Forum:A good replacement for card of safe return

I'm trying a Dark World deck and have it running extremely well with the sacred beasts. But i'm using Card of Safe Return and want to try it in a tourney. is there any good continuous spell card to replace it with? 24.1.246.71 (talk) 05:30, October 24, 2011 (UTC)Drimwalkr

Are you using all the sacred beasts? Well if you WEREN'T trying to be competetive I'd say try out "Super-Ancient Dinobeast" and "DNA Surgery" (though I'm pretty certain that doesn't work.) I have a few suggestions though none really uh great since I can't think of any amazing continous spells for what you might be going for. Sideck against another darkworld with "Blessings of the Nile" and "Corridor of Agony" for Glads, shouldn't affect you too badly. You could try some really weird recycle abuse of Grapha with "Ectoplasmer" but I think that's too slow and you would need to make sure to have a monster to bounce so minimal swarming. If you lack draw power (in a darkworld deck I would never know why) "Messenger of Peace" could give you time since the payment is optional and low cost. Lastly Darkworlds don't frequently summon low attackers (except Ceruli but eh) so you could try "Power Filter" to prevent some low level syncrho builds. Really though nothing comes to mind. It helps to post a decklist yeah. No signiture means I have none.

Sacred Beasts are no good with Dark Worlds. The only one that could be summoned is Raviel and I doubt it'd do well in Tournaments. Power Filter's not that good. Ectoplasmer's a waste of time... BF2 Talk Deck Guides 16:50, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well as I said no good continous spells come to mind and the ectoplasmer was an experimental mention. I said it was too slow but that was clearly overlooked. If you wanted potential large drawing get a "Maxx "C"" or something to a least threaten your opponent. Anyways power filter stops; shine ball, tour guide...usually, doppel warrior, spore/plaguespreader/glow up, kaigeki & kagemusha or something similar combos, debries dragon, mass karakuri synchroing, Quickdraw, frogs in general, and dragunity that relies on phalanx. That's a good look at the meta, it can do stuff. It can do a bit more looking at what is competetive right now but that is much more minor. at least consider sidecking.

• Eh look at a good list of continuous traps, there are so many that are much more useful as something to remain in the main deck, I say it's best to not even bother with Hammon. Also there are better 3 tribute monsters then Raviel, the ones I think best work (for this deck) for this would be "Beast King Barbaros" because well you don't always need tribute or "Arcana Force Ex - the Light Ruler" just to add cards back to your hand or have something durable...maybe "Destiny HERO - Plasma" but REALLY you are lowering your field presence so much, just to get these monsters out, it's not really worth it. Just focus more on the darkworld aspect. Egytian gods, wicked gods, and sacred beasts are rather mediocre for the difficulty of their summonings.

uhm, to bobafett2, who said that you can't use ALL the sacreds with dark world, you weren't thinking about the new structure deck. it really raises their compatability. also, i think you really don't understand my deck ideas, if you were the one on the blue-eyes/xyz forum.

i do use all three sacreds and severly abuse grapha, but i have three beiiges to help summon him back. if i wasn't trying to be competative, i'd just stick with my Card of Safe Return. but the Ectoplasmer is a fantastic idea. i'll have to try that one.

i really don't mind the tributing, that problem will be taken care of soon enough. as for Uria, i have Spellbinding Circle, Type Zero Magic Crusher, Robbin' Goblin and Escape from the Dark Dimension.

thanks for the advice, especially about the ectoplasmer 24.1.246.71 (talk) 22:53, October 24, 2011 (UTC)Drimwalkr

Hmmm did you just get the structure deck? Well replacements for what you already have, going with how you built this, I'd say replace Spellbinding with "Fiendish Chain", zero type with uh going for the damamge I'd say "Magical Thorn" since you added blessings. Transmigration can easily be replaced with "Forced Requisition" or "Appropriate" (just to give you more continous traps) though I'd say just use "Dark Scheme". Also the quickplay gateway is bad, either use more dealings or "Dragged Down into the Grave" since that triggers the secondary effects. One last thing really consdier the non sacred beast monsters you put in here. Beliel is a bad card and Zure can be replaced by more bron. If you can use more grapha and snow with less Scarr, Renge, Kahkki, and Gren then I advise such a course of action be taken.

Scarr and Gren are now useless. Just use three Grapha. Also, you need three Snoww. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 00:12, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

yeah, i know that belial's a bad card. i'm using it as a placeholder for a doom shaman.

how about 3 graphas, cerulis, snoww and beiiges and shadow spell instead of spellbinding? 24.1.246.71 (talk) 01:33, October 25, 2011 (UTC)Drimwalkr

Ceruli isn't very good. Beiige isn't very good. Spellbinding Circle and Shadow Spell are bad, use Fiendish Chain. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 16:37, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Seeing as the fine fellow boba came back I might as well comment here again...I agree with less ceruli but from the looks of it, beiige is here for raviel fodder since goldd and sillva are slightly harder to get out. I think the point of Scarr is it's no big deal to tribute with and if attacked, just as planned? If that's the case maybe 1 but eh. I have mentioned fiendish already but w/e if you don't want that and the shadowspell is purely to stall then use "Nightmare Wheel" if only because it can be used on facedown monsters to prevent "Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter" amoung others. I was going to say that this monster suggesting is off topic but if you like the criticism then gewd.

Scarr's no good anymore - just use Snoww. BF2 Talk Deck Guides

Ain't you fast to spot down only the bad? I'll say agreed overall, I think the op can figure out what to use at this point.

i'd like to point out boba, that snoww is only useful if your opponent's effects discard it. scar lets you get ceruli, which is fodder for reign-beaux, goldd, snoww and grapha 24.1.246.71 (talk) 22:34, October 25, 2011 (UTC)Drimwalkr

Wrong. Snoww searches for ANY Dark World card when discarded. The second effect is just an added bonus. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 12:54, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

the cards effect EXACTLY states "If this card was discarded to the graveyard by a card effect: if it was discarded from your hand to the graveyard by an opponent's card effect, you can target 1 monster in you opponent's graveyard; add 1 Dark World monster from your deck to your hand, then Special Summon that target (if any) in face up defense." While you are thinking of an effect similar to Sillva "If this card was discarded to the graveyard by a card effect: Special Summon it from the graveyard, then, if it was discarded from your hand to the graveyard by an opponent's card effect, your opponent returns exactly 2 cards from their hand to the bottom of their deck, in any order." Notice the subtle differences, like how Snoww states that it's effect is triggered by an opponent's cartd effect, but Sillva clearly states that any discard effect activates effect 1 but not effect 2. 24.1.246.71 (talk) 15:48, October 26, 2011 (UTC)Drimwalkr

Again, you don't understand. Before they changed to the new stupid wording, it was clear that Snoww gives a search after being discarded by your card effect. They've just changed the wording, not the effect. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 16:36, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

SNOWW DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE THE RE-WORDING. therefore, it's effect is as written on the card. on the advice pamphlet from the Gates of the Underworld structure deck, they have a section set aside for the understanding how the effects work and what ids considered a discard by card effect. the section before the semicolon (;) is a cost; after it is an effect. the cost on Snoww is "... by a card effect: if it was discarded from your hand to the graveyard by an opponent's card effect, you can target 1 monster in you opponent's graveyard;..."

thus, one needs ceruli or dark bribe, which is HIGHLY unreliable, to activate Snoww's effect. no if or buts about it. Snoww's card adding ability hinges on the opponent discarding it.

try thinking more strategically and try to understand the whole effect before you deem a card useless. like the troop dragon that we have argued about before, there is more than one way to play a card. 24.1.246.71 (talk) 19:14, October 26, 2011 (UTC)Drimwalkr the Nightmare Dragon

Again, you still don't get it. Read the rulings for Snoww. I don't know what you're talking about in regards to Troop Dragon. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 19:15 , October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Card Rulings:Snoww, Unlight of Dark World. Read this: If this card is discarded by your own card effect, then you have not activated an effect which Special Summons a monster, so "Royal Oppression" cannot be Chained to the effect. If this card is discarded by an opponent's card effect. then when the effect activates, you choose whether or not to apply the effect which Special Summons a monster. Thus, "Royal Oppression" can be Chained only if at activation you choose to apply the effect which Special Summons a monster.[2] BF2 Talk Deck Guides 20:45, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Does that mean that goldd can also be special summoned if he's discarded by a card effect, not just by an opponent's? 24.1.246.71 (talk) 04:56, October 28, 2011 (UTC)Drimwalkr

Goldd and Silva have always been like that since thier original apperance, the wording you see on Snow and reprints are just a shortened description. Card Errata:Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World the same goes for Silva but the second effects don't trigger.

Exactly. The new wording is just confusing as hell. BF2 Talk Deck Guides 18:19, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

well, if they'd get the ordering right on the new wording it'd be fine. it just leads to major misunderstandings. but that would require a company to think smart, not necessarily a sound business practice 24.1.246.71 (talk) 04:04, October 29, 2011 (UTC)Drimwalkr