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Page Protection Code?

Is there any type of page protection template, that any normal user can use? Not counting the Archive Template. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 00:03, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

There shouldn't be one available. The archive one uses css to disable the edit button, it technically doesn't protect it.

Page protection requests can go in the admin noticeboard I suppose.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:30, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Right, page protection is admin-only. There are ways to fake it with CSS and JS, but ultimately nothing short of actual page protection will stop a sufficiently determined individual from editing a page (and in some cases, at least, not even that will suffice, but that's another matter altogether ;) ). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:57, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

I see thanks. Not that I had any hope there would have been something like that, but never hurts to ask I suppose. Anyway, thanks! You guys are great help as always. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 00:43, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

No problem. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:54, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Funny typo

Not just say that Delta made his own typo, but you ever misspell that very word in the summary. Just for some chuckles and funny thing, no offense if it sound like insult or something. --F r e d C a t 16:59, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't think I've ever made that particular typo, but I've certainly made more than my fair share of them (including, I'm sure, plenty of funny ones). =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:06, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, Funny Magician... just keep your hat tricky as always ^_^ --F r e d C a t 17:11, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

I sometimes use "tyop" and "speel" on purpose. *true story*

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:10, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Rouge angles of satin. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:16, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Falzar: every time you see "tyop" in an edit summary of mine, there's a 99.9% chance it's intentional (if it's the only word in the summary, or the edit consists solely or mainly of typo corrections, it's 100%). ;)

Cheesedude: I always wanted to be a rouge admin, but I don't think I've ever been red enough. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 03:44, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

New mover group

Wikia set up the "mover" user group got added a couple of hours ago. It wasn't easy to set up, so it's not unlikely that there could be a few problems and we should test for them.

I only requested the "mover" group, but I did link to this forum. They might have tried making the other two changes that you suggested there, or they might have just made mistakes that made it look that way. Looking at Special:ListGroupRights, the differences I see are:

Bureaucrats can add "mover", "patroller" and "bot".
Bureaucrats can remove "mover" and "patroller".
Bureaucrats can no longer remove "admin" or "bot".
Admins can add "mover", "rollback, "patroller".
Admins can remove "mover", "rollback, "patroller".

My comments:

Although that mentions patroller, that group doesn't seem to exist. It doesn't have its own section on Special:ListGroupRights and I don't see it on Special:UserRights/Example. But that right wasn't actually requested.
Admins and bureaucrats being able to add/remove mover is fine.
Admins being able to add rollback, I think is a plus, but that wasn't requested.
Bureaucrats being able to add bots I'd say is a plus, but that wasn't requested. I didn't notice bureaucrats were able to remove bots beforehand. I suppose losing that is a minus.
Bureaucrats not being able to remove admins, I'd say is a minus. It's something we'd hope isn't needed, but it's good to have it just in case.

Does Special:UserRights/Example do exactly what Special:ListGroupRights says admins should be able to use it for, apart from add/remove patrollers?

I guess the next thing to do is test the movers group on a dummy account. And compile any mistakes there with the unwanted changes mentioned above. The wanted but unrequested changes, I suppose we should let Wikia know about and see if we can get an okay before keeping them. -- Deltaneos (talk) 03:18, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, everything appears to be in order insofar as admins adding/removing rights is concerned (based solely on what appears on Special:UserRights, and without actually testing).

Should we just test the mover group on one of the bot accounts, since those are already set up?

Yeah, it'd be better to get confirmation that they're intended rather than just assuming they are and having them taken from us.

Would there be any problem with you posting a transcript of the email conversation? It's not really that important, but I'm a bit curious as to what was said. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 03:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

I guess one of the bots would be a better option since they're already autoconfirmed. I don't know if you can use the additional rights mover has without the basic "move", which non-autoconfirmed users don't have. (Although that would be interesting to check, in which case I have a User:Deltaneos=test left over from Forum:Chat help!.) We should maybe remove the bot flag since bot already has a few of the mover rights. VSTF can still remove bot flags. I don't think anyone would mind if I used that for testing this.

I don't see any problem with showing the email transcript for this particular request:

Could we get a custom user group called "mover", with the following rights: "movefile", "noratelimit" and "suppressredirect" on the Yu-Gi-Oh! wiki (http://yugioh.wikia.com)?

In Yu-Gi-Oh! almost everything is released in Japan first and gets renamed when released in English, rather than use a direct translation. Each card page has a few related pages and images, all of which need to be renamed whenever the card is renamed. When a new set with new cards is released in English, this can mean hundreds of page moves. A lot of non-administrator users are slowed down and unable to finish renaming something without these page move related rights.

We have a forum discussing this here: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Some_new_usergroups

Thank you.

Hello Deltaneos,

Thanks for contacting Wikia. I have set up the user group "mover" this morning. Please keep in mind that these things are honestly a bit hard to set up, so it's entirely within the realms of possibility that it will need a few more tweaks to get just right. Please test the right out and make sure it does function the way you intended.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 14:40, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Which one shall we try with, then, yours or mine?

Yeah, that would be interesting to check, though I don't think we'd ever actually make use of it even if it does turn out to work. ;)

Aah, interesting. Who was it that replied? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 16:49, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

How about you try it with Dinobot1000 and I'll try it with Deltaneos=test? It was DaNASCAT who replied. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:16, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Actually it turns out Deltaneos=test is autoconfirmed. We can just test with that one. If you want to test yourself, I can still remove Dinobot's bot flag temporarily if you like. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:21, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, I'm fine just using Deltaneos=test. We both still want to try granting and revoking the usergroup, though, to make sure everyone who should be able to do so, actually can do so, right?

I kinda figured that's who it was. =D

Have you asked yet about the stuff we got that you didn't ask for? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:28, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, we should both try granting/revoking. You can go ahead and be the first if you like. No, I haven't replied to his email yet. I was waiting until we test it first. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:34, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I've granted mover; do you want to try moving a file or something to make sure it works properly before I test revoking? Also, are we just testing mover, or should I test rollback as well? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:39, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Movefile, noratelimit and suppressredirect all work okay and I've no problem revoking or granting the right. Yeah, go ahead test revoking and adding/revoking rollback too. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:49, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Revoking mover and granting/revoking rollback all appear to work as intended. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:56, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Okay, next step is letting Wikia know about the things that need tweaking. Is this email draft okay?

Thanks very much for setting up the "mover" usergroup.

We've tested it for problems. Admins and bureaucrats have no problem adding and removing the group from accounts and a user with the "mover" rights is able to do everything that they should.

There were however a few unrequested changes to what groups admins and bureaucrats can change:
• http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights mentions a "patroller" group that admins and bureaucrats can add and remove. However that group doesn't seem to exist. A "patroller" group was mentioned in the forum I linked in the last email, but we didn't actually decide to request that one. Sorry if there was any confusion.
• Admins are now able to add and remove "rollback".
• Bureaucrats are now able to add "bot".
• Bureaucrats are no longer able to remove "bot" or "admin".

All of these changes were unrequested, so should probably be undone. Admins being able to add/remove "rollback" and bureaucrats being able to add "bot", I think are positive changes for this wiki, but since they weren't officially requested I can understand if we can't keep them.

Discussion about the change can be viewed at http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Dinoguy1000#New_mover_group if needed for whatever reason.

Thank you.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 18:17, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Looks okay; I've made a couple tweaks (including a link back to this discussion in the event Wikia staff would like more info on our side of things, though I'm not terribly satisfied with how it reads =/ ). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:26, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, sent. Sorry, I should have sent it hours ago. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:13, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Here's the reply:

Hey Deltaneos,

Yep, sorry, the group permissions for adding/removing groups are often the hardest to set up because usually it requires some knowledge about the group structure already plus an understanding of all the user groups.

If sysops +/- rollback and bureaucrats adding bots is within your community's best interest, I will gladly keep those rights. We have no issue with that happening. I have in the interim removed references to the 'patroller' group. That was part of the default value of the variable that does not apply obviously for YuGiOh.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 19:21, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, glad to know they're letting us keep that stuff. =D *goes off to give Golden Key mover rights* 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:29, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I've started a forum to discuss what to do next: Forum:User groups and requests. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:31, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Help with my wikia?

Please can you help me edit my wikia ----> http://yugiohpedia.wikia.com —This unsigned comment was made by Xicor12 (talk • contribs) 00:25, March 7, 2012

Hello Xicor12, unfortunately I am not looking to get involved on any other wikis at this time - I am already active at between two and four (depending how I count) and the main maintainer at one other, so I really don't have time for any other wikis at this time.

If, however, you have something specific you need help with, I'd be more than happy to help. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:59, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

My favorite part of that wikia is how it's just a copy and paste of our wikia. >_> --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 01:21, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that as well...Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 01:30, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Except that we can comment on those stuffs over there instead. --F r e d C a t 01:34, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

RE: ISO 639 for the Greek name parameter?

Yea, I think we should change it to "elname". If so then what about if we make a user-bot to do the job of changing the parameter "grname" to "elname"? ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 18:24, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Six Samurai

Hey Dinoguy. I've just combed through The Six Samurai Deck, and there is basically nothing worth integrating into the main article. Highlights on the page include a suggestion to use "Elemental Burst". Otherwise it's saying everything the "Six Samurai" page is, but with less gooder wording. Can I just turn the thing into a redirect? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:57, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, sounds fine to me. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:01, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Odd image problem

Very odd problem here. When I attempted to move File:UratraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png to File:UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png. I get the following message: "Unable to write to file "/images/y/yugioh/images/5/55/UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png": file exists."

But the file doesn't exist. I've never encountered this error before and I've moved more card images in the past than I can count. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:56, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110803061535/yugioh/images/5/55/UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png does exist; it looks like a thumbnail version of UratraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png (though I have no idea why it should exist when there is no image with the name "UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png" uploaded). This is probably something for Special:Contact. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:33, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Similar stuff happened to me before. Bypassed it by creating random stuff at the page (in this case UltraC-JP-Anime-ZX.png), then delete it and then move. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:38, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Good to know; thanks for the tip. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 08:39, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Ha, didn't work. Might have been for a different error, but I'm sure I've seen that error message before. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:48, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Ok fixed, same steps, but by uploading an image to the file name instead of the creating page with random stuff. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:53, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Weird... There appears to be some residual glitchiness around the old filename, too (at least for me); it still has the category. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 09:01, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Payment

http://www.crazycheapcostumes.com/files/productsimages/BS_P/57274.jpg

I threw in extras because you're awesome. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 20:18, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sweet! =D 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:23, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

And now:

But on an un-mystery box related note, I'm having an issue similar issue to Cheesedude's, I think. I was going to move File:Shun.jpg to File:John.jpg, but that was already taken. So I moved what was at John.jpg to File:Jean.jpg. I then accidentally moved Shun.jpg to File:Johnn.jpg, but I can't move it to John.jpg. It says it's already taken. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:00, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Is it a cookie? =D

I don't think all the bugs related to moving files around have been worked out of MediaWiki quite yet; I'd be willing to bet renaming a file and then renaming another file to the first file's original name is one case. In this case, it's because File:John.jpg still showed as having the image history, so MediaWiki prevented you from moving File:Shun.jpg/File:Johnn.jpg over it. I went ahead and did so, deleting the history MediaWiki claimed was still there, and it seems to be fine. (Short answer: don't feel bad, this required an admin to fix ;) ) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:27, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Looks like there are still limits to my phenomenal cosmic power, other than the itty bitty living space.

I just noticed on the Masked HERO page, after the list of HERO Cards there's some vandalism that I can't get to. I'm sure you'll know where to go to remove it. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 02:45, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not seeing anything myself; is it still there for you? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:02, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

It was the words "Da fuck?", and was still there until a few minutes ago when I null edited. I screen capped it, will upload a picture when I get home. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:28, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

http://imgur.com/eHyS4 was what I was seeing there, for the record. Glad I had the fortitude to screencap before trying the null edit.--Golden Key (talk • contribs) 22:14, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

All right, that was an edit to {{HERO}} which was reverted shortly after by PoirotH. There's a chance some of the pages that transclude it haven't had their caches updated yet; if you come across any others, a null edit should fix them. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 23:57, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Deck help

Hi I'm fairly new to this i was wondering if you would like to glance at the decks I have listed on my web page and if you have any advice on them? K Chester 18:58, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hi K Chester, unfortunately I'm really not the person to ask when it comes to decks. I'd instead recommend that you ask in the Deck Help forum. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:16, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Evigishki

Evigiski is a sub-archtype of Gishki, as Neo Flamvell is a sub archetype Flamvell, as XX-Saber is a sub-archetype of X-Saber, as The Fabled is a sub-archetype of Fabled, as Genex Ally and R-Genex are sub-archetypes of Genex, so on and so forth. Gishki support supports Evigishkis, they even contain the same Japanese word "Ritua". --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:43, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Gishki support cards only support Gishki cards, they don't support Evigishki cards. The reason Evigishkis are supported by Gishki support cards is because Evigishkis are also Gishkis. This is true for every other case where an archetype has a sub-series, like the other examples you listed. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:47, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sir, I think you just contradicted yourself. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 04:49, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

No, I didn't. Read the lore of a Gishki support card. Do you see "Evigishki" anywhere there?

I've put a lot of thought into just about every aspect related to archetypes and series you might care about over the past few months, and this is one thing I've thought particularly about. If a Gishki support card were to be considered an Evigishki support card as well, we would also have to treat it as support for every individual Gishki card.

Archetypes are a game mechanic bolted onto the game long after the basic framework was laid out, and series are a mostly in-house invention to describe groups of cards that aren't archetypes, but are clearly related to each other. In addition, archetypes still don't have a clear, official definition - in official materials, the word "archetype" has been used to describe everything from what we use it for, to Deck types, and then some; the definition we use is very much an in-house construction based on how archetype support cards are known to work. As a result, there are a lot of non-obvious details, and at first glance, some of these details may seem to be self-contradictory - like the idea that a support card supports an archetype but not any sub-archetypes or sub-series. Contradictory though it may sound, it does make sense if you properly understand how our definitions of archetypes and archetype support work (it doesn't help at all, though, that said definition is currently scattered across a number of discussions, spread over a handful of forum threads and user talk pages). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:07, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Dinoguy, calm down please. Evigishki is part of the Gishki archetype as the Japanese name contains "リチュア". Gishki support cards don't need to say "Evigishki" because Gishki is in their name. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:11, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

There was a forum discussion for this somewhere. I think it was concluded the way Dinoguy has said. IIRC, it was about HERO. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:15, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Now I'm wondering if either of you understands what I'm trying to point out. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:18, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

It confused me when it was concluded like that as well at first, but one of the reasons is that if we use SMW to search for Gishki Support (and do not support Evigishki), it won't work. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:31, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

But, this isn't about SMW or any of that. I was simply just putting on the Evigishki page that Evigishkis are a sub-archetype of Gishki. Then, this all happened. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:37, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

I am calm. Please don't suggest I'm losing my temper; it's not true and only serves to distract from the topic of discussion.

Gishki support cards specifically require cards with the string "リチュア" in their Japanese name. This means they explicitly support the Gishki archetype. They do not, however, mention anything about cards with "イビリチュア" in their Japanese name, meaning support for the Evigishki archetype is only implicit, because "イビリチュア" just happens to contain "リチュア" (in most cases, this is intentional, but there are cases where the only logical conclusion is that it's an accident (that is, when an archetype gained a support card, no one was thinking that sub-archetypes would also be supported by that card); the most obvious is, perhaps, Knight and Gem-Knight). Cheesedude and I decided some time ago that, in cases such as this, archsupport cards should not be tagged as also being archsupport for sub-archetypes or sub-series; this discussion is basically addressing the reverse of that.

I understand exactly what you're trying to argue: you see no functional distinction for saying a Gishki support card supports Gishki cards, and that it supports Evigishki cards, and that therefore, the Evigishki archetype is supported by the Gishki support card. You are absolutely, 100% correct in this conclusion, and without a very deep understanding of the various repercussions caused by this interpretation, it is the only reasonable conclusion. I have, however, spent months thinking about this and other issues revolving around archetypes and archsupport, to the point that I'm likely among the most knowledgeable people in existence for how archetypes work. You are more than entitled to ask me to explain myself (in many cases, this forces me to reexamine the issue, which may let me better understand it myself, or even cause me to realize that my own thinking on it is flawed), but when I have explained my reasoning as clearly and succinctly as I can, it no longer does any good to continue challenging me with the same arguments and logic. In this case, I have explained my logic clearly and succinctly; the problem is that the nuances here are subtle enough to be completely missed unless you're willing to take the time to think about them, and it doesn't seem like you are. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:41, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, but I'm not asking you to go back to all of the archetype support cards and put that they support sub-archetypes, that would be redundant. I put "sub-archetype" on the Evigishki page so that it would match pages like Neo Flamvell, XX-Saber, and The Fabled. I was by no means trying to undermine the months of work you did. You are over-thinking my edit. I take full responsibility for the misunderstanding I created. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 05:48, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

All right, after your most recent reply to Falzar, I thought that was your hang-up, but I wasn't sure.

The phrases "sub-series" and "sub-archetype", as we use them (e.g. X is a sub-series of Y), mean that X is a series/archetype, and it is contained within Y (which is always an archetype itself; series are not denoted by some string in their Japanese names and therefore can't have sub-series/archetypes in the same sense that archetypes do). This phrase does not actually appear on Neo Flamvell, XX-Saber, or The Fabled, all three of which are themselves series, and all three of which use a more verbose, but much less confusing, wording (one that I think we should start using across-the-board, to prevent future confusion of this type) that makes it clear that they, and not the group they are contained in, are series.

Sorry about the wall-of-text comments above, and what must surely have seemed like an increasingly annoyed/irritated attitude; as much as I enjoy thinking about stuff like this (that's why I spend so much time with templates ;) ), the more I think about it in one go - particularly when it has very subtle distinctions as this did - the more brusque I tend to get in discussing it, even when my actual intent remains unchanged. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:01, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Once again, I apologize since the misunderstanding was mostly my fault. And hopefully you noticed that I did go change the wording on Evigishki to more closely match the wording on other similar pages. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 02:54, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

No problem, and I'm certainly partly to blame myself. =) I noticed the change, but didn't actually see you were the one to do it; I usually check pages via email notifications, so I get a bundle of edits in one diff, and normally don't check each individual edit unless there's vandalism or I'm curious about something. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:36, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Two things.

I recall you saying at a the second of three forum discussions that the familiars depicted with the "Charmers" and their derivatives count as archrelation. I'm not sold on the idea. Take the Gagagigo (series), for example. He's depicted fighting both "Blazing Inpachi" and "Invader of Darkness" multiple times, fighting with and alongside "Freed the Brave Wanderer" and "Marauding Captain" in multiple other card artworks. "Kozaky" was also also implied to be involved with his transformations. Do all those count as archrelation? Going by the "Charmer" logic, they sort of do, I think. So it's a slippery slope. I propose we just declare all card artwork stuff to NOT be archrelation, including the "Charmer" stuff. The archetype pages can mention that, as can the card trivia.

A different issue, see here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:54, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I've never had an understanding of what archrelated is supposed to be, though I have had some idea of what it's not supposed to be; it's still the same now. If you've found a definition that seems to be working well enough, I'd say go ahead and run with it (as you seem to be doing) regardless of my past comments on the issue. =)

I've responded there. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:09, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'm currently going with "support cards for members of said archetype/series"), something that is clearly meant to be related (like "Lumenize" to "Photon". Its Japanese name is "Photonize", but does not contain the Japanese text for "Photon") and "stuff that I can't be sure isn't related because I have no knowledge of Duel Terminal storylines). There's also things that are related via anime effects. And stuff like all the "Neo-Spacians" being related to "Neos" and "Elemental HERO" via fusions and "Chrysalis" via them being infant forms. And flavor text, like "Mad Lobster" to "Dark World". When I'm actually done, I may compile a list of what constitutes archrelation, which couuld always be modified if new circumstances arise.

I know. I got an email notification and a "LOL NEW MESSAGE" giant orange box at the top of every page until I check it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:15, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, a list would definitely be nice. =)

Now I'm gonna have to add some custom CSS to add a lolface to the new messages bar... =D 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:18, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't think you were serious. Going off of Golden Key's point, if you want an image from the anime, I can find you one. I have several in mind, actually. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:47, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

If you want to, that's fine with me, but like I said there, I'll probably just end up looking for an image on Wikipedia or something. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:22, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Aww man, come on. It'd be great to have something Yu-Gi-Oh related. Cheesedude, I'd love to see your suggestions. I might have a few as well. Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:06, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to make suggestions; I still haven't gotten around to looking myself. ;) Any you suggest need to look reasonable at 40px high (or shorter), though; I don't want a massive new messages bar. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:33, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Shadow hide you.

*reverse pocketpick this proof then sneak out* --F r e d C a t 20:18, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Is this what you were getting at? (Or did you intend for me to read that section?) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:21, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I am aware of that - I just pass the message where he didn't revealing it to you; at least it did some miracle. --F r e d C a t 20:23, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Vocabulary Question

I know it's little offtopic here, but I know you're well rely to know most the words... I am trying to remember this word that started or at least have the word; "Clock"... you know, something that moving in rotate, one is normal (like real clock, to the right) and other is counter... (to the left, oppose to the right). I am just struggle to get this word out of my mouth... All I could remember was "Clockcounter"... --F r e d C a t 23:42, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Counterclockwise? --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 23:48, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Ahh... "Wise" was the word I am missing :| How irony... Thank you for a quickly answer, friend. --F r e d C a t 23:54, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

No prob, I'm the dictionary/thesaurus at work. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:06, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Apologize for distract you for nothing. From this point on, I will just ask Golden Key whenever I forgot a word, thank you for your attention and let's hope this resolved quickly. --F r e d C a t 00:16, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to ask me about his stuff anyways if you want; I'm a bit of a walking dictionary/thesaurus myself. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:34, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Artwork Gallery

As if you have noticing that I was updating couple of Card Artworks articles - I was thinking of the "Gallery" itself should be unique for Artwork itself only, almost like Errata's "Gallery", if you know what I mean. If so, then we should make it complete anew instead of using the one from Card Gallery box - because it's not suit for that article. Why not? --F r e d C a t 12:27, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I've been thinking about making a new card gallery template for a long time, actually. The biggest problem is that it's not easy to work with the <gallery/> tag's markup in templates, and that we don't have very much formatting in the galleries beyond that, so it becomes a question of whether the complexities associated with a template are outweighed by the benefits of having a template to enforce one formatting style. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 01:37, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

How about make them Look like this <artwork>, just similar to all Galleryheader and Navigation stuffs you (and your buddies) had creating in the past? So that way would be unique only for Artwork articles... If this is not good idea, then just say a word - it was just a suggest after all. --F r e d C a t 01:45, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

That would require a new extension; we can't install those (though with the proper knowledge, I could write one). The best I could do would be an {{Artwork table}} template, which would largely duplicate the current {{Errata table}} template. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 02:22, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking - so let's take it slow for now; after all, we have many friends around this site who can help us hauling it up to workable. I know this can stress you to do the all work, but I don't want that to happening, such as Falzar and Delta can dupe them into other relate-article, only to let you add a little code that can judge the difference (like sexual affection being removed, religious cut out, etc.) --F r e d C a t 17:12, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I can create the template without too much trouble, but there's no way it could determine what's different between two images; that would still require a person. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:15, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

That's why I don't want to pressure you for that, just let above people come in the room and party around to get them straight up. --F r e d C a t 17:16, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Other language anime lores.

Attempted to add one for Portuguese, but it doesn't seem to have work. We also need one for Italian. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:04, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'll have a look. Should I add one for any other languages while we're at it? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 16:55, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Haven't come across any more yet, but when I do, I'll try to add them if I can figure out what I did wrong with the pt one based on your edit. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:01, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:03, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't see anything wrong with your addition; could you link to a page that uses the parameter? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:08, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't the addition that was the problem, it was how he was entering them into the pages. I just fixed Ancient Giant. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:47, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I realized that after seeing Dark Magician Girl the Dragon Knight, and in fact typed out an update here, but apparently didn't save it. >.> 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:07, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Um, why are those parameters using underscores when the regular "animelore" does not? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:39, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

See the reasoning in my last comment here. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:13, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

yes，its chinese.i just want to do [[ ]] for chinese lore--Lieyanqzu (talk • contribs) 15:34, March 24, 2012 (UTC)lieyanqzu

Annoyance Article

I am aware that we can blocking the article from being edit or move, and very well aware that we can't block the non-existence article, like "Squiddy" and all those craps... Please be sure to watch them for create that article again, I saw them done that twice so far... Only because of the user that has the name in DuelingNetwork; I am sure you didn't know about that - but he don't exist for Yu-Gi-Oh! since of all official shit. If you see one, do your job; destroy it or just lock it up to prevent the repeat spamming stuff. --F r e d C a t 03:46, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Falzar salted it indefinitely. Unfortunately, there were about 7 or 8 people recreating it, meaning it's probably a coordinated attack; this also means it can't be stopped simply by blocking IPs, and that, now that "Squiddy" is salted, they may simply move to a different title. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:15, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

That's just waste of the time... Created an article on a person that don't belong to Yu-Gi-Oh? They must losing their mind already. --F r e d C a t 11:33, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Tokens

Tokens do qualify as archetype members, yes? They don't seem to be showing up in the navbox at "Cloudian" (though I can't think of any other tokens that would be archetype members off-hand). Going to try to look into the "Sheep Cloud Token"/"Cloudian Token" difference. It could be that both articles were created independent of one another without regard for the Japanese names (one or both could just be presumptions). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:39, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Checked both version of episode 111. The dub uses "Cloud Tokens" (and makes five mistakes in the process). I can't find a sub, but I'm not hearing the phonetic pronunciations for "Sheep Cloud Token" or "Cloudian Token" in a raw. Which means they were originally called neither of those things are or the romaji readings with have for them are wrong (one of which I added myself). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:33, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

That's the presumption I've been operating under (and I remember either seeing some other tokens added as members of another archetype, or adding them myself; I don't remember which tokens or archetype, but I do remember observing the same behavior in regards to the navbox). As for tokens not appearing in {{Archetype navbox}}, that would be a result of the queries in that template as opposed to anything in {{CardTable2}}; if you look through the properties of a token that's tagged as an archetype member but doesn't appear in that archetype's navbox, you'll see that the appropriate property is present and has the correct value. I'm not at all sure this could be fixed just by adjusting the queries used, and is yet another reason the property system needs an overhaul.

It makes sense to me that "Sheep Cloud Token" would use the same name as its parent card, since that seems in my experience to be the general pattern for named tokens. However, the anime has done far stupider/weirder things. =/ 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:43, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ok.

Alright, here's what I'll do. I'll see if WinterNightmare can find a better quality image of File:CloudianSheepCloud-JP-Anime-GX.png. Then I'll ask Ryusui to give me a direct translation of what the text says. Then we'll know which (if either) token was intended. Then I'll have him check to see what the OCG card says as well. They could have also changed the token's name when it came out in the TCG and then given it another name in the dub. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:56, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:01, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Voice actors

Hi Dinoguy. Could you restore Marc Thompson and explain to PoirotH that we're making our own? Though he has a page, most of the wikipedia redirects don't actually go anywhere. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 21:41, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Done and done. If you're planning on making any more such articles yourself, I'd recommend holding off until PoirotH responds to my message and we see what he says. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:51, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

That would be wise. Don't want to get into an edit war with a guy who might block me on a whim. :)

Somewhat related, shouldn't the "Collectors Tin" pages be "Collector's Tin" pages? I was just looking through the deletion file and saw PoirotH deleted the Collectors Tin page twice, but the 2009 version looks like it had information that was worth keeping. I'm thinking maybe that one could be restored and renamed, with some additional info added. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:17, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure, actually, having never looked particularly deeply into it. The "Tins" section on the Yugioh-Card.com products page calls them "Collectible" (except for the Duelist Pack tins, which it calls "Collection"); I don't know what UDE called the tins they released before they lost distribution rights.

I'm not seeing any deletions for that title; did you link the wrong one? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 16:54, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Yes I did. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 17:18, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

There wasn't much there when PoirotH first deleted that page:

Collector Tins are a way of getting a certain card and 5 boosters packs in one. You get a tin with the drawing of the card printed on it, the card, the newest booster packs, and sometimes card sleeves. OCG tins have the things in it printed on the tin.

The more recent content was just a misused preload. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:27, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

There's only one link to the page (other then the one here on your talk page). I just looked, and apparently you're the one who linked it back in October. I didn't realize that when I asked you about this. Small site, eh? I guess at one point of time you did think it was worth a page after all. :) --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 18:00, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

It seems currently, the closest we have to a general page on tins (that I can find, at least) is Collector Tin Series Promos. Really, the tins pages are a bit of a mess, even after Look234's cleanup of them last year. I think it'd probably be best to start with an article on Tin to cover all the various tins, from the original Booster Pack Tins all the way up to the current Collection/Collectible Tins (and also covering OCG tins), and work out from there to articles on the aforementioned Booster Pack Tin, Collection Tin (with a redirect from Duelist Pack Tin), and Collectible Tin, and then on out to the individual by-year tin series. We may want to have individual tin pages in the end as well, e.g. Galaxy-Eyes Photon Dragon Collectible Tin, to match the Yugioh-Card.com product pages, which are also per-tin. What do you think? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:54, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds like a very good plan. Admittedly I'm more of a fixer than a creator, so if we could get a few others with experience making such pages on board it'd be pretty helpful. We also have toy pages (File:CyberEndDragonMF02-EN-UPR-PlusToy.jpg) in need of creation... --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:13, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

My talk page is watched by a fair number of other editors; I'm sure someone will see this and find it interesting enough to work on it. =) In the meantime, I may do a bit of work on it myself, though first I'll have to decide what kind of lede sounds good (it's not easy writing about something as generic as "tins" in general without using the term to describe itself). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:32, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

On that note, I think our articles on boosters in general need cleanup. In many, they seem to be directly quoting the advertisements for them. Aside from not referencing where the content originally came from, there's zero reason to be directly quoting the ads to begin with. That said, I'm certainly not the person who's going to be cleaning those up either. Definitely not my department. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:41, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, there's definitely lots and lots and lots of work to be done on pretty much all of our set-related articles; first and foremost, I need to get the set version of CardTable2 to a working state so we can actually start deploying it and enjoying the benefits of template-enforced standardization across set articles (this would also allow me to finally make further progress on a few other template projects which've been in limbo for a couple of years now). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:50, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Edit summary trick

I'm curious. What trick did you use to leave an edit summary on a page which has the field hidden by default? -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:15, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

I used Google Chrome's element inspector to disable the "display: none;" CSS rule (I'll have to copy your user CSS to unhide it so I don't have to do that in the future). ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 16:56, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Archetype List

I know it's been 6 months since last time you created that article, but it showed no box of list of the needed monsters... or card if you called them. It's like a naked article with title and box that lead to other stuffs instead. Should updating it? --F r e d C a t 00:51, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I've deleted it, since its main article was deleted in January. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:01, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

At least it's burn down without fear of losing a soul... --F r e d C a t 20:44, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

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