Forum:Future Fusion & effects when used as Fusion Material

Do cards that trigger when used as Fusion Material for a Fusion Summon (e.g. "Fluffal Rabbit", "Fluffal Cat", and "Fluffal Octopus") when they are sent to the GY with "Future Fusion", will they get their effects? They all say "If this card is sent to the Graveyard as a Fusion Material for a Fusion Summon...", and "Future Fusion" does say "...send the Fusion Materials listed on it...", and the Summoning Effect says "...Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster..."

• Originally I thought "No, as the Fusion Summon and the sending of materials are not happening simultaneously".
• But now I am not sure, since in a tradition fusion summon (like all tributes/materials for a summon), the materials are sent first, then the summon happens, and that's why "Peten the Dark Clown" will miss its timing for "Starving Venom Fusion Dragon".
• If these cards were whens it would be a no-brainer, but considering they are sent to the GY and are being treated as fusion materials and it does preform a fusion summon, and the timing of an if activation in PSCT refers to the first possible instance that the effect all the conditions are met, AND the game has just entered an open game state.

So, can anyone answer my question? Sorry if I'm being pedantic - but I like to think of myself as somewhat of an expert Fusion user. :P "Glory on the Academia!" Kind regards, GoldenDragonRider (talk • contribs) 10:41, January 20, 2018 (UTC)

I would say no, the effects will not trigger as sending Fusion materials from deck to grave is different from using them as Fusion materials. It is the issue about wording BlazeWu (talk • contribs) 11:04, January 20, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the answer. But your answer/logic does give me second thoughts towards "Worm Zero" and "Infernoid Tierra". If Summoned by "Future Fusion" and sending as Fusion Materials is not the same as using as Fusion Materials, does that mean there were 0 Fusion Materials with different names used for this card's Summon? Since unlike a traditional Fusion, you are Summoning a monster with the same name from the Extra Deck, rather than the monster that the materials were necessarily used for. Thanks for your time. Kind regards, GoldenDragonRider (talk • contribs) 12:04, January 20, 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't specifically address the situation, but I think this ruling of Future Fusion vs. Fusion Recycling Plant is relevant.

Q: During the End Phase of the turn after the first effect of Future Fusion sent a monster from my Deck to the Graveyard, can I activate the effect of Fusion Recycling Plant and return one of those monsters to my hand? Also, during the End Phase of the turn after the second effect of Future Fusion Special Summoned the Fusion Monster from my Extra Deck, can I activate the effect of Fusion Recycling Plant and return one of the monsters that was sent to the Graveyard to my hand?

A: Future Fusion sends monsters that are listed as Fusion Materials on a Fusion Monster to the Graveyard during the first Standby Phase after the card’s activation, but those monsters are not treated as Fusion Materials until the Fusion Monster is Special Summoned during the second Standby Phase after the card’s activation. The effect of Fusion Recycling Plant can only return monsters to your hand if they were sent to the Graveyard as materials for a Fusion Summon that turn. Therefore, you cannot add a monster to your hand that was sent to the Graveyard with the effect of Future Fusion.

So it sounds like the sent monsters are not treated as Fusion Materials until the Fusion Summon is performed. Since the effects of the cards you mentioned can only be activated when they are sent to the GY as Fusion Materials, but when they're used as Fusion Materials they are already in the GY, then it would not be possible to activate their effects. This also still means that "Worm Zero" and "Infernoid Tierra" correctly count their materials. --SnorlaxMonster 12:23, January 20, 2018 (UTC)

Ah-ha! Thanks for the answer! That makes sense then, so using 2 definitions of Fusion Material...

During 1st Standby Phase, the fusion materials (monsters listed on the fusion monster) are sent to the GY, but since they are not sent for a fusion summon, those monsters are NOT treated as Fusion materials (cards that was used as material for a few a fusion summon). Then during the 2nd Standby Phase, the Fusion monster is fusion summoned, and at that time all monsters sent last turn are now 'tagged' as fusion materials (cards used as material for a fusion summon).

So, in the case of a trigger effect, such as "Recycling Plant" or a "Fluffal", then they do not get a chance to activate. But the continuous/on summon effects of "Zero" and "Tierra" would function properly, because at the time of summon everything is 'tagged' as if it was fusion summoned normally. I suppose, by that logic, "Fusion Recovery" could collect the monster sent by future fusion, after the 2nd Standby phase’s effect resolves successfully. Thanks again, SnorlaxMonster for finding that. Yours truly, GoldenDragonRider (talk • contribs) 12:51, January 20, 2018 (UTC)