Forum:Banisharks for DFF V. Ace

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Like the title says, its for DFF, and I need some conversation about this build, open to all suggestions. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 15:21, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, Skull Lair. I suggest you drop a Wingtortoise for Foolish Burial, and squeeze in Fishborg.

Usually whenever you draw it :3, there's no treeborn, so...
Forgotten Temple of the Deep btw
3 Diva probly too,
-Resk (✩) 20:49, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

What I meant is that the Deck is Special Summoning Wingtortoise every time a monster is banished, and then it's Special Summoning during your next Standby after each attack/Orca-pop. When is there an opening for Pot of Consistency? 207.233.120.2 (talk) 21:54, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Lappy is that you, you're like the only person that says, "Pot of Consistency", anyway, yeah 3 diva would probably be good. I think I'll drop a Killer Frilled Shark, Wingtortoise, the Pot are there to get the staples and Air Orca. If you need a card, PoD gives you a better chance. Yes, I remembered the Temple, but I felt without at least 1 Codarus, well you get my point. I went ahead and edited it a bit. The Fishborg could work but only with Gillman and Diva. The rest of the deck isn't really Level 3 or less WATER monsters, also Shark Sucker and Frilled Shark. If you guys see any more problems, well just post. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 00:57, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

That's not me, actually, so apparently I'm not the only one XD Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 01:04, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Anyways, looking at the deck, I have only a few problems with it that immediately jump out at me. 1. Sky Oni-Eating Ray: Is it really that useful? Don't you have much better ways to Banish a monster than doing 600 points of damage? 2. Wingtortoise looks like the best card in the deck. I would definitely run 3 if I was building Banisharks. 3 Deep Sea Diva: The deck is meant to Xyz, not Synchro. If you think it works better like this then go ahead, but that's just my 2 cents from looking at the deck. 4. Pot of Duality: Like that guy said, I don't think you'll get a lot of chance to use it. If it works then it works, but I think there are a lot of decks that are running Duality that shouldn't be. 5. Fish and Kicks: Either you frequently have enough Banished monsters and this card is godly and should be run in 3s (both MST and Smashing plus it Banishes) or you rarely have enough Banished monsters and this card shouldn't be run at all. That second point also applies to Oh F!sh!. If you have enough monsters to use it, great, but if you don't then drop it. I really don't know how the deck plays.

Anyways, that's my analysis from glancing at the new cards. Take it as you will. :3 Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 01:18, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you mean, anyway I'll sleep on it. The PoD I get ya and the IP on that one, makes sense overall, but what about Gold Sarcophagus? A little slow, but gives the ability to use Oh Fish,and seriously Konami what's up with the name(Don't have to answer random question after comma)? ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 03:36, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

What's up with people thinking Sarc is good? >.< No. Don't run Sarc except in Exodia that's not FTK. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 03:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Just a thought, Lappy, just a thought. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 03:47, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

What about in a Levair-Tour Guide deck?BobaFett2 (talk)

That's a great idea, except that Tour is like $100 apiece. I'll ask for the poster budget. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 15:12, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Version 2(Pure Xyz)

So, 42 cards. Now BF2, could you also give me the edits to create a Levair-Tour deck? Anyway got rid of Synchros, I think with Triple Skull Lair and Temple of the Deep, that Fish and Kicks will really work. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 20:18, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe, -2 Fish and Swaps, to bring it 40? I'm really not sure how useful F + S would really be. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 20:42, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

You should add Moray of Greed for drawing extra cards and Superancient Deepsea King Coelacanth, becuase it lets you synchro summon or xyz summon very fast. You can use it to summon 2 level 4 fish and Fishborg Blaster to synchro summon Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier or Mist Wurm. Another amzing use for it, is to xyz summon at least 2 xyz monsters. Another usefull card to add is Salvage because it lets you recycle 2 water monsters. You can also use Return from the Different Dimension to swarm the field

[email protected] (talk • contribs) 21:15, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

I want to keep the F+S, because at some point you'll have to banish a monster you might need. So 2 F+S would be good,or would Return from the Different Dimension be better than both F+S? And theirs already one that uses Deepsea King, I'll tell the poster about it. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 21:46, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
He wants a Aqua Jet in the deck, maybe -2 Fish and Swaps, + Return from the Different Dimension, and + 1 Aqua Jet? ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 21:51, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

yes , they should add those cards but, I still strongly recomend the other cards that I mentioned, they would really boost the decks consistency and make the deck much more competitive(is this deck supposed for competitive gameplay

[email protected] (talk • contribs) 22:01, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

A lot of the new Fish monsters are not WATER, making the WATER support ineffective. Coelacanth would require a total rebuild. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 22:14, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

But I would have to completely remake the deck, and I told you I would give the poster this build and the one I already made that uses Deepsea King, I don't really like Moray, to chancy, Salvage? Really the deck is going to be Banish a ton with Skull Lair. I don't think there will be 2, and haven't you noticed that the deck has a bunch of WIND and only a few WATER monsters. Surface works on Sea Serpent, Fish or Aqua, plus you only need 1 monster in grave to make that work. Not to mention Empty Space Sea Serpent Levaiel will just swarm the field with more monsters every turn. Also, I'm pretty sure this deck will be for fun play. We ended up having an editing conflict. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 22:20, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
Edited the deck with some ideas. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 22:22, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
Should I drop a Skull Lair, for some reason, I'm feeling 3 maybe 1 too much. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 22:35, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

salvage is actuaally good the majority of oxyz summons in the duel will result in them being in the grave , even it is a fish remove from game deck plus if you summon brioic it gives you extra cards to discard. The moray of greed is not very situtational either(even it is then just run 1 or 2 copies). you remove most of them from the grave anyway so i you use brionic(or any othe discard cost)you casncan effectivley dump them back in with brionic then remove the form play , and that will bouce their card using no hand advantage

[email protected] (talk • contribs) 22:54, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

I will say this again: There are not enough WATER monsters to run Salvage or Moray of Greed. Over half the deck is WIND monsters. Ace, I'd probably go -1 Skull Lair and - 1 Forgotten Temple. You probably shouldn't run 3 unless it's really good for the deck, which Temple really doesn't seem like it is. Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 22:58, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

This just occurred to me. Xyz Monsters don't have levels, and most of the deck is Level 3. Gravity Bind? Level Limit - Area B? Lappyzard (talk • contribs) 22:59, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

I remembered the Gravity and Level Limit, just had trouble squeezing them in, but the minus Lair and Temple make room for both. Which should give an added layer of protection, since Air Orca and Fly-Fang leave the field ever turn, though Fly-Fang probably isn't gonna be around for 1 turn. ---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 03:19, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
I went ahead and gave it to the poster, he was getting a bit inpatient---Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 13:49, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
Any thoughts on "Lost Blue Breaker" and "Evil-Spawning Riverbed"? I don't know how effective they are.
Designless Square (talk • contribs) 15:27, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Zero Force. It's amazing if all of your monsters get removed due to their effects if you're ever in trouble. I run 3 in my Banishark deck, and it ruins my friend's BatterySwarm deck. Adamtheamazing64 (talk • contribs) 19:54, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

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