Forum:Greed + Barrel Behind the Door

I like running decks with uncommon means of dealing damage, and most recently that has been a Greed Burn deck. I run Appropriate as my draw engine and use Barrel Behind the Door to protect my own life points while dealing double or more damage to my opponent, but using Barrel in combination with Greed has been a problem for some. Let this be an example:

•Greed is face up.

•Appropriate is face up.

•Flip summon Morphing Jar.

•Use Barrel Behind the Door.

•Opponent takes 6000 damage to life points instead of 2500 for them, 3500 for me.

Using Barrel with Greed wasn't my idea, but some people have had a problem with it. So far this is all i can find to defend my argument:

"You can chain to the effect of Greed that inflicts damage."

And Barrel reads:

"Activate only when a card's effect that would inflict damage to you is activated."

So my logic is, if you can chain to the damage dealing effect, it is considered "activating".

Another question is when do I activate Barrel? Do I activated it when the effect making them draw activates, do I activate it when they draw, or do I activate it in the End Phase, when Greed deals its damage?

The effect of Greed is Trigger-like, meaning it "activates" during the End Phase of that turn. In that case, its effect activates as Chain Link 1 and then you can chain the Barrel Behind the Door to it as Chain Link 2.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 05:44, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

After that, I found this weird OCG ruling:

""Barrel Behind the Door", "Trap of Board Eraser", and similar cards cannot be activated in Chain to the effect of a Continuous Spell or Trap Card that activates and will inflict damage, such as when a "Wave-Motion Cannon" or "Ominous Fortunetelling" which is already face-up has its effect activated."

You cannot chain Barrel Behind the Door to the effect of Greed.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 19:15, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

It could be a BKSS ruling. I'll have to dig into this more.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 19:32, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

I believe that the problem is that the lore of "Barrel Behind the Door" says "Activate only when a card's effect that (...)" instead of "Activate only when a card that (...)" So, you cannot activate "BBtD" when a card that is already face-up inflicts damage, only when a new card (Normal/Quick-Play Spell or a Normal Trap) is activated. --Missign0 (talk • contribs) 17:19, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Nope, when the text states "Activate only when a card's effect that (...)", what it's looking for is an effect that starts a Chain Link. This is confirmed in the OCG. Th effect of an already face-up Greed is Trigger-like, which means it starts a Chain Link. This is also confirmed in the OCG.

There should be no reason for Barrel Behind the Door to not be able to chain to and negate the effect of an already face-up Greed.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 17:24, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

If you want proof, you can read this [1] and this [2].  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 17:29, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

OK, so that combo the User was talking about is possible? --Missign0 (talk • contribs) 17:40, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Morphing Jar is flipped face-up, its effect activates, both players draw 5 cards. Then the effect of the already face-up Appropriate activates and the opponent draws 2 more.

During the End Phase, the effect of Greed activates, you take 5 x 500 = 2500 damage and your opponent takes 7 x 500 = 3500 damage. You won't be able to chain Barrel Behind the Door to the activation of Greed's effect.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 17:45, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Alright. --Missign0 (talk • contribs) 18:25, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Barrel Behind the Door was mistranslated by UDE. It should say activation of the card, not the activation of an effect on the OCG card. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 23:22, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

It's not mistranslated. The OCG Japanese card text states:

"ダメージを与える効果が発動した時に発動する事ができる。"

This translates into:

"Activate when a damage inflicting card effect is activated'."

The OCG ruling is also BKSS.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 05:35, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

I guess that was the reasoning for another card. I also vaguely remember someone saying something about Counter Traps only being able to negate activation of Spell/Trap Cards, not the activation of Spell/Trap effects, because that's how Counter Traps work.

-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:06, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

I've briefly checked all of the Counter Trap Cards and none of them are able to negate Trigger-like and Ignition-like effects of already face-up Continuous Spell/Trap Cards.

• Solemn Warning vs Valhalla, Hall of the Fallen
• Barrel Behind the Door, Trap of Board Eraser, Fusion Guard & Damage Polarizer vs Wave-Motion Cannon & Ominous Fortunetelling

In this case, should we agree that the card texts for these cards are worded incorrectly in the OCG and TCG?  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 13:45, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

OCG get Warning raped on Valhalla, while TCG can't allow it to do it. Same thing for the second part. --iFredCat 13:54, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Correct, Counter Trap Cards cannot be chained to the activation of the effect of an already activated Spell/Trap Card (unless there is a wierd exception). The texts of Barrel Behind the Door, ect, need a PSCT reprint. Their OCG texts are also weird but it works like that in the OCG too. ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 19:27, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for clearing up the situation. I guess this was just a case of card text fail in the TCG and OCG.  HHT   - (Talk to the Turtle) 08:23, June 10, 2012 (UTC)