Card Trivia talk:Number 70: Malevolent Sin
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Does Number 70 significantly resemble its Number holder?[edit]
Just add your signatures below for yes/no, and use the comments section for in-depth explanation.
Yes[edit]
- --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 04:28, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- --Dreamdarkstonecoin (talk • contribs) 11:09, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- --zilla257 9:14, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
No[edit]
- UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 03:26, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- F8lfire (talk • contribs) 11:02, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:50, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- YamiWheeler (talk • contribs) 19:29, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 21:25, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- WinterNightmare (talk • contribs) 04:59, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
- -- Aexon 07:33, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
Comments[edit]
I'm not entirely sure. The hair of Number 70 is shaggy, but it isn't an "exact copy" in my opinion. I feel that if the author/artist really wanted to make that connection, they would have done a better job of making them similar. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 03:26, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
diffrent number and shape of spikes, most of them arent even the same color, if they wanted to give them similar hair styles they would have made it more obviousF8lfire (talk • contribs) 11:02, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- How much more obvious can it get? It is staring at you right in the face. The spikes have the same shape and proportionate size. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 15:45, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
You'll probably find plenty of manga characters with hair spiked in that manner. Deadly Sin's is neater and is more like Yugi's hair, in that it's one/two flat sets of spikes (I'm not suggesting that be mentioned on the trivia page.), while Kyoji's are jutting out of different places. Deadly Sin also has something going on at the tips of his spikes. I even question whether it is hair/fur or not, when I look at the stuff connecting the outermost spikes. Like the guys above me have said, I'd say if the artist wanted to make them similar, they would have went a lot further. -- Deltaneos (talk) 16:50, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, come on. He is standing right below his monster, you can see that the spikes are the same shape, plus, if they weren't meant to have similarities, why would the artist/writer go to the trouble of giving Kyoji clothes with a spider motif and make his name a pun/reference to Spider? Answer that. Numbers take a form that matches/mimics their duelist and/or their desires. Hence the similarities between this card and its duelist. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:07, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- "spikes are the shape". What shape? Spiky-shaped? At least "Number 70" has its "spiky hair" arranged in an orderly fashion; 2 spikes on each side with 1 in the middle (and 4 spikes beneath those spikes). If you want further support, look at this image in particular. Not very spiky. Or in fact, look at any other image of Kyoji Yagumo. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 17:37, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- In every image of Kyoji I see, I see connections to this card. It's no coincidence. Hairstyles match, motif = basis. It's all intentional. Other than maybe Number 25, all the numbers have slight connections with their holders, and the same goes for this card and Kyoji. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:51, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- First off, THANK YOU UltimateKuriboh for giving an easy solution to this. Second, pretty much everything I wanted to say has pretty much already been said. Not all the Numbers share a part of their appearance with their owners. As a matter of fact, very few of them do. This is not one of them. I don't know what pictures you are looking at, but they are not Kyoji if they have hair look like this monster's head/fur. At this point, this has already been decided. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 21:25, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- A) Name one Number that shares nothing with it's owner. B) Look under the monster, Kyoji is standing right there, and C) Fine, I done talking to a bunch of brick wall, but without any kind of trivia here, you may as well, delete the whole page. No sense in having a blank page, right? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 23:05, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- I can name a few: Numbers 9, 15, 42, 33, 40, 11, 34, 72, 63, 53, 92, 2, 3, 4, 82, 96… I can go on for a while. Let me just note that while most of these Numbers are modeled after that user's desires and/or other monsters, they show pretty much nothing in terms of appearance. Also, this page shares a connection to the Numbers trivia forum, so we should probably keep it. But, I will leave that up to UltimateKuriboh. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 23:28, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- Let's see, we don't know if 9, 11, 53, and 92 are truly the Number the belonged to the ones using them (though in 53 and 92's case, it based on Faker's quest for power). 15, 42, 40, 34, 72, 82, and 63 are based on the emotions and desires and memories of the ones who use them. 2, 3, and 4 ARE based on the appearances on the ones who use them, or did you forget that the Fearsome Four had forms based on a mosquito, cicada, and jellyfish respectively? As for 96, We now know that that is the embodiment of Astral's dark side, so that one is the only special case. You point is invalid, friend. And as for the link, barely any looks at or cares to look at that. It's a waste of bits and bytes. IF there is nothing else on here, it should be deleted. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:03, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- I believe this was a talk about APPEARANCE. NOTHING ELSE. I even explained that in what I said. I will give you 2, 3, 4, and the others who we dont know who their original owners are, but like I said, the others share nothing in terms of appearance. You only think my point is invalid because you completely missed it. Since you have trouble seeing it, I will put it simply: Numbers generally do not share any sort of appearance with their owners. Their design is based on their desires, not what their owners look like. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 01:11, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- No, friend, the challenge was "Name one Number that shares nothing with it's owner." Not just appearance, in design. 25 shares Cameron Clix's desire to great news shots. 72 is the guy's fondness for Shogi. 15 and 40, IV's overall personality and desire to crush his opponents. You just assumed I meant appearance only. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:17, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- I misread you, I make mistakes. But what I said is true, and you only followed up on it with what you just said. Appearance? No. Desires? Yes. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 01:36, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- But similarities in appearances do occur, take 17, 39, and 69. All of them have similarities to their holder's looks. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:46, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- That is true. I said They GENERALLY do not. I dont really know about 69, but 17's horns are shaped like Shark's hair, and 39 shares a similar design to the Golden Key as well as a similar color scheme of Yuma's Duel Gazer. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 02:07, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- 69's face is of a similar shape and design to Tron's mask. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 02:23, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Uhhh… Not really. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 12:06, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- 69's face is of a similar shape and design to Tron's mask. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 02:23, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- That is true. I said They GENERALLY do not. I dont really know about 69, but 17's horns are shaped like Shark's hair, and 39 shares a similar design to the Golden Key as well as a similar color scheme of Yuma's Duel Gazer. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 02:07, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- But similarities in appearances do occur, take 17, 39, and 69. All of them have similarities to their holder's looks. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:46, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- I misread you, I make mistakes. But what I said is true, and you only followed up on it with what you just said. Appearance? No. Desires? Yes. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 01:36, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- No, friend, the challenge was "Name one Number that shares nothing with it's owner." Not just appearance, in design. 25 shares Cameron Clix's desire to great news shots. 72 is the guy's fondness for Shogi. 15 and 40, IV's overall personality and desire to crush his opponents. You just assumed I meant appearance only. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:17, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- I believe this was a talk about APPEARANCE. NOTHING ELSE. I even explained that in what I said. I will give you 2, 3, 4, and the others who we dont know who their original owners are, but like I said, the others share nothing in terms of appearance. You only think my point is invalid because you completely missed it. Since you have trouble seeing it, I will put it simply: Numbers generally do not share any sort of appearance with their owners. Their design is based on their desires, not what their owners look like. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 01:11, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- A) Name one Number that shares nothing with it's owner. B) Look under the monster, Kyoji is standing right there, and C) Fine, I done talking to a bunch of brick wall, but without any kind of trivia here, you may as well, delete the whole page. No sense in having a blank page, right? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 23:05, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- First off, THANK YOU UltimateKuriboh for giving an easy solution to this. Second, pretty much everything I wanted to say has pretty much already been said. Not all the Numbers share a part of their appearance with their owners. As a matter of fact, very few of them do. This is not one of them. I don't know what pictures you are looking at, but they are not Kyoji if they have hair look like this monster's head/fur. At this point, this has already been decided. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 21:25, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- In every image of Kyoji I see, I see connections to this card. It's no coincidence. Hairstyles match, motif = basis. It's all intentional. Other than maybe Number 25, all the numbers have slight connections with their holders, and the same goes for this card and Kyoji. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:51, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- "spikes are the shape". What shape? Spiky-shaped? At least "Number 70" has its "spiky hair" arranged in an orderly fashion; 2 spikes on each side with 1 in the middle (and 4 spikes beneath those spikes). If you want further support, look at this image in particular. Not very spiky. Or in fact, look at any other image of Kyoji Yagumo. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 17:37, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- He never said that all Numbers look the same as their users; it is the user's name, wishes, appearance, history etc. It is not necessarily the appearance, as it is seems that this Number is a reflection of his sadistic attitude. Energy X ∞ 23:41, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
- Really? I thought it was a spider because he likes spiders. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 00:33, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
So...seeing as how the "NOs" outnumber the one "Yes" can someone remove the false trivia?F8lfire (talk • contribs) 00:59, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Would you mind waiting until the discussion is closed? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:04, August 21, 2013(UTC)
- seems open and shut to me, but whatever.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 01:20, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- You have done little in defense of your point, so you don't really have a call in this. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:22, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Everybody who signed has a call in this. Accept it. "Yes" outweighs "No". NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 01:35, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- whether i did or didnt my point of view has still outweighed and defeated yours.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 01:40, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Wrong. I've had a hell of a lot more points for than anyone has had against. I have the stronger point, even if it seems the majority has yet to understand it. I have fully defended my point of view, while you just said that there is no similarity and left it at that. Sorry, but in the real world, the case would be closed in my favor because I have fully defended my point while you have not. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:46, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- In the real world the case WAS in my favor(in was voted upon in a democratic matter), get over it My ingular point was superior to all of yours point WE win you lose...F8lfire (talk • contribs) 02:27, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, gee, if you're going to be that childish about it. Grow up. No one's going to take you seriously if you're going to act like a sore winner/loser. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 02:38, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- lol dont be so butthurt over a trivia page(i make you look bad)F8lfire (talk • contribs) 02:41, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Did what I say go in one eye and out the other? I said you're the one making yourself look bad, and that comment doesn't help you. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 02:52, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- In one eye and out the other? Lol What? and im pretty sure i look better than the guy getting butthurt because no one accepts his trivia.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 03:12, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
- lol dont be so butthurt over a trivia page(i make you look bad)F8lfire (talk • contribs) 02:41, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, gee, if you're going to be that childish about it. Grow up. No one's going to take you seriously if you're going to act like a sore winner/loser. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 02:38, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- You had one point. They are both spiky. Altogether, we have had more points than you. Besides, more points doesnt matter if they are all wrong. And in the real world, we would not be having this pointless discussion. Accept it. Its over. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 02:07, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Have you not been paying attention to our other conversation, friend? I have made several points there.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 02:23, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Alrighty then, name them. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 12:06, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Have you not been paying attention to our other conversation, friend? I have made several points there.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 02:23, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- In the real world the case WAS in my favor(in was voted upon in a democratic matter), get over it My ingular point was superior to all of yours point WE win you lose...F8lfire (talk • contribs) 02:27, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Wrong. I've had a hell of a lot more points for than anyone has had against. I have the stronger point, even if it seems the majority has yet to understand it. I have fully defended my point of view, while you just said that there is no similarity and left it at that. Sorry, but in the real world, the case would be closed in my favor because I have fully defended my point while you have not. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:46, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- You have done little in defense of your point, so you don't really have a call in this. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:22, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
You said that "Number 39" and "Number 69" look similar to their Number's holders. How so (especially in the case of "Number 39")? I don't deny they are based on their owners, but not actually appearance-wise, rather character-wise. I also believe that "Number 70" is obviously a manifestation of Kyoji's personality (namely, his "spider-like" abilites), but not his appearance very much.
In other news, I'm going to let this "vote" open for another day, then make an appropriate decision. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 02:09, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- As NMBRHNTR64 pointed out 39 shares a similar design to the Golden Key, and 69's face has a similar shape and design to Tron's mask. But to be honest, I am tired of fighting. My own stubbornness has reached it's limit. I do not give up my point, rather, if no one is going to listen to my defense and take it seriously, it's pointless to continue. Erase it if you wish, but if so, you probably should delete the whole page, as the Number trivia link is pointless without something else on the page. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 02:23, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Not really, it leads to the possible reasons why Numbers have their Numbers. Number 70 is exception. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 12:06, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
Stop please. Discussion over. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 03:29, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
Spider-like abilities[edit]
Um, would those abilities be caused by his Number card and not vice-versa? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 14:56, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
- While I'm unsure of a Number granting such a variety of abilities, feel free to edit the page after the page lock expires. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 16:21, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
- All I'm saying is it just seems weird, even by Yu-Gi-Oh! standards that a guy would have such abilities without some otherworldly source like a Number. Then again, who knows if those abilities didn't come from the same person who gave Captain Corn, Thunder Spark, and Cologne life. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 22:38, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
- I agree, it could easily be Dr. Faker, or maybe he was born with these abilities. Although, it is possible that these abilities came from the Number. Number 63 gave its holder great cooking abilities, Number 7 gave its holder incredible luck (though that was in the anime, it still counts). Altogether, it is not certain that he got the spider-like powers from Number 70. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 01:10, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps not; but still growing spider legs out of your back can't really be done normally, even in manga there's some kind of supernatural cause. Perhaps it could be explained as the duel between Heartland and Kyoji continues. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:56, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
- Sure, or if the Number is taken away and he never uses his abilities anymore, but that could also mean nothing. Err, i am sure we will find out eventually. THere is still a lot about his past and himself that has not yet been explained. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 20:18, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps not; but still growing spider legs out of your back can't really be done normally, even in manga there's some kind of supernatural cause. Perhaps it could be explained as the duel between Heartland and Kyoji continues. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:56, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
- I agree, it could easily be Dr. Faker, or maybe he was born with these abilities. Although, it is possible that these abilities came from the Number. Number 63 gave its holder great cooking abilities, Number 7 gave its holder incredible luck (though that was in the anime, it still counts). Altogether, it is not certain that he got the spider-like powers from Number 70. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 01:10, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
- All I'm saying is it just seems weird, even by Yu-Gi-Oh! standards that a guy would have such abilities without some otherworldly source like a Number. Then again, who knows if those abilities didn't come from the same person who gave Captain Corn, Thunder Spark, and Cologne life. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 22:38, August 22, 2013 (UTC)