Forum:Ban?

Forbiden:

rescue cat

Infernity Archfiend

limited:

Infernity Archfiend

Substitoad

Machina gear frame

lonefire blossom

Semi limited:

Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow

X-Saber Airbellum

Infernity launcher

Machina fortress

Tragoedia

summoner monk

Solidarity

Mind master

necro gardna

Necroface

Charge of the light brigade

Reasoning

no loger limited:

Cyber dragon

Honest

skill drain

Goblin zombie

MobiusxXx (talk • contribs) 03:20, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

lolwut? Target the gun instead of the Archfiend, and the Fortress instead of the Gearframe. Also, no Summoner Monk at 2. We don't want to see Decks where they pull off 1 level 8 Synchro once per turn. Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 16:54, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Here's the thing, people say that if Launcher gets hit, then Archfiend doesn't need to get hit. WRONG! Archfiend can search out ANY Infernity card. Now, even though Launcher will be hit, he can still grab ANYTHING that says Infernity. Do you know how good that is of a searcher? Very.--Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 23:44, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

However, without the Gun but with the Archfiend, Infernities can still be a good archetype without being able to pull off a OTK so easily. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 00:55, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

True, they can be a good archetype. But come on, Infernity Archfiend has to be able to search more things in the deck than any other monster I know (YES, that INCLUDES Sangan, since he can search a s/t too). Infernity Archfiend has to be one of the best searchers I've seen in a VERY long time. Honestly, Semi-Limiting him would be quite fair.--Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 01:17, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

True, but if the meta is to be rebalanced, then Gun needs to go, and the archfiend will be decided upon later. Maybe they should just errata him, or something. Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 02:15, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

IMHO, something is screaming "Cat won't be touched, but say goodbye to 'Cold Wave'!!" at me. "Cold Wave" makes the anti-Cat play impossible. I also find it hard to believe Cat will get hit immediately after the release of new Beast monsters. If you hit "Cold Wave", then players have a chance to counter the Cat play, whether with Torrential, Mirror Force, Bottomless, D-Prison, whatever. You can then counter it. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 10:10, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Cold wave is not a big problem, because is limit to 1 and cat too. But cat has so more use than cold wave....so I don't think it gonna go. But Cat is very popular in so many decks and just summoning 2 monster for free is kinda heavy, is a quick synchro. MobiusxXx (talk • contribs) 17:05, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

There are too many ways to abuse Rescue Cat Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 18:38, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, which is why he might go forbidden. All of the Beast-Type monsters he gets out don't even stay on the field until the End Phase, when they would be destroyed. By the way, does anyone know when Konami posts the September 2010 list to the public?--Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 21:11, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

September. Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 21:25, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

they usually post it in the middle of august so it is effective sptember 1st--Bwinggale (talk • contribs) 22:18, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I would think so. Thank you. Anyways, doesn't anyone think the Gadgets might go Limited? They have Gadget Oppression AND give Fortress an easy Summon.--Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 00:03, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

NO WAY! The Machina Structure Deck is probaly one of the bestselling structure Decks, EVAR! If Gadgets get banned/limited, then Yu-Gi-Oh! Will be mass chaos during the next tournament after the Ban List! GASP! Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 00:34, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

No surprise if they got Semi'd, though. There was a short period where they got that status. But what's making the Gadgets feared is the use and abuse of certain one-for-one removal. However, rather than restricting the Gadgets, I feel that Machina Fortress is more likely to take the hit. Hit the fortress, the Gadgets have one less use of their massive hand advantage, and there will no longer be a need to do anything to Machina Gearframe, which is in itself a fair card. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 14:07, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but when you think about it, people run their Gadgets at 2 each. Semi-ing them wouldn't really do anything. That's why I say they need to go Limited. If they go Limited, you have a limit to how many times you can get Fortress out. Not just, (Player 1)"Oh...you destroyed my Fortress....oh, it's my turn? Alrighty, I'll bring back Fortress out. (Player 2) Thaaat's just greeaat." With them Limited, it'll be more like. (Player 1)" Damnit, he destroyed my Fortress." (Player 2) YEAH!"---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 20:16, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

There are many ways to get rid of Machina Fortress. Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 01:42, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well yeah, all Remove From Play stuff is just broken like crazy. A lot of top tier monsters rely on Graveyeard and the such. Those monster are still probably going to take a hit though.---Yugioh DED (talk • contribs) 03:47, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Er, I think Necro will still be limited. As for Solidarity, it needs to be a bit more limited but I doubt they'll touch it. Megadeth9887 (talk • contribs) 04:05, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

meh, i think archfiend to 2 is fine if launcher/gun is at 1/2. Lumina needs to come back to 2. why lonefire blossom? it lost it's broken status when it went to 2. otherwise this looks fine. Shadowfox337 (talk • contribs) 04:31, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

New in list... honest, Cyber dragon, X-Saber Airbellum, machina fortress, Necroface, Reasoning, Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow, Substitoad . MobiusxXx (talk • contribs) 23:36, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Infernity only need "Launcher" to be limited. It is the sole reason for the Deck being as powerful as it is. Limiting "Archfiend" would kill the archetype. And it's not as though Archfiend can't be stopped by "Thunder King Rai-Oh". I still maintain that "Cat" goes untouched in light of heavy Beast support. Let me ask you this, when playing X-Sabers, is it "Cat" that wins the game, or the onslaught of 2-3 "Faultroll" that hit the field after "Cat"? Whatever the "Cat" spawns can easily be dealt with through any form of 1f1 removal, but it's the inability to counter "Cat" and defend against multiple "Faultroll" that makes the Deck so potent. This is my reasoning for "Cold Wave" and/or "Faultroll" getting hit. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 03:13, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, who bumped Infernity Archfiend to the Forbidden section, and cancelled Infernity Launcher off the Limited section? It wasn't there the last time I saw it. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 12:05, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

lol I made the great damage to the list =D. MobiusxXx (talk • contribs) 17:17, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, right. It makes sense for the original writer to amend his list. Well, as the above mentioned, Launcher's more likely going to take the hit than Archfiend to keep the archetype strong and playable yet not overpowered. I'm not sure why you're thinking Honest will be unlimited - sure, it lends lots of support to LIGHT Decks, but its instant-guarantee-a-battle-won with very few ways to counter should warrant a little bit of control on it. Not to mention it can stack. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 12:17, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

"Okay, my Ryko will attack your Dragon, and I discard three Honests...and you lose 10200 Life Points." Good Game. Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 18:15, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Even worse, my Batteryman AAA Attacks your [Dragon Master Knight]] (at 8000), oh, and I discard three Honests and you lose 16000, DEATH--BassNettoHikari2 (talk • contribs) 17:49, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Rescue Cat is staying Limited, and here's why: Because we usually copy Japan's list, Cat needs to be broken in Japan for it to get banned. Pot of Duality, for example, probably will get hit, because it is being run in almost every Japanese deck I've seen. The thing is so broken, someone should call a electrician.76.250.226.248 (talk) 12:33, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

That was a BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD pun. Pot of Duality is seeing more action, but it's cost is usually a drawback, or gives Decks that don't SS an advantage, since they usually don't have as much. Rescue Cat is seeing more support, so screw Japan's meta, Rescue Cat is broken. --Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk) 18:43, August 11, 2010 (UTC)