Forum:King dragun effect

if i negate the special summon monster that was special summon by king dragun effect wit solemn judgment, can he special summon again?

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When "King Dragun" Special Summons a monster, you cannot negate the summon with "Solemn Judgment" "Solemn Judgment" can only negate Special Summmons when a monster summons itself through its own inherent effect, like "Dark Necrofear" or "Cyber Dragon". If "King Dragun"'s effect is negated (such as by "Light and Darkness Dragon"), you cannot activate again that turn.--Deus Ex Machina 21:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

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so if my oponent special summon a monster with polymerization or with a ritual spell card. i can't negate the special summon?

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You can't negate the summon, since the monster is being summoned through a different card effect. But, you can negate the Spell card with "Solemn Judgment" (since "Solemn Judgment can negate Spell Cards). --Deus Ex Machina 22:40, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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I disagree, regardless of what card uses the special summon effect, solemn judgment can be used against it, since it negates special summon.

• There is no point in disagreeing. This is the rule: Solemn Judgment cannot negate SS that are the result of a card effect (i.e. that start a chain). You either stick to the rules or you don't. Rules are not opinions. And Deus Ex Machina has been giving correct rulings advice for as long as I can remember, so you'd better think again before doubting him. --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 14:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

You misunderstood me. I'm simply arguing with Deus Ex Machina, I'm not questioning his knowledge on rulings, this is a forum, so questioning is the best way of learning, I'm not against the rules, I'm just questioning it's implementations.

My point is that you can negate the effect of King Dragun by using Solemn Judgment "Pay half of your Life Points. Negate an activation of a Spell / Trap Card / Normal Summon / Flip Summon / Special Summon and destroy the Spell Card, Trap Card, or Summoned monster.

I'm confused about the claim of Deus about "Solemn Judgment can only counter the SS of a monster card if it is due to it's own effect", though it is stated in Solemn Judgment's effect that it can negate the activation of a special summon and destroy the Summoned monster.

Deus Ex Machina Please enlighten me.

• I don't think there's a better explanation from Deus Ex Machina's first post. Solemn Judgment cannot negate a special summon came by a card's effect. It can only negate inherent special summons that does not start a chain. ATEMVEGETA (Talk) 15:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I think Deus Ex Machina did explain it as best it could be explained, but I also think that this is one of the more difficult to understand concepts (I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it as well). So my advice to you is also my advice to myself: just try to puzzle it out awhile and see if you understand it. That's what I'm going to try xD I don't think it can be explained any better than it has been, so thanks to everyone.

~Specter (cow_pi) 18:47, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

"Solemn Judgment" cannot negate monster effects. Nowhere on the card does it say that you can negate an Effect Monster's effect.

When you activate the effect of "King Dragun", you must Chain "Solemn Judgment" directly to the activation of the effect. However, the effect of "King Dragun" is not a Spell/Trap Card/Normal Summon/Flip Summon/Special Summon (it is a monster's Ignition Effect), so "Solemn Judgment" cannot be Chained. Later, when the effect of "King Dragun" resolves, you are performing a Special Summon. You would need to activate "Solemn Judgment" at this time - however, you are in the middle of resolving a Chain, so you cannot activate cards or card effects.

--Deus Ex Machina (Talk) 19:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

That makes perfect sense to me now :D many thanks.

~Specter (cow_pi) 19:30, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Deus it's clear to me now.

All clear now ~~Butterflyelma