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Welcome to the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia, feel free to ask me if you have doubts. You may also like to take a look to our FAQ if you have questions. --Dragon Slayer (Contribs Count) 04:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


Schweet Deck! --ThatDevilGuy 06:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Articles MergeEdit

Do not worry about that, I got Falzar or someone who noticed that to cover it up for your trouble. I had learn of "Merge" when there was warring on "Dark Magicians" article with other article simple to it and brought it up to here. So I hope it helped your request better. --FredCat 01:53, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

It appeared that Dinoguy1000 (talk contribs) got it covering, so your request is now completed. :-3 --FredCat 02:16, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


Please remember to add the card number and set number categories when you make the respective redirects. Thank you. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 20:33, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

Luca, again, remember to add the categories. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 12:38, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Image UploadingEdit

Please upload your image as .png, as .jpgs will be deleted in favor of .png files. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 06:40, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Dragons of LegendEdit

Can I have the link for where you're getting the DOL info, please? Much appreciated, Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 06:41, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, the info is from pictures on this poster at (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 07:03, February 18, 2014 (UTC))
Ah, cool. Thanks. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 07:04, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, well, I hope I've been useful to the wiki. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 07:07, February 18, 2014 (UTC))
Of course you have. There's a reason I asked you the source instead of reverting - I've seen you editing around the wiki and know it would be unlikely you were adding false stuff. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 07:09, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. Just glad to help. Hope my translation of Number 23: Spirit Knight of the Underworld is accurate. My Japanese is rather rough, but I needed somewhere to put the picture. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 07:11, February 18, 2014 (UTC))

((Card table set))Edit

Hey, I've noticed that you've been adding in {{Card table set}} to cards that are in Star Pack 2014. However, you've been messing up a little. When you input {{Card table set/header|XX}} for the Spanish, Japanese and Korean set products, you need to put in "es", "ja" and "ko" respectively, otherwise they get messed up. The reason is that those are the correct language abbreviations according to the ISO 639-2 Language Code List. I've fixed "Odin" already, but when you have the time, please fix the other cards. Thanks. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 17:49, February 21, 2014 (UTC)

Repeating myself again, you just did it for "Tanngnjostr of the Nordic Beasts". Check the history to see how you should do it, looking at my edit. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 15:59, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

Why edit the eye of timeus and dark magician the dragon knight?

Anzu-chan4ever (talkcontribs) 07:07, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

Editing "Numbers Page"Edit

Mate, wouldn't be best to keep it as "Legendary Numbers" Rather than the English version name? It is quite an annoyance. So I hope you reconsider and stop editing it into English version names. (I am not saying that you are wrong. I am saying "Let's just keep it original"). Ultimate Yggdrasil 11:11, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Imagine Breaker / Phantom World BreakthroughEdit

Please refrain from adding your own translated names/effects for newly spoiled cards. It just adds to more misinformation, as the last effect you gave was completely incorrect. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 18:30, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Mover rightsEdit

Hi Lucafriz. I've given you mover rights, as I believe you can make use of them. hen moving card sub-pages (such as galleries and trivia pages), you can now suppress the redirects. If you move images, please suppress those redirects as well. Let me know if you need any help with anything. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 01:46, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Don ThousandEdit

Can you plz tell me what are those Don Thousand's cards? And those weird attributes?
LionHeartKIng (talkcontribs) 09:34, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Card Errata pagesEdit

You should be doing this instead. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 16:30, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Page movesEdit

Please be careful not to suppress the redirect when moving the main card pages. I know it starts to become a habit when doing multiple page moves, I've accidentally done it myself in the past. Just try to be aware of it. Thank you for doing so many page moves, BTW. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:11, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Well, no problem. Admittedly, yes, I did suppress the redirects due to habit. I'll keep that in mind for next time. Is not suppressing the redirect for moving the main card pages meant to benefit anyone who searches for the card using the OCG name? (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 17:15, October 31, 2014 (UTC))
Exactly. In addition, its important before the links are updated everywhere else, but they should be retained afterwards as well. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:21, October 31, 2014 (UTC)
Alright then. I was wondering if you could move the "Subspace Wyrmhole" page to "Celestia", the official TCG name as seen here: I can't move the page myself since "Celestia" already exists as a redirect to "Celestia, Lightsworn Angel". Thanks. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 17:24, October 31, 2014 (UTC))
Sure, I'll get it. Thanks for letting me know. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 17:26, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

V Jump promo galleriesEdit

I'm not sure what you're doing in VisualEditor to cause this, but could you please stop putting <nowiki> tags around {{Card name}}? It prevents the Japanese name from displaying. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 01:28, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Strange, those tags weren't there when I created the articles in Visual Editor. I edited the latest page I created and only saw them there, so I manually deleted them. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 01:42, December 19, 2014 (UTC))


You realize the poll page specifically says "names subject to change", right? We probably shouldn't be moving these. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 04:00, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Huh, no I didn't see that. I thought it was ok to move them since people have done it in the past for past Shonen Jump polls. Also, cards like Number S39: Utopia Prime were moved to the name given by the poll, even though that card didn't win the poll and hasn't yet been printed. So, should names like Utopia Prime be retained in that sense, since if it's "subject to change", it might be changed when printed in the TCG. Apologies for any inconvenience caused. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 04:03, January 22, 2015 (UTC))

Reo = ProfessorEdit

From the way you said it, it sounded like it was a fact. But can you answer this? --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 03:11, January 27, 2015 (UTC)


Hey Lucafriz, the Igknight monsters were created under the name "Ignite" a couple hours or so ago; see List of "Ignite" cards. Could you redirect one set of pages to the other (I don't know which would be the "preferred" name)? Thanks! ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 09:30, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I had no idea at all that the pages were already created under "Ignite" when I created the "Igknight" pages. I took the names from ygorganization, so I'm guessing that the other ones are wrong. I assume that "Igknight" is the correct name, since they are apparently a sub-archetype of the "Knight" archetype. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 09:32, March 5, 2015 (UTC))
Don't worry about it, and that's sound enough reasoning for me. =) ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 09:35, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I apologize for any inconvenience caused, since I entered the card names as "Igknight" under "Create an article" and no articles were there under that name, so I thought the wiki didn't yet have pages. Since you are an admin, I suppose you could do the actual pagemoves? I can do stuff like move the images. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 09:39, March 5, 2015 (UTC))
I don't think any moves are needed (though correct me if I'm wrong here); just redirecting the "Ignite" pages to the "Igknight" ones. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 10:03, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
I'm not 100% sure what the policy is, but I know some other admins like UltimateKuriboh prefer to have as little redirects as possible, and so they delete "unnecessary" ones. But I'd figure you're more in the know about this wiki's policy than I am. I guess I can redirect the "ignite" pages to the "Igknight" ones and maybe another admin can do a more through clean-up if needed. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 10:07, March 5, 2015 (UTC))
Well i created those pages with the initial translation of "ygorganization" which was "Ignite" (now changed to "Igknight"). Plus i did put up the links on the CORE listings. So, a simple "Renaming" would have worked. Now we have to get someone to delete either of the articles. Would be better to inform about this to a Admins or someone who can delete articles.--Supratim1986 (talkcontribs) 10:09, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
Well, Dinoguy is an admin and can do it. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 10:12, March 5, 2015 (UTC))
I think it would be better to delete the ones i created (since the ones u created already have most of it properly linked). But before that we have to move some info from it, like the Japanese text.--Supratim1986 (talkcontribs) 10:14, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, alright, that works. Sorry, I had no clue you already created pages, otherwise, I would have simply moved them instead. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 10:16, March 5, 2015 (UTC))
(outdent) Again, I don't believe any deletions are necessary here. I'm aware of Ult's views on redirects, as well as the underlying reasons for them (the main one being that redirects appear in the autocomplete dropdown in the search box, which can complicate navigation if you use that as a primary means of getting around the wiki and finding stuff), and if he wants to go ahead and delete these redirects I won't complain, but I don't see any reason to do so myself. =) ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:23, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
Well, you're the admin, and if that's your view on the matter, than in my opinion, that's all there is to it and I have nothing more to add. I would leave any final says on such things to the admins anyway. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 23:53, March 5, 2015 (UTC))

German dubEdit

UltimateKuriboh warned me twice about this. Don't rename character/place pages until the English dub of ARC-V officially airs, or if the dubbing network or voice actors reveal the official English names. ChaosGallade (talkcontribs) 17:38, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

As quoted by NeoArkadia (in a chat), "Germany works under same source as English dub it looks for the art edits... Main characters should remain the same between German version and English version... Usually the German dub sticks with the 4Kids dub as due to contractual issues." Unfortunately, he forgot that the title of the article was ambiguous, and due to his opinions, didn't bother specifying that this has only been confirmed for the German dub (which you could only see in the source he cited). Please be careful and check the source to make sure it is actually confirmation for the English dub. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 17:46, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

Page movesEdit

Please treat the anime subpages as "main" pages, meaning try not to suppress the redirects (once again, I have done it myself, it happens), but just a reminder. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 03:33, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

hi!. is nishibach, karakuki an effect card?

Calmwinds07 (talkcontribs) 02:13, November 11, 2015 (UTC) calmwinds sorry!!!

Treated as Normal MonsterEdit

What did you mean by this edit? --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 03:26, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

{{Card table set}}Edit

For {{Card table set}} in Korean languages, please use |kr instead of |ko. If you see any instances where |ko is being used instead, it'd be appreciated if you could change them. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 19:54, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

YGO GrammarEdit

Regarding your edit, please refer to the "Rescue Cat" example at Yu-Gi-Oh!:Manual of style#Apostrophes for proper apostrophe usage when it comes to card names. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 09:33, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Updating property pagesEdit

When you update property pages, make sure that for Anime/Manga you use [[Card type::Monster Card]], rather than the [[Card category::Monster Card]] you use for TCG/OCG monsters. Otherwise, the query will not return any results. --SnorlaxMonster 08:58, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Your newest categoryEdit

Could you please stop adding them to pages? We have no idea what the definition of "procedure" is... you're only deriving it from the text of "Void Expansion", which applies to monsters that cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Check Card Rulings:Vampire Grace; there is a difference in how these Summons are treated. And we don't know if the term "procedure" describes both types of Summons (treated as an effect, or not treated as an effect). —This unsigned comment was made by UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 17:15, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

I intended the category to be for any card which says You can only Special Summon <insert card here> once per turn this way. (and we already have a decent number of those, so I thought they could go into a category). Admittedly, I wasn't actually sure what to call the actual category, I thought about "method" at first, but I used "procedure" since I knew it to be official wording. The short end of it is that the category was meant for cards that can only be Special Summoned once per turn through whatever means is listed on the card. Is such a category needed or not, and if so, would there be a better name for such a category? (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 18:46, February 27, 2016 (UTC))
Well, I don't expect it's a term that's going to be officially identified any time soon... so I guess that's vague enough to use in the meantime. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 05:54, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

RE:Hippo Token pagesEdit

There should be no individual "MPB Token" pages. If they do exist, then they should all be redirects to the "Mecha Phantom Beast Token" page. If there are such pages that aren't redirects, please let me know. Regarding the individual "Sheep Token" pages... the only reason I haven't cleared those up is because nobody can effectively handle redirecting everything on each of their pages to the "Sheep Token" page; when they do decide to do it, they have to do all the pages at once (and it's a lot of work), otherwise you end up with a half-assed attempt. That's the only reason there are separate "Sheep Token" pages. So there is no other backing for separate "Hippo Token" pages to exist; if people want to check out their different artworks, they can check the Card Gallery (and maybe Card Artworks page?). --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 01:49, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

To my knowledge, they're neutral on the matter, apart from Deltaneos, who's helping shape the policy on Token cards. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 04:24, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
I don't remember the exact details, but...
1) Cards with generic "This is a Token" text and a unique logo (such as Token (Kaiba & Yugi - The Dark Side of Dimensions)) get their own unique pages.
2) Cards with specific names (as seen in their name boxes), such as "Hippo Token", "Charisma Token", etc. get their own unique pages.
3) Cards with unique texts, such as Token (Jaden and Winged Kuriboh), get their own unique pages.
4) All other cards get relegated to the Token page. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 04:45, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
Regarding the "Moon Token": Technically, the TKN3-EN003 card isn't showing a "Moon Token" (along with the other Token cards in that Token Pack); it's just showing the card artwork of the card that produces the Token (a.k.a. "Arcana Force XVIII - The Moon"). And since the card's name is just "Token", it goes on the Token page, not the Moon Token page. The same applies for the TKN4-EN013 card (a.k.a. the MPB Harrliard Token); its name is just "Token", so it goes on the Token page, not the MPB Token page.
So yes, the trend nowadays is that Japan is making Token cards with the actual card names (and stats) of the Tokens they represent: "Infernoid Token", "Synchron Token", etc.
And you're correct, the reason that older Token pages like "Double Dude Token" don't use their real-life Token cards (a.k.a. the TKN3-EN006 card) is because there are no real-life Token cards with the name "Double Dude Token". If you look at the top of these older Token pages, you'll see a disclaimer redirecting people to the "Token" page.
There's a possibility that things might change with the release of SR02, as it has a Token card with the actual name of the Token it represents (along with its stats). However, I'm not very optimistic the TCG will change... (This sort of Token arrangement thing is also important, since that weird orb Token in SR01 might have been assumed to be a "Vassal Token", when it actually isn't.) --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 06:17, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
There's an excuse for the MPB Token: They weren't released in the same product. The Japanese Token was released in a special pack, and the English card was released as part of a reward for this tournament series. It's now or never, regarding the SR02 product. If the TCG decides to not copy Japan, problems won't occur unless they specifically say that the product has a "Great Dragon Token" card.
And no, we're not going to be making an artwork page for the "Token" page. What I can see happening though, is that the {{CardTable2}} template is eventually removed and a layout similar to the Card sleeve or Playmat page is created, allowing for easier displaying of release date and product names next to the associated Tokens. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 20:30, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 18:52, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Regarding the MPB Token: I was only referring to TCG Konami's reasoning for not using the JP formatting. "We're not releasing the Token in the same product as the Japanese, so we don't have to copy the formatting." I've handled the MPB Token pages, yes. The English MPB Token goes on the generic Token page, because it only says "Token".
I don't plan on revamping the Token page anytime soon, as my major project right now is revamping game mechanic pages (Battle Phase, replays, attacks, etc.) with cited rulings. However, if you do want to get started, all you have to do is create a sandbox page like so: User:Lucafriz/Sandbox. That way, you can experiment with formatting and take your time with designing how it looks. Personally, I'd copy the Card Gallery page and see where it goes from there. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 01:30, March 17, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, doing it this way would make the Card Gallery redundant. However, we don't need to worry about that right now. You can just prepare it in the sandbox beforehand. Feel free to experiment with different layouts. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 01:45, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

Forbidden and Limited ListsEdit

In future, if you're going to make a page for a Forbidden and Limited List, it would ideal if you didn't have a partially complete differences table (since it gives the appearance that those are all the changes); I think no differences table is better than a half-done one. If you want to make it in multiple edits (not sure why you would need to though), it's better to do that in your personal Sandbox, then copy the code over once you're done. --SnorlaxMonster 11:29, March 15, 2016 (UTC)


Please check the article's talk page. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 18:13, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about that, though I would suggest that if you want your message to be seen, to edit it into that template which proposed the page move to "Cubic". something like "Please see Talk Page". I know not many seem to look at Talk Pages very often. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 18:19, April 19, 2016 (UTC))


What was your citation for setting the Weekly Shonen Jump April 2016 membership promotional card legality date? I can't find anything that indicates it was legal on April 13th, which was the same date you made that page. I see that you copy/pasted from other pages, but if you had decided to look more carefully, you'd see that none of their legality dates match up with the "last day to sign up" dates. So, where did you find the "Relinkuriboh" banner from? --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 22:21, May 23, 2016 (UTC)


I have nominated you for adminship here. Please accept or decline the review process when you can. Thank you. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:59, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

I would hope the experience was valuable, yes. You learned of areas you could work on and that's always something to consider. I'm glad you're going to continue here. Use what you learned and perhaps a future RfA will be successful. :) Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 14:45, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

Card sub pagesEdit

Luca, I can tell what you're trying to fix, but creating pages with wrong names like that is not how you do it. You need to null edit the main card page, then null edit the sub pages for it to stop recommending you rename the subpages. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 17:18, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

Cipher EtrangerEdit

Why did you create the page as "Cipher Stranger" and not "Cipher Etranger"? At no point did the Org publish the name as "Cipher Stranger". --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 14:54, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

Monster abilityEdit

Hi Lucafriz. Monsters with abilities are, by default, Effect Monsters, so you don't have to note them like "Effect Flip monster", for instance. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 16:21, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

About the members of the Predator Plants...Edit

Since Sundew Kingii and Squid Drosera is basically based from Drosera, isn't it better to keep the previous edit?

Regards, Aolady ^o^

Nyonne (talkcontribs) 06:59, October 28, 2016 (UTC)

Reply to Predator PlantsEdit

I see. The thing is, while Moray and Ptero are based from Nepenthes, I specified the species in Ptero's page. That is why I re-grouped them again. S-sorry... ><"

Nyonne (talkcontribs) 07:53, October 28, 2016 (UTC)

Dark Contract with the Grotesque EntityEdit

Hi Lucafriz. X-Metaman says this card didn't appear in the anime. Usually, X-Metaman's information is accurate. But yours also tends to be. So, when did the card appear in the anime? Could you take a screenshot or something? Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 11:51, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

Supratim1986 is also saying it didn't. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 11:53, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

No worries. The YGOrg page does say that; I'll look into it. In any case, if the card appears in the anime, I'll just bring the page back. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 12:01, October 30, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I understand. Don't worry, no problem at all. It happens. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 12:07, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

Moving card pagesEdit

Hi Lucafriz. When you move a card page, it would be good if you could move the card images as well, to match the card name. I've noticed that you often don't move them. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 00:47, November 11, 2016 (UTC)

Also, please try to use the queue when moving batches of images; this will avoid multiple minor edits. You can read info about the queue here. If you don't know how to use the queue or have any questions/doubts, please feel free to give me a poke and I'll gladly give you a hand. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 12:11, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
No worries.
When you choose to move a file, you'll have three buttons there:
  • Rename page: This button allows you to merely rename the page. It renames File:A.png to File:B.png. Any page that was using File:A.png will still link to file "A.png". A practical example of this is if you upload a 1st Edition image of an Unlimited Edition image; you'll then change it from -1E to -UE and that's all you want to do.
  • Rename and update: Does the same as the above but also renames all the instances of File:A.png in any page (unless you uncheck Include links in all namespaces eg: [[:File:File.png]]; if you uncheck this, it will only update the links on the main namespace. I advise you to keep this checked). A practical example is if you want to rename an image that has a poor/wrong name; you'll want to update all the instances of its erroneous link. For instance, when you move a card page because the TCG name was leaked and you then want to rename the image as well.
  • Add to queue: Exactly the same thing as above, but instead of perpetuating the action immediately, it will place he file in a queue; it won't rename it nor update the instances of its links right away. This allows you to then go to another file and also place that file into the queue. And so on. When you finally have placed all the files you want to rename into the queue, go to any file page and click on the arrow on the yellow "Edit" button; the dropdown menu will open and you shall see an option named "Queue". There, you shall see all the image links you threw into the queue. Like above, check if Include links in all namespaces eg: [[:File:File.png]] is checked there (on the queue). If everything is alright, press "Execute" and only now the pages will be renamed and the instances of their links will be updated.
    The queue will rename every item at the same time (which you can't do if you use Rename and update). This means that if a page contains two of the files you want to rename, only one edit will be made into that page, instead of several, like Rename and update would do. So if you rename several card pages (like you usually do), I'd advise to, after all the renames are made, place the files for those cards on the queue and run them all together.
Don't know if I was clear. If you have more questions, let me know; this can get tricky. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 12:35, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

Requires specific Synchro Materials for its Synchro SummonEdit

Synchro Monsters are not the same as monsters that can be Tribute Summoned. Most monsters that can be Tribute Summoned have no requirements for their Tributes other than those dictated by game mechanics. On the other hand, most Synchro Monsters do have specific Material requirements, because they are printed on the cards themselves.

I think a property for Synchro Monsters that DO NOT require specific Synchro Materials would be far more useful (and smaller). --SnorlaxMonster 02:46, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

Coin tossEdit

It should be "coin toss", not "Coin Toss", by the text of "Second Coin Toss" and by the rulebook. That means: your page should be "Changes coin toss result". Also "Coin Toss" should be renamed to "Coin toss". Analogous for "Die roll".
And maybe it would be more appropriate to place them under the "action" parameter, what do you think? Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 13:31, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, there are several pages with capitalization problems. You can move these two new ones you created to "Changes coin toss result" and "Changes die roll result", if you don't mind.
I think it fits better under "action", you could place it there. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 13:45, November 15, 2016 (UTC)


Could you stop adding them please? There might be a discussion on whether or not to use personal pronouns. You can see by my recent moving of your new category. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 04:31, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

I think it's okay to proceed this way then. For instances where you're referring to "you", I believe we'd use "the player". An example would be:
Sends from the Deck to the Graveyard
*Sends from the player's Deck to the Graveyard
*Sends from the opponent's Deck to the Graveyard
However, there might be some instances where some form of "possessor" may be better instead of "player" (idk any atm). If you have any doubt with a category name, feel free to message me or Snorlax or maybe Beca. If you message me, I'll see it (at the most) within 24 hours of your message, and unless an unexpected delay occurs, I'll likely reply immediately. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 04:47, November 22, 2016 (UTC)
It's not that big of a problem, since Beca can arrange for his bot to rename categories en masse, where appropriate. I only ask this for any future categories you make. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 04:57, November 22, 2016 (UTC)
What are you intending to do with with Performs an Xyz Summon? Has it been replaced with Treats Special Summon as Xyz Summon? There's still some anime card pages left, so I'm not sure. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 16:50, December 5, 2016 (UTC)

That's a bad idea, I think. Almost all Spell/Trap Card have an effect that resolves upon the activation resolving. If you mean S/Ts with other effects, well, "Call of the Haunted" is another such card. I don't think this is a category we want. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 23:57, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

Again, this is almost all Spell/Trap Cards. Those aren't Ignition-like or Quick-like either; their effects are only usable at the time the card is activated. In the effect_types parameter, this would be listed as "Effect". --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 00:04, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
It's still very irking. How are you going to define the category name to exclude certain types of cards? Why would "Kunai with Chain" and "Swords of Revealing Light" be excluded, for example, even though they fall under what you're trying to encompass? What is even the functional purpose of trying to identify such cards in the first place? Finally, the terminology is possibly incorrect, if you look at "Macro Cosmos" as an example. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 00:24, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
Lucafriz, I don't think this new search category of yours is very helpful. It's too general; too embracing. I don't think it's useful; I don't think people will search for cards that have an effect that activates when the card is activated. Like, I don't think people need to specifically find cards whose effects activate when the card is activated. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 00:35, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
A category for tracking which cards have effects that activate in the Graveyard actually has a relevant purpose: tracking which cards "Skull Meister" is capable of negating, and which monsters have effects that are prevented by the effect of "Soul Drain". As far as I know of, there is no unique, functional interaction with this group of cards you're trying to identify. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 00:41, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
Lucafriz, I think the main purpose for categories like "Sends from <place A> to <place B>", etc. are useful because it helps with deck building and I don't really need to expand myself, because UltiK covered it nicely.
But for this particular category. Why exactly would people look for that? You said you would find it helpful; how so, exactly? I do like these search categories you create a lot, but I think you're complicating it too much this time. This way, I fear we are going to start having lots of search categories and some of them are too broad or just too niche. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 00:48, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
"Overwrites card effects" has a functional purpose too: finding possible ways to deal with cards/effects that can't be negated. Yes, there is no functional purpose for "placing cards underneath," but that's an anime/manga-only mechanic; what do you expect? Additionally, it's a small-enough group that I don't mind. I essentially have no comment on that category, but will wait for Cheesedude or someone else to comment on that category. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 01:02, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
Don't worry, I don't take it you're offending or something; it's important to discuss these matters and we want your sincerity, to try to understand your points of view.
By me Places cards underneath itself could be deleted too; I don't see any practical uses for it, besides fanfiction (I don't mind it either, to be honest). Which brings me to the point that if we are going to create niche categories (regardless of being embracing or not) or too general categories because of fanfiction, we could create tons and tons of other categories. Like, a search category to track all cards that have exactly two effects. Could be useful, for theme Decks. But it would be exaggerated to have categories for that, just like I think this one is overcomplicating it. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 01:07, December 30, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, at least for the 1 category. I'm not taking a position on the "Places underneath" category though. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 04:10, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

Is there a particular reason why you excluded Spell/Trap Cards from the recent categories you made? Or did you really not think about the possibility? If you deliberately decided to exclude them, then why on earth did you name the categories so ambiguously, instead of like "Activates when Normal Summoned"? --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 18:13, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, this frustration comes from the feeling that you're not the best judge of what categories should be defined, what names they should be given, and how they should be defined. I wish I could just let you go on with this (similar to other users who are trusted enough to do their own edits), but it's annoying to have to verify the categories you create. This is just my initiative, but can you just make a list of categories that you want to add, so that the admins can check it over before you actually create them? It doesn't have to be now, and you can add to the list over time. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 18:38, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

If you happen to have Discord, Luca, we could add you on the wiki chat there. That would help with communication and speed up the verification. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 20:04, January 10, 2017 (UTC)


Hey Lucafriz. When you move a page that is being transcluded (like templates), it's convenient to clean then the instances, especially if the old name is being used for other stuff now. Some episode pages are/were now displaying the navboxes, instead of the scale images. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 17:06, December 16, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, the card articles use the actual image. You can check what pages are linking/using a certain page (including templates) on Special:Whatlinkshere. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 13:14, December 17, 2016 (UTC)


Would be appreciated if you could avoid the redirect for "Deck" and instead use [[Main Deck|Deck]] in card texts. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 00:31, December 28, 2016 (UTC)

Help in EditingEdit

Hi there. i don't know how to put pictures in the gallery of a page. Can you please go to the page of City in Synchro Dimension and help add pictures in the Different Views section. I recently added images of the city being transferred and the duel lanes also transferred in the uniting dimension. You can find it it the images. Thanks a lot!!! Denversapple (talkcontribs) 11:56, January 15, 2017 (UTC)

Jelly HoleEdit

I forget if we went over this before, but something like "Fire Formation - Tenki", "Trap Hole", or "Jelly Hole" does not have a Trigger-like Effect. For "Tenki", if it was a 'Trigger-like Effect', then it would need to activate in a new Chain (after its initial activation resolved) due to the rules of SEGOC (Trigger/Trigger-like Effects that meet their activation conditions while a Chain is resolving or being constructed, cannot be activated until after the Chain resolves, assuming it doesn't miss the timing). For every card that has an activation condition that responds to an "event occurring", those aren't Trigger-like Effects. Trigger-like Effects are only possible when the Spell/Trap Card is already face-up on the field, or banished, or in the Graveyard. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 07:13, January 19, 2017 (UTC)

Requires multiple Synchro Monsters as Synchro MaterialEdit

Hey Lucafriz. Could you please reply on Talk:Requires multiple Synchro Monsters as Synchro Material? Thanks. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 13:45, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Why did you not reply to my response on the Talk Page, and moved the page regardless? Moving the page without reaching a consensus first isn't good behavior. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 20:23, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

If that really is the case, then you shouldn't make edits when you're pressed for time. You claim you saw that Becasita consented, but you renamed the page without actually looking at what he said. 9 minutes had passed since I made my comment before you moved the page (you basically had a minimum of 9 minutes of being distracted, up to an extra 32 minutes, after you read Becasita's comment before moving the page... without check the Talk Page to see any further comments/suggestions). What's with these discrepancies? Either sneaky (idk why), or really lazy. I'm not a fan of having to look through longer page histories because of mistakes you've made with these category names (requiring multiple renames for each card page). --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 20:35, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

Replaces detachment of Xyz Materials from an Xyz Monster to activate its effectsEdit

Hey Lucafriz. Please don't tag anything with this search category. Just wait some time, please. I don't think it's the best name. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 20:51, February 7, 2017 (UTC)

Yep, I think it's a very useful search category. I just don't have any suggestions for a better name at the moment; I'm also waiting for UltiK to show up and whoever else appears. I'm also doing other stuff at the moment, so I can't give you an answer right away.
I'd just like to try and find a better name; preferably shorter. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 20:58, February 7, 2017 (UTC)
I don't have any good ideas at the moment. Maybe something like "Replaces detaching Xyz Materials" solely. I don't know; something along "Detaches for others", in terms of concept (of concept; not literally that); still not happy. We'll see if we can find a better name. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 21:13, February 7, 2017 (UTC)
Discussion on: Talk:Replaces detachment of Xyz Materials from an Xyz Monster to activate its effects. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 20:02, February 8, 2017 (UTC)

Search categories wordingEdit

Hey Lucafriz. Any particular reason for you to not be using {{See also}}? And please place it on the top, it's better. Also, on those pages, could you try to word the section headers in a more natural way, please? An example (those might need better re-word). Sounds more natural; also capitalization. Thanks! Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 19:51, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

I understand.
Yes, it looks better that way. Thank you! Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 20:02, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Category name changeEdit

Ok, done. Let me know if you need anything. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 22:45, March 1, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Requires Synchro Monsters as Synchro MaterialsEdit

Hey Lucafriz. Just to let you know I've replied there. And I'll be replying there. In any case. thanks for pointing it to me. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 02:45, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I tried to fix it again. The problem is how this is handled individually on each article, I guess.
Let me know if it's fixed or what's missing. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 13:29, March 4, 2017 (UTC)
Ok, now it should be totally fixed. The only one missing is "T.G. Blade Blaster", but that one isn't an Accel Synchro Monster (at least by the card text) nor is tagged with any tag related to its materials. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 13:27, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
No probs. Glad I could help. Thanks for pointing it out.
Yes, the way you did was the most correct.
Regarding the talk page, we just need to wait for more input or for some time to have passed without anyone commenting anything that would change the general idea. Patience, Lucafriz; we'll give it some more days. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 21:28, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
Other people are aware of it. Don't worry. We'll just give it some more days. People have the right to analyze and think about something before commenting. Usually, I wouldn't mind this much. But in this case, several people showed interest and opinions on the matter. I don't want to rush it. Don't worry, I won't forget about this matter myself. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 00:55, March 8, 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I knew the card wasn't tagged as such due to the card image text. I didn't know about the chant. I don't think we need to reconcile it. Isn't if fine as it is? The anime one isn't an Accel Synchro, because it doesn't meet the criteria by anime standards (not written on the card); the OCG/TCG one... I guess it can be seen as related to Accel Synchro, but I might be wrong. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 11:44, March 12, 2017 (UTC)
Well, I suppose we can go with the approach on Talk:Requires Synchro Monsters as Synchro Materials. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 23:32, March 16, 2017 (UTC)
I wouldn't bother with "Blade Blaster". The anime one isn't an Accel Synchro, because in the anime, Accel Synchro is a monster card type and is explicitly stated as such (on the card). At the least, it is related to them, so it can be pointed as related to the theme.
That concept doesn't seem to exist in ARC-V, so I wouldn't compare to it. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 00:25, March 18, 2017 (UTC)
Solved. The query was asking for Synchro Monsters only. Those cards aren't exactly «Synchro Monster»; they are some variation of Synchro Monsters. So you either call for them all, or just ditch the "Synchro Monster"part, which was what I did. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 12:43, March 26, 2017 (UTC)

Does not require specific Xyz MaterialsEdit

Hey Lucafriz. I don't quite get why you did this. You're just using it as another category, with a different purpose? Also, you kinda left it hanging like that. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 22:33, March 6, 2017 (UTC)

Hum, fair enough. I just wondering, in case it was too different of a category (in terms of purpose), if it wouldn't have been better to delete that one and create a new one, heh. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 00:55, March 8, 2017 (UTC)
The thing is: When you move a page, you preserve the history. If you want to create a new page, you're not going to Category:Candidates for Deletion and move a page from there to the new name and overwrite it with new content.
Conceptually, it can make more sense to tag one page for deletion and create a new one. If it's about the same thing, but has another name; move, for sure. If it's about other thing, it's best to delete and create a new one. Especially when "Requires specific Xyz Materials for its Xyz Summon" is the opposite of "Does not require specific Xyz Materials". But let's now worry much about it. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 11:44, March 12, 2017 (UTC)
Weeeell... I sometimes go through page histories; they are important as they hold lots of useful information and you can see why something was added, by who, when, etc., etc.. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 00:25, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

Traptrix RankaEdit

Hey Luca, how come you moved Traptrix Ranka to "Card Trivia:Traptrix Coronatus" instead of just to "Traptrix Coronatus"? ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 13:45, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

Oh yes, that was by accident. I created the Traptrix Coronatus page, not realizing that it already existed under the name Traptrix Ranka, so I intended to move the page I made to be a Card Trivia page for the card instead, since there was a bit of trivia regarding that card. Then after that, my intention was to move the already created Traptrix Ranka page to the Traptrix Coronatus name. The thing was, I accidentally moved the already existing Traptrix Ranka page instead of the page I created, but I only realized my mistake after the move occurred. So I just moved the card gallery page to the new name and left it at that, since I figured there was little else I could do about the matter. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 21:14, April 12, 2017 (UTC))
No problem, though in the future you can ping an admin to fix stuff like that. =) ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:04, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

Unnecessary categoriesEdit

Just wondering when you're going to get around to listing "Requires only specific monsters as Fusion Materials with less than 1500 ATK", because I want to build a Deck around "Mystic Tomato" and "Messenger of Peace" that also Fusion Summons. Seriously, what criteria are you using to justify the creation of these categories? --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 20:19, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

The edit you made to YZ-Tank Dragon broke the link to the Requires_only_specific_monsters_as_Fusion_Materials. The link is valid for this monster. Inclusion of "Effect Monster" is not more clear than "specific monsters". Even changing the "monsters" to "Monsters" will break the link. Please think about whether your changes are needed. I know you have made these changes many places and broken links. You should go back and fix them. Synchro Cowboy (talkcontribs) 20:55, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Lucafriz, there is no practical reason why people would want to know which Fusion Monsters list specific monsters that are Normal Monsters. Technically, there can be reasons for the same reason as the "Messenger of Peace" example (e.g. "Backup Soldier", "Dark Factory of Mass Production"), but we are not going to comprehensively cover things like that "Messenger of Peace" example. The Messenger example is not a stretch either, since ATK is a single characteristic much like the card type of a Monster Card (e.g. Normal, Effect). Using this line of logic, we are not going to be listing characteristics for "Requires (only) specific monsters as Fusion Materials". It doesn't help that you have some intention of using these categories to make researching easier for fan-fiction Duels, as opposed to more practical mainstream use. Please reply or revert the changes. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 22:28, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

I'd like to get the issue of these extra categories resolved first (with the other admins), before you start creating new ones. It's quite a pain having to revert unnecessary ones. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 00:20, November 3, 2017 (UTC)
If you want to defend yourself, go ahead. I've also seen you make another sloppy copy/paste job for "Heavymetalfoes Electrum". I'm not sure what your incentive is there. You want to increase your edit count...? You want to beat other editors in making the page...? Whatever it is, there's no excuse, especially since you've been continually doing it (it doesn't seem to be a mistake anymore; it seems deliebrate). I see multiple unnecessary edits for "Perpetual King Archfiend" as well, when you were the first one to create the page. After this current issue gets resolved, you'll be blocked if you exhibit that sort of behavior again with creating new card pages. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 00:37, November 3, 2017 (UTC)
Well, first thing's first, I received no prior warning regarding the fact that this sort of behavior might not be appropriate, so in any case, I seem to have been blindsided here. Admittedly, the reason I did copy a template off other pages when creating card pages was the simple reason that the card template had a lot of parameters (name, type, level, attribute, etc.) and happened to be quite large, and at the time, I didn't know of any convenient way to copy it onto a new page when creating a new page. Frankly, I wonder why I wasn't notified earlier regarding this if anyone thought my behavior was inappropriate, as I would gladly have been open to discussion about some other workaround, such as being informed of a simpler way to copy such a large template onto a new article with all the parameters being blank so they can be filled in, since my past method entails copying it off another card article, but then the parameters would be filled with the other card's information. In all honesty, that was simply the reason for it, as I don't care about my edit count or whether or not I'm the one who actually created the article. It's really that simple. Waiting on why I wasn't told earlier about this issue to begin with. As for the Perpetual King Archfiend page, I had some brain farts that day and kept forgetting to add bits of information, hence the few edits. I mean no malice by it in the first place.
As for the category pages, well, there are cards that change their names depending on what location they are currently in, and I do think there is a gameplay distinction to be made, especially for cards that change their name in the Graveyard, which can be important when deciding on what to send to the Graveyard to take advantage of that effect. In any case, my intention was to include all those categories as subcategories of "Changes own name". Then again, maybe some of my ideas on what to do on this wiki might be overly ambitious, like some of the category pages or creating archetype playing style sections like the ones I did for the "Cubic", "World Chalice", and "Krawler" articles. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 16:30, November 4, 2017 (UTC))

Continued in User talk:Lucafriz#Your Penalty

Rename the Card Gallery, Card Appearances, Card Trivia, and Card Names pages of "Amazoness Call (anime)"Edit

Rename the Card Gallery, Card Appearances, Card Trivia, and Card Names pages of "Amazoness Call (anime)" because they take up the spot for "Amazoness Call", which is a completely different card.Cardsknower (talkcontribs) 11:44, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

Uploading card imagesEdit

Hey Lucafriz. When uploading card images, you don't need to enter any licensing. You just need to enter the {{OCG-TCG card image}} in the "Summary" box and that's it. Also, if you're uploading PNG versions of JPG images we have, tag those JPG for deletion, please. Thanks! Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 22:26, June 7, 2017 (UTC)

You are right; you did tag them for deletion. I thought it was Igor because he then edited the delete reason. Sorry about that; my bad.
As for the template, what I'm saying is you just need to enter it on the "Summary" box (as you did, yes); you don't need to add any licensing. Here; I removed the part added by the licensing option. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 11:26, June 8, 2017 (UTC)

Stop edit warring.Edit

Are you even reading the reason why I'm redoing them? I called your rollback "lazy" because you were not trying to improve the errors I've pointed out. I've even mentioned them twice.Lightning Laxus (talkcontribs) 03:03, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

Search category namesEdit

Hey Lucafriz. Please be more careful when naming these. For instance, you recently created "Places cards from Deck on the top of the Deck". Why did you name it, first, "from Deck" and then "of the Deck". You either go "Places cards from Deck on the top of Deck" or "Places cards from the Deck on the top of the Deck". Try to be consistent even inside a single category name, please. You even worded the headers differently, with "from the Deck".
This and the other that places on the bottom of the Deck should be renamed to "Places cards from the Deck on the top of the Deck" and "Places cards from the Deck on the bottom of the Deck". It'd be appreciated if you could do so. Thanks. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 13:25, June 14, 2017 (UTC)

I might not have time to run my bot during the next few days. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 19:33, June 14, 2017 (UTC)
No problem. I've been busy too. I'd say just go through the cards that use that search category and adapt the entry. Then tag the page for deletion, since it's superseded by the newer one. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 22:58, June 29, 2017 (UTC)
Ah, sure. I thought they still had that tag, but no. Alrighty, then. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 23:04, June 29, 2017 (UTC)

Tuner Normal MonsterEdit

Hi Lucafriz. Regarding Tuner Normal Monster: We've been using Normal Tuner monster everywhere (especially on the set lists). Any reason why you just created the page as "Tuner Normal Monster"? Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 14:03, July 8, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, but we know that both Synchro and Pendulum are monster card types (per cards like "Dimensional Barrier"). We don't know that about Normal Monsters. We do know that they are somewhat of a counterpart to Effect Monsters. We also don't know for sure if "Tuner Synchro" is the best way, since it's used on the materials line or, if on text, only as "non-Tuner Synchro". So we can't really draw conclusions here. Furthermore, cards like "Nirvana High Paladin" use "Pendulum Monster Tuner", so... One could even say cards like "Formula Synchron" have "Machine / Synchro / Tuner / Effect", where "Effect" is on the opposite side of "Synchro", regardig "Tuner", which could be a way to differentiate them. There really isn't a correct way.
In any case, we have hundreds of pages using "Normal Tuner monster", so why not going with that, for consistency? Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 19:02, July 8, 2017 (UTC)
That doesn't really matter. Those cards are appearing there because they are Normal Monsters; since, with the info we have, they are not Effect Monsters, given an effect wasn't revealed or they weren't mentioned as being Effect Monsters. Therefore, they are Normal Monsters and Tuner monsters. If that's not the writers intention, then that's not our problem; we work with the info we have. Conclusion: You can't say they aren't Normal Tuner monsters, since you have no proof otherwise. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 13:00, July 14, 2017 (UTC)
It has an Effect. By default, it's an Effect Monster (this applies to both of your examples). If it doesn't have an Effect or we don't know if it has or not, then, by default, it's a Normal Monster. It's a logical matter. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 19:44, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
Ah, that has nothing to do with this. That's a flaw on the template. I've already corrected it. After cache updates, verything should be fine. So, tagging the card with / Effect should make it disappear from that list. Note: only tag with / Effect if an effect for it was revealed or was explicitly said it's an Effect Monster. If we don't know, then leave it to be treated as Normal (at least for now). Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 20:01, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

RE: Category retaggingEdit

Consider it done. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 19:22, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

Eventually. Such as "Graveyard" to "GY". I won't have time for now, though. So let's leave all of those in standby.
As a side not, I'd suggest archiving your talk page. Too heavy, so I prefer editing it twice to reply to everything. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 19:46, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

Subterror GuruEdit

This was my first time making a huge edit to a card. I had difficulty editing the effect text. Subterror Guru V-Jump promo has been leaked on the Italian YGO Facebook page. Do you mind making the edit? MegaMaster23 (talkcontribs) 16:41, September 14, 2017 (UTC)

In regards to detail.Edit

Articles should be concise. Take a look at how beautifully short the Extra Link article is now. It used to be clogged with a ton of extra detail, but now it has only the essentials (courtesies to Snorlax). Let's try to aim for that. Lightning Laxus (talkcontribs) 05:13, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Lists on terminology pagesEdit

Why do you think it's essential? And specifically on the co-linked page too. I don't see you adding it to other terminology pages, such as "Destroy," or "Discard," or "Send," etc. Lightning Laxus (talkcontribs) 05:21, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Your PenaltyEdit

Continued from User talk:Lucafriz#Unnecessary categories

  1. In the Unnecessary categories section here, why did you not acknowledge my April messages (by either reverting your edits or replying)? Why have you still not addressed those messages there, even though I just left new messages there in that section? It's like you didn't care what an admin had to say.
  2. In the Traptrix Ranka section here, you claimed that what you did was a "mistake." Well, it is very difficult to "accidentally" change the namespace of a page when moving it. To do so at Special:Move, you'd have to click the dropdown arrow and select the "Card Trivia" namespace to do it, or you'd manually replace "Traptrix Ranka" with "Card Trivia:Traptrix Coronatus" via typing/deleting in the name box. And yet you somehow did it again in September, moving "Deep Sleep in the World Legacy" to "Card Gallery:The True Depths Sleeping Inside The World Legacy". And in both cases, you made the new card page after those moves, instead of just directly moving the pre-existing card page to the new name (especially when someone else created the card page first). Fishy.
  3. And then there's the issue of you just copy/pasting filler from another card page, publishing it, then changing the info piece-by-piece in multiple edits. Instead of, you know, previewing your changes to see if there's something you forgot, so that you don't need 4-5 edits to finalize a card page. I technically gave you a warning, but I have no way to prove you actually saw it, so.

With this stuff in mind, this week-long block will expire naturally and then you can edit. However, you're not going to be creating any more card-related categories; you don't seem to have any self-control in creating them. I specify that they should be created for card effects that makes those properties relevant, which I've said before, but which you've basically ignored. Now that you know I'm serious, you're still not allowed to create categories; you've done enough damage already. If you create another, you'll be blocked.
Additionally, your mover privileges will be revoked; you have this weird habit of moving pages instead of flagging them for deletion.
And if I catch you creating more card pages with stuff sloppily copy/pasted over without having the card's proper info first, you'll be blocked. (However, small mistakes are fine; for example, if you forget to change the Level or effect types when you create the card page. Forgetting to remove appropriate card properties or card sets are not.) --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 05:07, November 5, 2017 (UTC)

Well, allow me to clear a few things up then.
  1. In all honesty, I was raking my brains, and still am, over what to say about that. How do you want to solve that issue in a manner that benefits everyone? I didn't know what to say because I felt ashamed in a sense, that what I thought might be good for the wiki might not be what someone else wanted. Regarding reverting the changes, how would that have gone? It may sound selfish of me to ask, but can there be any assistance rendered to me on that front? I think the reason people don't really move categories to new terminology too often is because of the hundreds of pages that might be in a category and the daunting thought of having to change each and every page to the new category name.
  2. Well, when moving that page, I had two page move pages open on different tabs on the same window. As you may know, I created a page under "Traptrix Ranka" and intended to move my own page to the corresponding Trivia page, since there was some Trivia about the card's name to make note of. But as mentioned, I accidentally selected the other page for moving to the Trivia page instead, so that page ended up being moved to the trivia page. Would the solution then be to delete both pages and have a do-over? At that point, I guess I was embarrassed by what happened, and couldn't bring myself to say anything to an admin, but that might have made the situation worse. As for "The True Depths Sleeping in the World Legacy", I created that page at the correct name without noticing another page existed for that card, since I started the card article creation before the other user published his article. Perhaps I should have moved my page instead or flagged one for deletion, that might have been a mistake on my part. I suppose my motivation for moving pages was to save the admins trouble in having to come and delete them by flagging them. That was it, and I don't recall it being clearly enunciated to me that moving pages to save the admins that trouble was a wrong move.
  3. I made that edit on the "Ultimate Crystal God Rainbow Over Dragon" page, then I never edited the page again or really went to it again afterwards, hence I never saw your message because I never looked at the page history again, and it didn't really matter to me what ultimately became of that decision whether to re-name to page or not. In all honesty, you could have just put that notice on my talk page instead of an edit summary, and I could have seen it. So while I can take responsibility for the copy-pasting issue, I don't see any prior warning on it. If you put that on my talk page at the time, then fine, it would have been my fault had I continued to create pages like that. But in this circumstance, because you didn't, well, I don't think it's fair to say that I was expected to see that other warning.
In any case, where do we go from here? Fine, I agree that the copy-pasting issue needed to be addressed. Do you intend for all these restrictions to be permanent? If that is the case, well, I can't say in all good conscious that I would want to continue being on here, though I suppose some people would celebrate such a thing, since categorizing pages was a thing I so enjoyed doing, and were all my created categories bad or damaging to the wiki? It seemed that you painted all my contributions with the same brush, and I don't think that is true. Instead, I was inquiring if there should instead be a cooling off time period so we can discuss how better to approach the category creating matter (and maybe I might not have a right to ask such a thing, but I have to try anyway), because right now, I feel like a pariah with no apparent avenue being provided to amend my errors. I'm sorry, but if there's no way for me to regain any of the rights, privileges or abilities I had before, then I can't say I would want to be in this community since it seems like it's looking at me with toxic eyes. I don't know if, should I be disallowed from making categories, I should want to continue on here, and I don't know if it's better for me to go, since I seem to be causing problems. Better to admit that then stay and be a conflict creator, no? The fact that I was blocked for not for say, a string of vandalism, but creating a category I thought was a good distinction to make (in that whether a card changes its name depending on location, which could affect strategically where cards are placed for the game to work, so how is that an irrelevant property?), doesn't sit well with me, though I would suppose it seemed appropriate to someone else. In any case, I don't feel trusted, and maybe there is a good rationale for that, but for me, it still feels toxic. I will sit back and be welcome to any suggestions or workarounds that could help in future, but I can't say I would want to stay here, with the way things are. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 20:36, November 5, 2017 (UTC))
Lucafriz, I gotta say you had created lots, tons of good search categories in the past. However, it's clear that you have been exaggerating a bit lately. Therefore, I have a suggestion:
Each time you'd like to create a new search category, you'd leave your idea on page, for evaluation and subsequent approval, if deserved. This could apply to other people who would like to suggest ways to filter and search for cards, of course.
What do you say? Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 22:08, November 5, 2017 (UTC)
Becasita, I will say that your idea does have some merit, and if you want to put forward an initiative for people to propose category ideas, then I will support you. Frankly, I might need assistance from other people in finding cards to fit in some categories, because some cards remain uncategorized in categories that should hold them (particularly if the category was made when a large number of cards that should go in it already exist, so that's easy to miss). I also need better community engagement, I suppose. As of now, I think UltimateKuriboh's assertion that my category based activities constitutes "damage" to the wiki is not something I find acceptable or with merit. Furthermore, I do not perceive that I ignored him in his notion that categories should be "created for card effects that makes those properties relevant". I felt that there was relevance in the categories I made from a gameplay standpoint, though clearly UltimateKuriboh appeared to disagree. How about categories charting number of materials required? How about other gameplay applications in that vein like ATK, DEF, and Levels or Link Ratings? That's a basic category that should be included on the wiki, and am I to be penalized for making such a category? At the very least, I feel like I'm being treated like a criminal now, viewed with suspicion regardless of the merit of my actions, so forgive me if I humbly ask that such restrictions on category creation be re-examined. I will admit that I can't help but feel discomfort at not being trusted or viewed with suspicion on this issue of category creation, but I will bear with it for now and we can talk more on this matter later on. For now, I would appreciate if you elaborate to me more on how some of my created categories are "exaggerating" and we can use the discussion to create a guideline on what may or may not be appropriate categorization. Ultimately, at the end of the day, I'd like to be able to make categories again and be trusted that such actions are not "damage".
With regards to my mover rights, I have to say that I feel like I'm being penalized for something along the lines of wanting to make work easier for the admins. I figured that if something was in my power to do, I'll do it myself. There are times when two or more people create articles for the same card using different translated names, so I thought, why not move one of those pages to a card gallery or card trivia page rather than outright flag for deletion? It seems more efficient that having to involve an admin and initiating a process. I've done this for a while without having anyone tell me it's prohibited or not, so to lose my mover rights here seems heavy-handed and without me being issued due warning at all. If told to simply flag pages for deletion rather than move them, then I would, but I wasn't told such and don't understand why I am paying for wanting to make life easier for others. I intended to later on, use my mover ability to rename some category pages to new terminology (Graveyard to GY) or current standards of naming used by the wiki and then change the labels on the card pages accordingly to match, but I can't perceive that happening any time soon. I don't believe I used my mover right inappropriately to cause disruption or "damage" to the wiki, so if it is within my right to appeal, then I would do it.
As for the copy-pasting issue, I will admit wrongdoing if that is the case. However, I genuinely did not see UltimateKuriboh's message to me in the edit summaries of the Rainbow Overdragon page, and thus to receive such a heavy-handed response from him on my talk page recently for what is from my perspective, my first time hearing about this issue (and the notion that it might have been wrong) is not something I find fair at all. As I have said, if he stated it on my talk page at the time instead of putting it in an edit summary, then I would have seen it and be open to some other alternative to quickly generate a blank card article template with the parameters being blank. Now I feel like I have to walk on eggshells when creating card articles, and that isn't amenable to constructive editing. What if months or years from now, I create an article and by accident, wrongly put in a parameter that UltimateKuriboh spoke of? Do I now have to brace myself for a ban? Remember, from my perspective, I only got one hard warning (and not even a gentle reminder, which was technically made but put in a place I could have missed, and indeed did not see) and am now facing being banned without any sort of slack. How can that be fair to me? Once again, if I may, I will find a way to make articles without copy-pasting the template off another page, without risking data from another card showing in the new article, but I would like some patience be afforded me on this for any accidents or mistakes in that process, which I don't seem to have been granted at the moment.
In the end, what is this block really about? I've laid out my thoughts as to why I don't think the reasons I suspect are the cause of the block to be 100% my fault, and yet I feel like I'm being treated like a vandal or anarchist when I don't believe that my knowing behavior constituted such. And still, it was not precisely spelled out for me why I am being blocked. If it's category creation, which I was doing at the time, well, did you see those categories as useless or "damage"? There was no direct correlation in terms of my mover ability, and as mentioned, the copy-pasting issue, I did not receive any proper prior notice about on my Talk page. There is a reason I have been reducing my time on the wiki and my edits as well, and that's simply because I can't contribute nowadays without feeling that someone might take issue with what I am doing or I'll get penalized, and honestly, that's not emotions you want to have when editing a wiki in a constructive manner. I do not know how the community here views me in general and I don't feel valued or appreciated, or at the very least, that what I have done was "worth it". There are times when I finished long editing stretches feeling tired and mentally drained because of those feelings rather than accomplished or happy. I don't know, maybe I need in some way, to feel that there is still some need for a person like me on here, and if not, then exiting through the door might be a better option for me. I will say that I thank you for approaching me, Becasita, and if possible, I think I'd like to talk with other admins, since I feel like I have built some rapport between some admins and myself. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 06:08, November 6, 2017 (UTC))
Obviously, the "no mistakes allowed when creating card pages" is not meant to be a permanent thing. You may have explained this before, but from my point of view, maybe you were deliberately copy/pasting the card template first (and publishing) before modifying the details 1-at-a-time; in that case, it shouldn't be that much of a problem for you to instead make those changes in 1-2 edits (3 is a stretch). What I'd like to see is a good indicator that you're trying to create the card page with its relevant info in 1 edit - without essentially copy/pasting another card page and publishing it without any changes. At minimum, I'd expect the card page to be published correctly with all of its stats (effect, Level, [card] Type, Attribute, ATK/DEF). The JP name, card categories, effect types, and Card table set parameters would be optional, but appreciated anyway - it's up to you to decide how long you want your editing to take, lest you get into an edit conflict when publishing the page. Linking the appropriate terms in the effect would also be good (this is optional, but I really think it should be mandatory - if you forget to link some terms, that's fine).
As for the categories, sorry, I really can't trust your judgment after you've said part of your motivation is for easy-access regarding research for CACs. The wiki's priority imo, should be documenting relevant factors that go into Deck-building or interact with card effects. This is a good line in the sand to draw imo, instead of having a gray area of some obscure characteristic-combinations that you should stop at, as I mentioned earlier with my "Messenger of Peace" rhetorical example (use the "Find" function on this page to see it). So once you start consistently proposing relevant card categories (relevant in the Deck-building / card-effect interaction respect), then I'd see no problem in eventually letting you create them without a vetting process.
And when I say Deck-building, I mean in a strategic respect, not as in "I want to build my Deck around cards that pay LP in the Standby Phase". It's bad to let the categories exponentially expand on card pages; we don't want exhaustive lists. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 07:11, November 6, 2017 (UTC)
At the very least, I would try to publish a card page with SOME stats correct, but apart from that, mistakes may happen, and I would like to see some slack afforded to me for that. However, some stats might be missing or not included, and that's something that either the publishing user or the reporting agency is responsible for (and I have seen people publish pages with blank templates even though some information is known), so at the very least, I'll try for not including other card's information on the page. Linking terms in the effect is something nearly no one does on article creation, and I think it's a low priority thing for most people. I suppose some people may want to get the page up ASAP to avoid an edit conflict, and to an extent, while I don't care if I'm not the one who created the page, it is somewhat annoying to create a page and then see that someone else has put up the page before you did and you cause an edit conflict.
Regarding the categories, once again, I'd like another opinion on what should be done about creating them in future. I'm afraid I cannot see full agreement to your assertion that my edits regarding categories are "damage", when I would argue that it is my belief that I've made a good deal of constructively made categories, and Becasita appears to agree with me on that count. As mentioned, I feel like I'm being seen as a vandal or not being appreciated due to that comment, and a vandal I am not. While I am open to some sort of initiative from Becasita as a way to refine the category creation process as a means of improvement, and to an extent a guideline to what sort of categories may be wanted on the wiki in future, I cannot agree that this full-out restriction on my ability to make categories is at all constructive, since I don't make them with any malicious intent. As for the thing about CACs, while it might have been a help, I've moved on from that and don't consider it a factor in category creation on here.
While I can agree to some sort of process like what Becasita proposed, I would like a good timeline or set of parameters to clearly indicate what I can do to eventually work to fix the issue of creating categories. As mentioned, not being trusted is not a good feeling to go around my business on the wiki with, and not conductive to being on here (and having to second guess whether people trust my edits or not is contributing to a lack of drive or desire on my part as of late to being on this wiki). I would like other opinions from other users or admins on proceeding forward on this. Like I said, there are categories around just to classify cards solely based on stats, so I cannot agree 100% with the idea of a full restriction. As I said, I will agree to a process like Becasita's idea for anything potentially big and groundbreaking (such as categories that are likely to encompass many, many pages), but "simple categories" including those cataloging cards by stats, and others we can more closely discuss later, I don't agree with being restricted on creating, hence my impression that the whole affair is heavyhanded.
As for your example, I don't think it's a full analogy, since there are now apparently some cards contingent on Fusion Monsters with specifically listed materials, so some linkage to those categories in question might be beneficial for said cards. And Fusion Monsters probably have the most complicated parameters for materials, so I can get that issue becoming somewhat murky with categorizing things based on material requirement. I do agree that a category on cards that pay LP in the Standby Phase is odd and beyond scope, but at the same time, I think most of my categories like the ones I made recently, have some sort of strategic benefit (like deciding where to place cards so they can enact their name changing effect). In that case, demarcating where on the field or in the Graveyard, Deck, etc, certain effects can be applied is important as well, in my opinion. Hopefully, I can discuss this matter in greater depth with Becasita.
Apart from that, I would like to know what else can be done about my mover rights and if I can regain them so I can do things like move categories. I don't move stuff without considering the pages linked to it, and I have moved categories while also renaming the labels on the articles sorted in them to the new name. As mentioned, I don't believe I have done anything malicious with those mover rights knowingly.
Hopefully, these issues can all be fixed in a conductive manner. I don;t doubt that you, UltimateKuriboh, are a good admin, but unfortunately, there has been many less than ideal incidents between us, far more than I have had with any other admin, and I can't say I feel the same sort of rapport or ease of trust or conversation with you compared to them. Maybe that might change later on, but I apologize if I can't feel as trusted interacting with you. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 07:57, November 6, 2017 (UTC))
I'm afraid I cannot see full agreement to your assertion that my edits regarding categories are "damage", when I would argue that it is my belief that I've made a good deal of constructively made categories, and Becasita appears to agree with me on that count. You're either saying that I label all your categories as "damage" (I am not), or that your good categories make the "damage" irrelevant (they do not). Sure, you've made decent categories, but both Becasita and I have said on this Talk Page that now you need to have a vetting process; we don't want to have to revert dozens of edits you've made for a bad category.
I cannot agree that this full-out restriction on my ability to make categories is at all constructive, since I don't make them with any malicious intent. If everyone was judged solely by their intentions on this wiki, a lot more pages would be of lesser quality, especially since those editors were convinced they're doing the right thing. This indicates you don't know which categories you've made are bad, which is why Becasita and I agree that you need a vetting process. If other admins disagreed me with this, they'd be reverting the block I placed on you and/or commenting against the block.
but "simple categories" including those cataloging cards by stats, and others we can more closely discuss later, I don't agree with being restricted on creating I'd be inclined to trust you on this, but I have no idea what you consider "simple". The problem is that when you create a category, you end up immediately applying it to a bunch of pages, and rather quickly too. I'd like to wait to see which categories you end up proposing on the forum page (and which you consider 'simple').
Mistakes are allowed in creating card pages from time-to-time, but it shouldn't take you more than 2 edits to publish all the card's known stats (which I've specified), so just keep that as a rule of thumb. If you push past that "2 edits" limit consistently (in a short time period), then there's going to be a problem. This "2 edit" limit doesn't apply for the extra card-page details that I've already specified, but that doesn't mean that you're free to make numerous small edits to publish those details either - try to aim for 1-2 edits to publish those extra details, if you choose to do so. This is not going to be a permanent restraint; just a guideline until it seems you've followed in the spirit enough (but that doesn't mean you're free to go back to your previous behavior afterwards).
As for the mover privilege, it'll stay removed because of you trying to do fancy tricks with it - if what you've said regarding World Legacy and Traptrix is true - instead of tagging a page for deletion like normal. Otherwise, it'd still stay removed because of the admins believing that you abused the privilege to claim creation of card pages. At any point, myself or another admin can restore it, but you most definitely are not going to get it back immediately. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 19:00, November 6, 2017 (UTC)
Lucafriz, you say:
I suppose my motivation for moving pages was to save the admins trouble in having to come and delete them by flagging them. That was it, and I don't recall it being clearly enunciated to me that moving pages to save the admins that trouble was a wrong move.
It's not about saving admins trouble. You need to understand what it implies to move a page, since it moves the history as well. Moving a mainspace (article) page onto a Card Trivia or whatever namesapce page is wrong, since article pages are not Card Trivia pages. This is a general rule. You say you didn't get a warning but it doesn't really matter in this case. This also has to do with licenses. So please stick with what matters. Moving an article page onto another namespace and then just replacing its content is wrong. As a rule of thumb, if you'll ever have to do this at some time/place; you're doing the wrong thing.
Regarding the copy paste page creations, I also noticed them and I don't like them. I'm referring to stuff like this. Sure, you deleted some stuff. But you still published lots of stuff from the page where you copied it from. So please be more careful with this. Mistakes happen. But making lots of mistakes, even if they are not on purpose and you have good intentions, is bad too.
As for the categories issue, I don't have much more to say. I think we really need to have a page to post ideas for analysis. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 22:13, November 6, 2017 (UTC)
Hmmm... And once again I feel like a pariah. In any case, I am of course more implying that my edits on categories seem to be viewed in general more as damage than beneficial, and in the interest of not retreading old water again, I'll leave it at that. Do I know which categories I made are bad? It seems that more specifically oriented ones appear to run the risk of being viewed as such, such as the division of an existing category into smaller sub-categories, like the aforementioned "changes card name" categories by location. Whether those categories are necessary, since I still think there is a strategic element to their existence, we'll just have to see. I edit quickly simply because I am task-oriented and want to get stuff done quickly, though I don't think my category based edits were sloppy.
Well, does anyone have any way of generating a card template with blank paramters without copy-pasting it from elsewhere? I suspect some others may be doing something similar, since at times, I see card templates with blank parameters for category types (m/s/t for a card with no effects relating to categories under m/s/t) that have nothing to do with the card in question, so there's no categories that go under said parameters. In any case, I'll see the guideline as it is, and should I fail to fill in all the information for a card, I'm sure someone else will see to it. Not using that as any sort of excuse, mind you. In any case, I don't intend to go back to past mistake behavior deliberately since I believe I made myself clear on that matter.
As for the mover rights, as mentioned, I don't care about who creates the article. And I would respectfully disagree on how it "doesn't matter" that I didn't get a notice that I should have flagged pages for deletion instead of moving them, because then I can realize that it was wrong and change accordingly. I can't really look back and think I was afforded a chance to do that because of this. Anyway, I still can't help that I am being looked at with suspicion regarding the mentioned moves on the Traptrix and World Legacy pages, which I really find mentally exhausting.
In any case, maybe all this really doesn't matter. Like I said, in terms of mindset, I don't really feel any desire to be on here or do any editing at the moment. Can't say that what happened recently has been "good" for any constructive initiative I may feel towards this place. Perhaps I'll wrap up some loose ends and then maybe I'll leave the wiki then, however long, I don't know. To be honest, I don't really feel that there's all that much left for me at this juncture on here. As mentioned, I can't help but feel that these feelings directed at me are antithetical to anything constructive I may have to do or offer on here. As I said before, I've been cutting down on my contributions here for a reason and I don't see much purpose now, especially in light of this. Of course, perhaps it is for the better for everyone else if I leave. It seems staying on here is detrimental to my well-being and I don't know if I can take all this scrutiny. (Lucafriz (talkcontribs) 07:55, November 7, 2017 (UTC))
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