Forum:March 19th Ignition Effect Rule Change

As many of you know, KONAMI is making a rule change that will be taken into effect for OCG territories on March 19. There is a lot of confusion on what this rule changes. The rule change will no longer allow for Ignition Monster Effects to be activated when monsters are summoned. This does not take away player Priority. All players will still have Priority to respond their monster's summon first, but may only do so with appropriate Trigger Monster Effects and Spell Speed 2 or higher cards and/or effects. This rule change is only for OCG territories at this time. There has been no announcement of a TCG territory date to apply this rule change, so do not use this rule change if you are a part of a TCG territory. If and/or when a rule change for the TCG territories is made, it will be announced on the official website. I hope that this clears up most of the confusion. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 17:51, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Chaos

So if i special my Chaos Sorcerer I can no longer remove a monster with priority if he is Bottomless Trap Holed???? 75.57.221.9 (talk) 03:39, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, your opponent now has the opportunity to destroy Chaos Sorcerer with Bottomless Trap Hole before he can do anything. --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 03:45, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

so basically what your trying to say is we will have a chance to fight against field wipers like judgement dragon and or brionic who can both win the game themselves with their own effect?That doesnt sound too bad but does'nt that pretty much also make the monarch based decks less powerful?Raventheblack (talk • contribs) 10:50, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

No, Monarchs are trigger effects, not Ignition.-Resk (Talk) 10:55, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

hm,well then i see this new rule change to have a lot of potential then,i have to admit until resk said something i didnt know the difference between an ignition and trigger effect but yeah i'm all for this new ruling if it comes to pass it makes some sense and it evens things out.Raventheblack (talk • contribs) 11:05, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ignition is what you can activate almost instant as soon as you placed the card on the field. Trigger is what you can fulfill it requirement, like you should tribute a monster in order to summon it then activate it effect. All Monarchs have that, except for latters. --FredCat 11:59, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Will this change only cover ignition monster effects, or ignition like effects of other cards like spells and traps?--DoitForTheLulZ! (talk • contribs) 03:53, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Basicly all it means is that: "You cannot use your priority on the summon of a monster, to activate a spell speed 1 effect."-Resk (Talk) 22:16, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

• If it goes to TCG then does this mean i can't instantly use Exiled Force's effect to dispatch a monster?

• • That's rigth, you wouldn't. But the change doesn't apply to the TCG (at least not yet), so don't worry about it. The cat formerly known as a Deity (talk • contribs) 23:02, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

given that the new ruling hit the ocg with the release of the 2011 starter deck, I think it is safe to assume that the new ruling will hit the tcg when it gets the 2011 starter deck, which should be in about two months.

Macroman2011 (talk • contribs) 12:03, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

No, do not assume anything. Do not worry about when the rule change takes effect. KONAMI will tell us when the change is applied. Until then, play as you already do. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 18:40, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

I believe the rule is you can't use an Ignition Effect in response to a Monster's Summon. However, the turn player still has priority. He/She can activate Spell Speed 2 cards such as Deck Devastation Virus or Enemy Controller.Mark Mares (talk • contribs) 18:28, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

":Basicly all it means is that: "You cannot use your priority on the summon of a monster, to activate a spell speed 1 effect.""-Resk (Talk) 15:26, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

^^

The new rule means that you cannot immediately use(PRIORITY) the effect of an Ignition Effect monster when it is summoned, so the opponent has given a chance to get rid of the monster before it could possibly do something.Black`Rose (talk • contribs) 09:55, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

I've been told this has started applying to YCS matches. I was told this by a guy I was dueling on YVD. Is that correct? Designless Square (talk • contribs) 22:46, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

No, that is incorrect. DemonGodAsura (talk • contribs) 14:42, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Jinzo

Hey, what about Jinzo?

Can it be trap holed?

I guess not because it is not ignition, isn't it?—This unsigned comment was made by Coballes19 (talk • contribs) 05:43, 2011 June 14

Continuous Effect... Trap Hole still cannot be used on it... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:16, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

You can still negate his summon though. Solemn Judgement and such. If you play a card to negate his summon, it's before he hits the field in the first place, so his continuous effect is not yet functioning, correct? 68.202.245.160 (talk) 02:54, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Card Rulings:Jinzo. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:59, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Black Rose Dragon

And... What about the Black Rose Dragon?

After Bottomless Trap Hole his effect cannot be used?

BRD's effect is TRIGGER effect, not IGNITION's effect.--Lê (talk • contribs) 00:27, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Black Rose can still use effect. --Dark Ace SP™ (Talk) 19:04, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Did the rule change for ignition effect apply for tcg yet? I saw last weekend on a comercial on ytv that the new starter deck is available in stores.96.44.82.53 (talk) 11:46, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

That is not yet to be announce, so we still using Priority original way for now. That "Priority of Ignition Timing" is added only for OCG as far as we know. In long answer short; Not yet. --FredCat 11:50, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone know if we will actually get this ruling because I've been trying to find info on it cuz im getting really tired of chaos sorceres scrap dragon and lonefires getting their effects.Mss0290 (talk • contribs) 12:59, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

There are still no announcements on plans on changing it in the TCG. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:04, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

That's odd. Perhaps they'll wait until after they reprint Solemn Warning (afterward, Bottomless Trap Hole won't be much worse than it). BF2 Talk Deck Guides 17:47, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Someone told me at a tourney this weekend that when they went to nationals last time they announced that they were not ever going to change this ruling in TCG. Anyone hear know if that is true or not? I really have that spell speed 1 ignition effects have priority! 68.179.243.64 (talk) 03:00, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

No I have not heard that TCG was not gonna change in actuallity I heard the opposite, that TCG most likely will change in either March, April or September of 2012 Epyon333 (talk) 11:17, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone know for sure when the rules will change for tcg?96.44.92.186 (talk) 23:48, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Supposedly, Judges have been told that it takes effect on March 31st. But, I can't find anything on it besides a Youtube video. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 17:11, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Judge here, I frequent our discussiong group and can tell you that there has been no confirmation. Tewart said they were having a meeting this week, and we are going to probably get changed. But this has to do with R&D, so judges are not going to be informed, we only get told about judge related changes. we will learn on the official website

Guise...

http://forum.duelingnetwork.com/index.php?/topic/12447-whats-ignition-effect-priority/page__p__182381#entry182381 It is time...--> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 18:37, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

So no more ignition priority. But anything regarded a typical chain stays the same? I wanna make sure I have this right. Djjomon (talk • contribs) 19:06, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, everything besides Ignition Priority should remain the same. I'm starting a forum on it, all discussion shall resume there. --> Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 19:12, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

So what exactly does this new rule even do?

Dr Kain (talk • contribs) 23:54, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

I think we're making a new forum for this, but anyway, all it means is that now when your opponent summons Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning who has an Ignition Effect, they can't banish your monster first (They used to be able to do that), and then you had to respond with something like Bottomless Trap Hole. So, the end result of that play would have been, you lose your monster and they lose the Luster. Now, your opponent can't do that, so you are given the chance to activate a Spell Speed 2 or Spell Speed 3 card if they chose not to activate a card when they summon their monster. See Fast Effect Timing. ---Dark Ace SP (Talk) 00:56, April 27, 2012 (UTC)