Forum:Card release types and the image policy

This is something I've been thinking about for a while now, but it only recently came to a head for me: how, in terms of the image policy, do we handle card release types such as Official Proxies, Giant Cards, and Oversized Promos/Case Toppers (for that matter, is "Oversized Promo" or "Case Topper" more widely used/known, or is there some difference between the two, and if so, what? are there any other such release types we should worry about?)? Up to now, I've treated them all as special card editions, but File:ShootingStarDragon-STBL-EN-OSP-UE.png raises the possibility that we'd want to separately document in image names a card print's edition and its release type, so now I'm leaning more towards saying the release type is an "extra" information bit, akin to "NC", colored Duelist League promos, or "Spell", in which case it would go after the edition, not before (though this doesn't mean we'd start including the edition on all such images; it would still be optional and normally omitted).

P.S. Yes, this means {{OCG-TCG card image}} supports OP, GC, and OSP card images, but we should probably hold off on running around adding it to more such images until this discussion is resolved (since it could mean a new parameter being added). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 17:30, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

*bump* 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:11, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Giant Cards are the huge ones (tournament prize). Oversized Promo (Case Topper) are the buyable ones (14cm x 20.5cm). Official Proxies are the computer graphic ones (not printed out)

I thought we were treating OP/etc as the rarity.

(not mentioned yet), in the case of editions, there has only ever been 1 case where different editions of the same card was made. File:InzektorAxeZektahawk-ORCS-EN-OP.jpg and File:InzektorAxeZektahawk-ORCS-EN-OP-LE.jpg.

So, if we change something, it should be adding editions as well. Or should we leave it, and only have editions on the rare ones, similar to no editions on most JP cards. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:06, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

My understanding has been that a case topper is something you get free when you make a particular large purchase, e.g. buying an entire Booster Pack box at once. And the case topper is sometimes, but not necessarily, an oversized card. -- Deltaneos (talk) 13:05, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Part of my original question seems to have tripped you guys up a bit, where I asked about Oversized Promos versus Case Toppers: I understand the distiction between OP/OSP/GC cards, and was instead asking whether Oversized Promo and Case Topper were indeed the exact same thing, in which case I wanted to know which one is generally more widely recognized/used. Personally, if they are the same thing (or close enough that we don't need to worry about the distinction), I'd prefer to use "Case Topper" here, mostly because it has a nice, distinct two-letter abbreviation (CT) that doesn't collide with any rarity or edition or any other release type, unlike "Oversized Promo".

Falzar: There are a huge number of OP images in Shonen Jump, presumably going back to the very first issue (they're in the April 2003 issue, which is the earliest issue I own, so it seems reasonable that the prior 3 issues would have them as well); I haven't even tried making an exhaustive list of them yet, but there's every possibility that there will be more examples of the same OP card with different editions present somewhere in there. It's also possible that I could find the same card from the same set, but with different rarities. Therefore (and because we can't really predict what Konami might do in the future with OP cards), I'm thinking we may as well start treating OP et al separately from the rarity/edition, at least for the purposes of image classification; doing so would not make including the rarity or edition a necessity - they would remain optional, and the vast majority of the time, could be omitted just as they are now. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 15:57, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the Oversized Promo and Case Topper thing.

In most OPs, you can't even tell what rarity it is in the first place, which is why OP was used in place of the rarity tag.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:13, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

I understand that. As I said above, this change would not actually mean anything different for the vast majority of OP cards (very possibly, it would end up never making any functional difference). There is, however, still the ever-present chance that we could find a pair of such OP cards - or Konami could release such a pair - and in that case, I'd rather have functionality designed for the possibility then have to bend over backwards trying to hack a patch in, or hardcode the template and forevermore have to remember to update those images every time the template is improved. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 04:44, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

So, Template:OCG-TCG card image doesn't break if you leave one of the name tags out?

Can I have examples of names? Current name example, followed by new name example. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 05:34, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Right. Everything after the card name and language/region is now optional (though I haven't tested what actually happens if those are the only bits of info you use).

Sure. Only using OP examples (because my brain's a bit shot now, and as a result I'm feeling pretty lazy), and ignoring other changes needed to bring the names in line with the image policy:

• File:PhotonSabreTigerPHSW-EN-OP.png --> File:PhotonSabreTigerPHSW-EN-OP.png
• File:PhoenixGearfriedSDWS-EN-OP.png --> File:PhoenixGearfriedSDWS-EN-OP.png
• File:TheWingedDragonofRaJUMP-EN-OP.jpg --> File:TheWingedDragonofRaJUMP-EN-OP.jpg

In a hypothetical case of a card needing both the release type and rarity/edition, the release type would always come last. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:50, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

No change? So what you meant was, in the rare case we know the rarity, we just tap it in on the name? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 06:05, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Precisely. I guess I should have straight-up said it first thing, instead of beating around the bush as is my style. =D

Back to Case Topper verses Oversized Promo: if no one can point out a distinction, or proof that "Oversized Promo" is the more widely used/known name, I'd prefer to switch to "Case Topper" (as I said above); are there any objections to this? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:13, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it would have been much less confusing. I wouldn't mind adding -Rarity to OPs, as long as people don't start guessing the rarity (which was done in the past, when -OP wasn't available)

So we'll start adding -Edition to OP/etc as well? If this is true, then there will now be no reason to leave out -UE on -JP cards (as mentioned on the Image policy).

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:46, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think there'll be too much of a problem, so long as we don't run around screaming "HEY LOOK YOU CAN TOTALLY ADD RARITIES TO OP ETC. NOW BUT DON'T DO IT UNLESS IT'S NEEDED OR WE'LL DO UNSPEAKABLE THINGS TO YOU". =D

We'll be able to, but like rarity, it will be optional and normally omitted. OP etc. isn't actually the reason edition has been omitted on JP cards up to now, either; that would be because no JP card we've been able to point to has ever been released as anything other than UE, so several people don't see the point in specifying the edition on JP cards. I've tried to change it a couple of times, but both times it's been rejected. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 16:50, March 10, 2012 (UTC)