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It was recently brought up on Talk:Seto Kaiba#Movie as to whether or not Yu-Gi-Oh! The Movie: Pyramid of Light is canon to the anime series. I'd always assumed it was non-canon because it would create continuity errors and its events are never mentioned in the series. But looking further into, I don't see any continuity problems. Yu-Gi-Oh! 3D Bonds Beyond Time is canon, but only very briefly mentioned in the main series for something that would be a huge ordeal to the characters.
Anyway there are three main continuities documented here and a lot of smaller ones. Out of the main ones, the manga, the first anime series and the second anime series, can we determine which sources are to be considered canon?
For a lot of the additional story lines, where the plot makes sense with or without them, I don't think there is an official stance on whether they're part of the main story or not and it's open to fan interpretation. But for presentation purposes, we need to make some establishment.
| Manga | First anime | Second anime |
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I think we can immediately rule out "Evolving Duel! Stardust VS Red Demons", since Jack is still King after Leo and Luna have become friends with Akiza enough to sit together in the audience. He stopped being King before they knew each other that well in the main series. For Yu-Gi-Oh! Capsule Monsters, people have said there's some continuity error regarding Shadi, but I don't quite get it. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:26, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know if there's a continuity issue with Capsule Monsters, as I never actually watched it. However, I would say many people probably consider it non-canon simply because it was made in dubbed form first. Most fans seem to consider R to be non-canon as well, while the GX and 5D's mangas are considered part of manga continuity. I know nothing about the movie ani-manga, and I believe everything else is generally considered canon (again, going by general opinion on several YGO forums).
- The bunkoban is a revised version of the manga, yes? Does it retcon anything note-worthy? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:03, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
- I've heard talk of there being scrapped work on a Japanese version of Yu-Gi-Oh! Capsule Monsters, Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters ALEX, but yeah I think we can call it non-canon on the basis of there not being a released Japanese version. The same can said for the movie animanga, unless it doesn't make any huge changes of it's own in which case it doesn't matter.
- I know of at least two bunkoban changes that might be considered retcons, but I'm sure there are more. Instead of saying the soul of the Pharaoh drove Marik's father to his death, Shadi tells Marik that the tragedy of his family was the will of the Pharaoh. Kaiba's vision of Priest Seto holding Kisara before the tablet is changed, so Priest Seto is wearing the clothes he has later in the series. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:31, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
- I thought there was a Japanese version of Capsule Monsters called that. Regardless, I think it's considered non-canon by most because it was basically a cash-in by 4Kids.
- Interesting. So Takahashi hasn't stated something along the lines of "events in the original manga are canon unless conflicted by the bunkoban? If not, we may just want to note both versions in relevant areas and specify that which is canon isn't known.
- To expand on what I said above, I believe R is generally considered non-canon solely because it was wasn't written by Takahashi and stars the DM characters. I don't know if there's anything in R that contradicts anything else. The only manga I've read is it in GX. Problem is, I don't think there's ever been official word on ANYTHING in regards to canocity. So I think we should really consider everything to be canon unless it directly contradicts a known canon event, and maybe add a note that says "whether these events happened or not is unknown". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:53, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
I haven´t read Yu-Gi-Oh! R but the article about it hints Pegasus´dead. In the manga he was killed by Bakura after duelist kingdom and in the anime he is still alive in season 4 so if he dies it is set into an alternate timeline.--93.128.5.157 (talk) 17:54, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, Pegasus is dead in the manga and alive in the anime. The anime and manga are considered separate timelines. Both are canon, but neither are canon to one another. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:45, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Is R Pegasus' last non-flashback appearance in the manga, though? If he appears in GX, 5D's, or ZEXAL, we suddenly have a continuity error. 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:51, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Pegasus only appears in flashbacks in R. His last non-flashback manga appearance is at the end of Duelist Kingdom, where Dark Bakura has left him at a table with blood streaming out of his eye socket. He's said to have died in sources outside of R. In the Battle City part of the manga, Esper Roba says that Pegasus is dead and I think Takasahi said it in an interview. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:06, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks for clearing that up. So Pegasus' status doesn't create any type of continuity error between the manga series. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:43, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
