Forum:Do you believe Gladiator Beasts will be hit this time around?

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  • Thanks, I figured now was the right time to add it. Stay tuned for further sections.--TwoTailedFox (My Talk Page) 17:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what most of you all think, but I am certainly tired of seeing Gladiator Beasts destroying the competition at tournaments. I feel that with the upcoming ban list Upper Deck/Konami needs to hit GBs hard. I don't think they'll ban Gladiator Beast Gyzarus, but they may limit Gladiator Beast Bestiari so that Gyzarus is harder to bring out. I'm pretty tired of seeing Gyzarus being tagged in to destroy two cards, then tagged out for Gladiator Beast Laquari and some other GB, then watching those two contact fuse with another GB to bring out Gladiator Beast Heraklinos all in the same turn.

If you look at the largest tournaments you'll see that GB's are straight up dominating everybody else. The two players in the finals at the 2008 World Championships had GBs. 12 out of the top 16 at the Canada Shounen Jump Championship were GBs. It's not healthy for the game. Now with Duelist Genesis coming out we have to worry about Goyo Guardian, Gladiator Beast Chariot, and Gladiator Beast Equeste which can bring back any GB card from the Graveyard (including spells and traps). What do you all think about this, and how do you think Upper Deck/Konami will respond to the GB domination? Subcontinental86 01:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that all Gladiator Beasts should be BANNED, because they are for desperate duelists, the way they keep coming back. No offense to the people who run them, but they keep going back into the deck. Duels with Gladiator Beasts are way longer than duels without them.

I think the main GB's should be banned (or limited). Bestiari especially. Bluedog 03:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

  • I don't know, Duelist Genesis could be what we need. Combining Red Dragon Archfiend and Earthquake could make a nice comeback, stardust too. But in any case, the fusion Materials should be limited or semi. Dmaster (Contribs • Count) 03:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think GB's will be hit this time around, but I think some of them should get hit. I think Bestiari and Laquari should be semi-limited. Though Equeste's effect is so nice I believe he should probably even be semi-limited. Other than GB's being hit, I think that Judgment Dragon should be limited. I hate how my opponent is just about to lose or has absolutely no chance and then all of a sudden I see a Judgment Dragon on the field and all my cards have been destroyed. I especially hate it when my opponent uses JD's effect, then summons the other 2 JD's from their hand for an OTK. That card is just as cheap as Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End if not more cheap. Animedude3000 04:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Bestiari should be Limited, and Elemental Hero Prisma banned. SuperTeddy 05:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Limiting GBs doesn’t change to much, since they would just tag out from the deck just as easily if there was 1 or 3 most of the time. A very big blow to GBs would be limiting Test Tiger, since it helps them tag out. If Waboku or defensive tactics got limited it may also slow them a bit. I really don’t think Prisma should be banned, since Prisma is meant for fusion and not just GB. I wouldn’t mind Prisma getting limited though. Hopefully something like Prisma, Test Tiger, Darius, and Bestari Limited. On a slightly unrelated note I think Synchro monsters may be able to beat GB Decks. I was testing my Synchro Deck, which was just from 1 5D Starter deck and some Preview Cards, against my Cousin’s GB and actually won the match. His GB Deck isn’t the best, but neither was my Synchro. Bio 20:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

G. Beasts Rule.

I think there should be more gladiator beast monsters and specially more fusions. None should be banned. I'm in the process of making a gladiator beast deck. Gladiator beasts take duels to a new level! But soon the gladiator beasts will be old. I still think the Gladiator's will still be the best or among the best deck stratagey in the game!

Yes, about that...

This thread really is the following: the ones with GB say they shouldn't be banned (perfect example: post just on top of this one) and the ones who don't say they should be Limited.

I say, do whatever you want, but, Knoami/whoever thinks up those cards, MAKE. MORE. WAYS. TO. STOP. THEM! Currently, the only cards we have will not only shut down the GB's, but your own cards as well. Limiting most of them helps a bit, but as said before, they just search out for one another. The only thing with Limiting is that you can send all necessary Fusion Materials to the Graveyard/RFP-Zone more easily.Boilman 22:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that the gladiator beasts fusions should be banned, specially Gyzarus, the rest of gladiator beasts are good but not game-breaking. The problem lies on that they are too easy to get in play, I bet they are one of the easiest fusion monsters to summon.

85.48.39.17 22:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd say... Banning (or Limiting, so's not to completely break GB decks) Darius, rather than Bestiari or Laquari. I've noticed that it is because of Darius that my opponent gets a quick second or third G-Beast on the field for a fusion. >.< Eminentjonfrost 20:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

  • The goal is not to Break the Glad decks just to hurt them and make them harder to run. -- Dragon of chaos 20:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, "break" was a strong word, but I'm positive banning Darius would make summoning Heraklinos the chore it should be to summon. Eminentjonfrost 22:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

  • I haven't faced Heraklinos much, but I have to say that Gyzarus is much more annoying IMO. It's so easy to summon, destroys two cards on my field, attacks, tags out for a Laquari and Darius (which brings another GB from the graveyard), then all of the sudden I'm staring at a Heraklinos. Bestari needs to be limited, and Gyzarus needs to be banned IMO. Subcontinental86 06:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Just my input, but cards like Vanity's Fiend, Vanity's Ruler. Jowgen the Spiritualist and the like seem to stop these cards from working most of the time. If you don't want the monsters, there's always Special Hurricane and Horn of Heaven/Black Horn of Heaven

I actually don't mind Gyzarus as much now that Stardust Dragon is out. What I hate now is someone using Gladiator Beast War Chariot on my Stardust or any other effect monster. I hate it so much. Why did they give GB's a free divine wrath? It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. And my opponent can just recycle it with Gladiator Beast Equeste. Animedude3000 02:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Synchro Undead

Well actually, Gladilator Beast won't be hitting the field very long, as now a lot of new card have great power, and now the most popular deck synchro undead is now hitting the field and stealing the crown of gladilator beast with high speed summoning couold keep gladilator beast out

GB - Should be Hit.

Gladiator beasts should be hit this time around though the main problems with it is these cards. Test Tiger, Darius, and Gyzarus. The reasoning for this is that Darius works like a monster reborn/Premature when its tagged in (Almost always) and that allows for faster swarming of Gladiator beasts. Though Zombie Synchro (Not Synchro Undead, doesn't have a ring to it :P) does have swarming advantages they just manage to keep up with glad beasts, they do have a far greater weakness though. Necrovalley does kill their deck. They cant remove Mezuki from play, they cant special summon using zombie master, I am not sure if they can or cannot considering I dunno the ruling but Plaguespreader's effect might/might not work depending if its targeting. Zombie synchro also loses a lot of power if it loses cards of safe return, a main card for drawing more and more to get more fuel to discard for special summons. For Glad beasts the counters they have given players are things that either hurt many deck types or that people wont be able to run. Running Summon limit for glad beasts just isn't practical, neither is deck lock down since you cant search either. Totally removing the point of any search card or special summon from the deck. Reinforcement of the army doesn't work, E call doesn't work. It stops a main force in warrior support cards. The only solution for glad beasts should be limiting or banning certain cards. Gyzarus would be a good start because gyzarus is fairly easy to get out and destroys two CARDS on the field when it is fusion ed. Even monarchs don't have that much destructive power, Mobius has 2 Spells or traps, Caius has remove from play ONE. I am sure that some of the GB's will get a ban or limit of some sort but the first that should get one is Gyzarus. Test tiger might or would be next in my opinion.--Takuma. 00:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

  • I've been playing against my friend's Fissure Glads recently, and it's really become beyond annoying. The card that bothers me the most is Gladiator Beast War Chariot. Once Gladiator Beast Samnite is released, War Chariot will become searchable on top of already being recyclable and costless. IMO it's completely unfair. Glads already have such a vast toolbox, and it's so much stronger with War Chariot roaming about untouched. I've been at locals, and many of the GB duelists there claim that they'd rather see 2 War Chariots in hand rather than 2 Test Tigers. Gladiator Beast Gyzarus and Test Tiger are annoying too. I'd love to see Gyzarus get banned, but it won't happen. Test Tiger could get semi-limited or limited, but I doubt they'll touch it. -- Sub 00:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Limiting GBs DOES make a difference, one Bottomless trap hole and there is no coming back.

Whats with all the Gladiator hate?

Why are you guys complaining; Gladiators will get hit, not only by the ban list, but by the new cards coming out in packs, like G.B. HUNTER, Core Chimair Ice, and not to metion Swallow Reversal and Prehistoric Biological Graveyard. The limitation of Gladiator Beast Bestiari was an insult to injury, but I believe Gladiators will remain supreme, and if you want to find out, PM me at '[email protected]'. BEWK 04:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Why do I bother...

Why are your concerned with Gladiator Beast Heraklinos? All decks have a win condition, Judgment Dragon can soar out of a good Lightsworn deck in a few turns, including first turns. If you dislike Gladiators, why don't you adapt to them instead of whining? Yes, I do agree with War Chariot being a little over-powered, but if you despise them so much, why don't you side a couple Royal Decrees or teck some Chain Detonations? And, contrary to your beliefs, Gladiators have plenty of weaknesses.

If they can't attack, they don't work. Threatening Roars, Level Limit - Area B, Guardian Sphinx, and Golem Sentry only begin to describe the amounts of counters for the deck. Try to adapt, like the rest of us, to the format. Don't annoy me with silly arguments about how horrible the archetype is. BEWK 04:41, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

  • Did I say that they didn't have weaknesses? No. All decks have weaknesses. Did I say that I wasn't adapting to the format? No. I tailor my side deck for various match-ups, including Gladiator Beasts (mainly Divine Wrath and Legendary Jujitsu Master). Did I say the archetype is horrible? No. It's a very powerful archetype with an incredible toolbox. Please stop putting words in my mouth. -- Sub 04:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Why do you complain if you have adapted? With all these cards Konami is releasing (or already has), why are you still asking them for more? Quote: "What do you all think about this, and how do you think Upper Deck/Konami will respond to the GB domination?" And I never said Gladiators were bad, you just misinterpreted my words. I don't put words in your mouth, I say my opinion on your words, and how I interpret them. Please correct me if am speaking for you. BEWK 05:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

PS: When have you seen a Gladiator deck top a Regional recently? I need my sleep. Goodnight... XD

  • You took a quote from August 2008...before The Duelist Genesis had a TCG release. That quote is way too outdated to have any bearing on this discussion (though at that time they were easily the #1 deck). I've seen Glads top regionals in my area, but it's not nearly as many times as Lightsworns and Tele-DAD/Oppression DAD. I'm complaining because Konami has failed to create an environment in which almost any other well built deck can win. Formats are usually driven by a single deck type...for a while it was Monarchs, then Dark Armed Returned, then Gladiator Beasts, then TeleDAD, now it'll most likely be Glads again. There are decks that have been made to counter every strategy that these meta decks have, yet I haven't seen any sort of counter-meta deck top at a recent regional or SJC. It's not just glads that bother me, it's that a format is always driven by one deck type, and it seems as if its Glads time to shine again. -- Sub 05:52, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Whoops, I didn't read the time stamp, I inferred that it was a relativly new forum. But I still don't think you see this: Konami is releasing dozens of anti-glad support cards. With that, their power will decrease. Konami has limited Bestiari. With that, their power will decrease. Konami is releasing new and powerful archetypes, and has freed many more with this new Ban List. Don't you believe other archetypes will overcome these weakened Glads? Glads will always be in, or near, Tier 1, but they wont always be at the top. BEWK 17:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Glads.

Well Actually with what they are releasing they are actually powering up glad beasts, I am referring to glad beast Samnite of course, a three star beast. His effect may not look impressive at first sight but when you use rescue cats in the deck he is really broken. Summon rescue cat, send to grave then special a samnite and another rescue cat, send rescue cat special test tiger and a rescue cat, send rescue cat special two samnites. This is technically a one turn both Herk and Gyzarus and if they saved cold wave till they had one rescue cat in hand and the rest of the things back in the deck (a two card combo) you shouldn't be able to respond. So really they did nerf them a little bit to the point a bottomless will get rid of bestiari. however I am afraid this type of comboing will bring them back to the top. Lightsworns being untouched is a bit troublesome but considering the cost of the deck I am fine with it. Glad beasts inner strength can help to return said samnites to deck if need be. though I am not sure how well that would work we will have to wait and see what a person who knows how to use glads very well will do with the rescue cat combo..(I think rescue cat is gonna be semi limited sometime soon.)

Oh yeah The new archetypes are ok but have less of a toolbox status as glads, glads have the best toolbox status in the game. surprisingly even better than warriors. Unfortunately.--Takuma. 07:30, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

  • Rescue Cat is already semi-limited, but it pretty much needs to be limited. Also one cat cannot bring out another cat because the cats are level 4 and its ability only allows it to grab level 3 or lower. You're right on the dot about the new anti GB support. GBs have too much of a toolbox to be beaten by those decks. G.B. Hunter has only 1200 attack, so it's not as if its impossibly to attack over it. Also with Book of Moon at 3, Glads will have an easy time taking care of it. -- Sub 15:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Ah that was my mistake I must have misread Rescue Cat's Level. Sorry about that, a friend told me about the combo so I just assumed but I guess I should have read it closer But rescue cat definitely needs to be limited or something because it can still bring out a test tiger and Samnite or two Samnites and everybody knows more glads on field to tag out = bad well if you are playing against them. But either way it is true that with Glad's toolbox things like G.B. Hunter wont do anything (Seriously if they wanted GB hunter to actually be an effective counter it needs quite a bit more attack since most GBs can overpower it first. Then Tag out like nothing happened.) Either way regardless of some slight mistakes I still think GB's have most of their power. Even with bestiari limited. Also 3 Book of moons is a bad idea. Sure it works as a giant counter to GB's and Synchros considering they have to be face up but the fact is is that...well 3 Book of moons is just too much, they might as well have unlimited enemy controller if they did that to books. But either way rather than complaining I will just use it in my decks lol. I <3 Book of moon but I realize it is crazy good. (Stuffs three in). What I am wondering is why wasn't imperial iron wall banned? it opens loops...And it totally kills one deck type (Macro/D.D.).--Takuma. 17:46, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Actually, GB Hunter has a nice 2000 DEF. None of the lower-LV GBs can trump her in Defense save a powered-up Laquari. That's devastating. --Gadjiltron 02:03, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

GLADIATOR BEAST BESTIARI

GLADIATOR BEAST BESTIARI has been hit! And with the limiting of rescue cat, summoner monk, and bestiari, the deck has considerably slowed down. It may not even be worth running GlADS anymore. The top tier decks are now BW Vayu and still of course your lightsworn. I think they should semi-limit Bestiari. Glads took a huge hit in September's ban list.. tsk tsk

Just because the Deck can't wrestle very well with the tournament-worthy Decks now doesn't mean that it's not good anymore. Improvise! You guys still have Gladiator Proving Ground, Elemental Hero Prisma, and other such things, don't you? --Gadjiltron 02:03, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Yep...no. Glads are still very well playable, and all hits to the deck were fair and called for. I can win very often at my locals (which is no easy task) with my well-constructed GB deck. They are not dead. -bewk
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