER will have card images, unless circumstances change. They have very slim chances of ever being used in the anime/manga again and even slimmer chances of actually being made. Anyway to suppress an auto-added category? The word "need" implies that a a card image exists and that we don't have it. In this case, we don't have it because it's impossible to have one. Maybe a separate category for such cards? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:53, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

An override would be pretty easy, I think (and, in a certain sense, one is already possible: simply specify an image); perhaps for such cards, we should be using a particular image other than a card backing (though you've got me on what such image might consist of)? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:13, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Image policy

Do we? I had thought the "hierarchy" was real card > video game > anime/manga. Which I don't agree with, since most video game images don't have the whole card. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:35, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea; I simply wrote what I had the impression of. If card>VG>series is indeed how we do it, though, now would be as good a time as any to change it, since I don't agree with that either. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:44, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
Hmm. Well, I guess we'll wait for Delt then. XD. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:45, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

New Problem from the Feline

Hey, since you're a Temple Editor - so that could mean you could know how to managing the Deck Table, right? I have a problem in my own article - it's "Crystal Hamon's" Deck table that seemed to including each other of topics below the one it is current sitting. I put in "Nowiki" link to prevent it from happening so I could let you to check it out - This article is what you should look for. If you see the problem, just lemme know immediate. --FredCat 19:59, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

I fixed it for you - the problem was one of the spans; instead of properly closing it with </span>, you accidentally omitted the slash, which opened another span. From there, it was a matter of the parser choking on it, and brokenness ensued. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:06, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
D'oh! No wonder why I screw that one up. Thank you for cover it up :-) --FredCat 20:08, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
No problem; I've learned the hard way to pay attention to closing tags. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:10, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

<_<

>_> <_> Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:10, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Too much sugar in your coffee again? --FredCat 00:16, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Nah, just this... =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:18, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Also, if it's any consolation, I'm going to be getting email-bombed for hours with notifications on pages added to the new tracking/maintenance categories (though principally Category:Card table transclusions with outdated appearances parameters). =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:21, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Meh, the code looks cleaner now. I'm still annoyed though. Also, what tracking cats did you add? And for the record, I use Equal in my coffee. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:23, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
I would've set it up like that from the very start, but the idea (and the implementation) didn't occur to me until just a few weeks ago (though I have had an inkling of something like it for a month or so, which is why I'd stopped updating card pages to use the appearances templates as I came across them). On the upside, it'll be almost embarrassingly easy to get my bot set up to strip the parameter input down to just the needed comma-delimited list. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:28, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
And the tracking categories (I swear, I didn't forget! =D ):
Mostly tracking use of "rare" parameters, as you can see. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:32, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Then why did your eyes set up like that? (Wall-Eyes) --FredCat 00:30, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
I should have said something you then. I always wondered why it wasn't like that to begin with. I just assumed that it couldn't be, since I don't know nearly as much about wikicode as I should. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:33, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
I would say I should have thought of it then, but I didn't know enough about StringFunctions and #arraymap at the time to know it was possible (if you recall, I originally designed the appearances templates to require one episode number per parameter, and only later updated it to require one parameter containing a list of any number of episode numbers, after learning more about SF and #AM). 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:36, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
No, I don't remember that at all. Let's never mention it again, yes? Anyway, I'll start using the new system as I edit then. If you change it again, give me some warning if you can. Thanks. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:48, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah right. The only way it could be simplified at this point is if I figured out how to get templates to watch/read episodes/chapters and identify cards, and automatically list them. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:52, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
I know. I was still in sarcasm mode in that point. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:35, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Should be me, because I dyed his coffee with teabags. --FredCat 03:50, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Tea is fine. I like tea. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:04, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I was in full-on sarcasm mode then too. Guess I should've used a http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Irony_mark_full.svg/6px-Irony_mark_full.svg.png. =D
Also, tea is awesome, I really should drink more of it. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:13, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Unofficial names

Do you have a list of languages for which a card name would always be unofficial? Meaning that YGO products have not been released in that language? For that matter, are there any? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:01, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Not really... I should probably make a list of languages with official distribution of one or more YGO media one of these days, though. AFAIK, only those languages with official media licenses are actually shown in CardTable2, though I don't know if it displays all such languages; anything that only gets stuffed in an SMW property *should* be unofficial no matter what.
When tagging a name as unofficial, if it's something like Turkish, I'll usually tag whatever I come across. For stuff like Greek and Thai, I'll tag it if I notice the given name getting changed, though this isn't perfect since card names are sometimes changed even within licensed media (several examples of this can be found on the various pages in User:Montechristo95's userspace). If a given media has not yet had an official English release, I'll usually tag everything but Japanese as unofficial, since it is (should be) incredibly rare for e.g. an episode/chapter to be released in French or German or something before its English release.
Any other questions? =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:12, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Interesting.
Yeah, if the English name is unofficial, everything else pretty much is in almost any case.
Who would win a fight? Mega Man or Bomberman? I mean, none for now. That's what I meant. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:42, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
I dunno, I've never played much Mega Man, and I don't think I've ever played Bomberman. Yeah, Delt may be able to tell you a bit more than I could. You could also look at the lists of licensors on the anime series pages, though I have no idea how accurate those actually are. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:53, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Dumb User

Check his history of why he just being dumb. Time to pull a Ban Hammer out of crevice we never want to know and smacking him down. --FredCat 20:45, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

I've blocked him for two hours; let me know if he starts up again after the block expires. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 20:56, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, remind YamiWheeler too, because he joined the force with me to falcon punch him back. --FredCat 20:58, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Oh btw, that user you locked up not so long ago is possible to be dead by the blow on the head. --FredCat 23:26, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

*break down the wall*

*opened the door and let you come in before back out to the article that required your helps to fixing and locking up* --FredCat 23:25, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I got an email notification for it. I'll check it in a minute. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:27, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
So I am an "Email Notification"? --FredCat 23:30, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Nah, the page is on my watchlist (along with all the other Forbidden/Limited list pages), so when it got edited a bit ago, I got an email notification. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:36, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
Good to know, if I had been one, then I should find the little clip and removed it from my body. --FredCat 23:40, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
To be fair, though, I do also get an email notification every time my talk page here is edited... ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 00:10, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
That's good that only Admin can get them - it irritated me so much. --FredCat 00:16, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, anyone can get such notifications; it depends on how you have your email preferences set. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:21, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Quick Question

Forum:Some new usergroups, is there any word if you guys are ok with people being given admin ship rights to move pages and stuff? I just want to know, so I could possibly ask for that right. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 04:20, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

That's not what that forum discussion is about; rather, it's asking if there's support amongst editors here to request for the creation of new user groups from Wikia staff. One of these groups (the one with the most support, and the best chance of being added) is a "mover" group, which would be able to move pages without a move throttle, move files, and suppress the creation of redirects when moving stuff. However, we haven't actually gotten around to requesting the group, so we're not yet able to grant it to anyone. You're more than welcome to request adminship anyways, but I don't think you're very likely to get it just to be able to move files and not have a move throttle, unless our request (when it's made) is explicitly turned down by Wikia staff. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:54, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, alright. Well thanks for your answers. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 02:19, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Keeping NC images

I recall a discussion where it was agreed that we shouldn't delete NC images just because we have the image of the card. Do you remember where it is? PoirotH (talk • contribs) seems to want to have a word about it. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:49, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

I want to say it was somewhere in the forum, but I can't remember for sure (I also want to say that I was the one who specifically said "let's keep them"... hmm). =/ I think one of us needs to start a discussion index (in the project namespace?) so we can reference these types of discussions in the future without having to look everywhere for them... 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:57, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
I actually had thoughts of suggesting to make a forum sticky which lists any major changes and any updates to how things work here. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:12, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to start it (unless you just want to punt the job back-and-forth with me until Delt/Cheesedude/Poirot/Huajun/Fredcat/whoever gets fed up and shouts at us/starts it themselves... =D ). =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:31, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
tehe. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:37, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Discussions took place here and here. I'm in favor of keeping NC images in the galleries regardless. Even if we don't do that, the NC images themselves should be retained. They work well for episode/chapter article images.
Thread is a good idea. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:33, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Chatmod nomination

Hello Dinoguy i am very privalaged for you to nominate me as a chat moderator. --EgyptianDuelist0000 (talk • contribs) 18:06, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Eh? Where/when did I do that? 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 18:21, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
At Forum:Chat mods. You mentioned his name there as a possible candidate. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:25, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw/remembered that after posting my reply here. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:34, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Custom Chat Messages.

Hey Dino, You Know Special:AllMessages. Well I Found Out A Way To Make The Chat Even Better! Message Me, So I Can Tell Ya How Dark Paladin Attack!22:37, September 24, 2011 (UTC).

Arch-Related or -Support?

He's changing them all to "Archsupport" instead of "Archrelated" so that's true or not? If not, then comment him and get him fixing them back to normal. --FredCat 16:51, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Spot-checking a few of their edits suggests that they have a reasonable grasp on the distinction between archmember/support/related... If you spot individual edits where they get it wrong, you should go ahead and fix it for them, and if I somehow missed the bulk of such edits, it may be worth (calmly! ;) ) explaining to them the difference here. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:47, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

How...

are random IPs banning people from chat? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:50, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

lol That was me, and yeah, IDK how it happened, but I laughed when I saw that. I was trying to find out how to work the banning/unbanning of users (a friend, YamiWheeler/Tamaru, from the Wikia's IRC channel allowed me to use him as a guinea pig), and saw that there was a change in the user's rights log. But yeah, it's funny how I was a random IP. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 03:20, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
They don't seem to be random, it's the mod who is banning them. I think it's just be a bug; so you can probably avoid it by using Special:UserRights instead of the shortcut on the chat. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:24, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I've got a hold of it now. There wasn't a user manual when I was given the role, nor was there a "shortcut" to unban someone. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 03:27, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
As was pointed out above, it's a known bug (or perhaps more a shortcoming of the feature). If you look at the banning rationale, you'll note that the kickbanner is named as the person to ask for more info; if it bugs you that much, you should use Special:UserRights instead as Falzar mentioned. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:12, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
No, it doesn't bother me. I was just curious. I've never used that feature at all since I almost never go into chat, so I wasn't aware of the bug. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:30, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
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