Forum:March 2009 Ban List?

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I think they've pretty much got everything covered with this last ban list, but what do you think will hit the list this year?

Personally, I'd like to see Advanced Ritual Art come out of limited :( That'd make my decks run much smoother. It'd make for an interesting revival of Ritual cards as well. Though I think Synchros have pretty much killed them. Katsuma-San 17:47, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

this is a joke!

aw man! We want a new list in the next weeks. the new cards appeared in the last year are very powerful. i sugered a new list for april 2009:

  • Elemental Hero Absolute Zero - Is practically unstoppable.
  • Honest - it should be forbidden. you dont know when this powerfull card will gonna use its effect.
  • Burden of the Mighty - ¿why upperdeck dont touchs this card? is very angry!!!
  • All the Gladiator Beast Fusions - Are the mist destructive fusions for now. Gyzarus can be special summoned for the graveyard, and uses its effect when was special summoned. In general all gladiator beast are very easy to summon. I want restrictions for this deck.

Come on, put here the new card you wanr ro be forbidden or the card you wan to be unbanned how dark magician off chaos or chaos magician

I think that the six sams should be hit because i see loads and with how versatile they are it's hard to get round. I'd also like to see the return of some chaos and envoys along with cyber dragon, the tricky's easier to get out for synchros etc so why limit cyber?Nudman 22:02, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Six Samurai aren't abused enough to be limited in any way. Reasoning and Monster Gate already hit them pretty hard (though that was to control FTK decks). I think the one monster that needs to banned is Dark Dive Bomber. I don't play the OCG, but I've seen enough of this guy to know that he's ridiculously overpowered and fuels many FTKs and OTKs. He's more powerful than Stardust Dragon, he's a Dark monster, and he can use his effect more than once per turn. I'm kind of tired of this game turning into a FTK/OTK fest, and DDB only adds fuel to the fire. -- Sub 16:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean with Dark Dive Bomber but by all means its not the most powerful monster ever. But with the /Assault modes comming out a lot of this effects mean nothing. So I can see ones like Stardust dragon/Buster being limited and others like itNudman 23:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

What did you say?

Assault modes cannot be limited because their summons are not easy. The only Assault mode what can be posible limited is Stardust Dragon/Assault mode, because is a wicked monster what went from the insane mind of his creator. I want Dark magician of chaos and Chaos sorcerer return to the limited list and ban Honest (or limite it) and Burden of the mighty. ALSO Elemental hero Absolute Zero. A proposito quisiera que se abriera un foro como estos para personas hispano-parlante.

Dark Dive Bomber? Come on, on its own it isn't that great of a card, the problem is that is can be comboed. I believe Mezuki should get limited. And about Stardust dragon/Buster they'd better ban that instantly. It's the most broken card on the whole game, and its summoning requirement aren't too har to pull off. Limiting honest is also pretty neccesary. 85.48.234.109 19:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

My opinions again.

Imperial iron wall WILL get banned for one. It opens up several OTK's and completely kills any removal from play cards so it definitely will get banned. Hmms as for Zombie Synchro...I know Mezuki, Plague, and Goblin zombie are all extremely good for that deck and annoying since it extends their turn to like five minutes of combos and drawing...however I believe Plaguespreader is the only one that probably will get limited in some way. Maybe to Two..I do not understand why they make a Zombie tuner that can be used with zombie master, searchable by goblin zombie or sangan, or Pyramid turtle. The massive amount of revival zombie synchro decks have probably will make buster modes (Mainly stardust) broken for the most part. In fact the best way to run assault mode is probably zombie synchro because of the speed at which you can get out something like stardust and then use buster beast to search buster mode. However though the buster mode of stardust suffers from about half the weaknesses the normal one has it is very vunerable to horn of heaven, black horn of heaven, Solemn, DD Crow, Remove from play cards (Macro for instance). Divine wrath works...And several other cards that negate effects but yes at the speed it would come out it probably would be slightly broken. However you never run three buster stardust in a deck. The chance of drawing and not being able to use buster mode since it is in your hand blows so much ):. (Plaguespreader solves this problem slightly.) Oh and zombie synchro will die extremely fast if necrovalley is on the field. No book of life, no zombie master, no mezuki, you can use plaguespreader's effect but only once before he is removed again. no reborn but thats a small price to pay to prevent extreme amounts of draw, revive, and synchro.

In my opinion Gyzarus needs to be limited or banned. And other than Gyzarus, Plaguespreader, and Imperial iron I don't think anything else needs top priority for a ban or limit or semi limit...Well for now.--Takuma. 04:21, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Well..

Many of the Japanese cards that are coming to America are going to be balanced/translated better, I remember them doing that with the plants. Cloak007 07:03, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Cards I want to See Banned

Dark Armed Dragon Judgment Dragon Limited are Emergency Tel GB Gyzarus and others Semi Limited Malicious D Draw Allure Unlimited that is open to suggestion by u the fanboys

This is some guys ban list for March 1st 2009

I. Forbidden Cards You cannot use these cards in your Deck, Extra Deck or Side Deck.

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR CALL OF THE HAUNTED CHANGE OF HEART CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END CHAOS SORCERER CHIMERATECH OVERDRAGON CONFISCATION CYBER DRAGON CYBER JAR CYBER-STEIN DARK ARMED DRAGON DARK HOLE DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS DELINQUENT DUO DESTINY HERO - DISK COMMANDER DEMISE, KING OF ARMAGEDDON DIMENSION FUSION EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT FIBER JAR GLADIATOR BEAST GYZARUS GRACEFUL CHARITY HARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTER IMPERIAL ORDER JUDGEMENT DRAGON LAST TURN LAST WILL MAGICAL SCIENTIST MAGICIAN OF FAITH MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTOR METAMORPHOSIS MIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE NOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUT PAINFUL CHOICE POT OF GREED PREMATURE BURIAL RAIGEKI RING OF DESTRUCTION SINISTER SERPENT SNATCH STEAL SNIPE HUNTER THE FORCEFUL SENTRY THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT TIME SEAL TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS TSUKUYOMI VICTORY DRAGON WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST YATA-GARASU

NEW! - Breaker the Magical Warrior, Chimeratech Overdragon, Cyber Dragon, Dark Armed Dragon, Demise, King of Armageddon, Gladiator Beast Gyzarus, Judgement Dragon, Monster Reborn, Nobleman of Crossout, Snipe Hunter

II. Limited Cards You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck, Extra Deck & Side Deck combined.

CARD DESTRUCTION CARD TROOPER CEASEFIRE CRUSH CARD VIRUS D. D. WARRIOR LADY ELEMENTAL HERO STRATOS EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE GIANT TRUNADE GOLD SARCOPHAGUS GRAVITY BIND GREEN BABOON, DEFENDER OF THE FOREST HEAVY STORM LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B LIMITER REMOVAL MAGIC CYLINDER MARSHMALLON MEGAMORPH MIRROR FORCE MONSTER GATE MORPHING JAR MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON NEO-SPACIAN GRAND MOLE NIGHT ASSAILANT OJAMA TRIO RAIZA THE STORM MONARCH REASONING RETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSION RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE SANGAN SMASHING GROUND SPIRIT REAPER SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT THE TRANSMIGRATION PROPHECY TRAP DUSTSHOOT TREEBORN FROG TWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTH ULTIMATE OFFERING UNITED WE STAND WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT

NEW! -

III. Semi-Limited Cards You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck, Extra Deck & Side Deck combined.

CARD OF SAFE RETURN CHAIN STRIKE MANTICORE OF DARKNESS MASK OF DARKNESS NECROFACE


No Longer Limited: Magical Stone Excavation, Foolish Burial, Book of Moon, Scapegoat, Swords of Revealing Light, Magic Cylinder, Torrential Tribute, Mind Crush, Phantom of Chaos, Fissure, Future Fusion, Overload Fusion, Rescue Cat, Brain Control, Advanced Ritual Art so please rate and and tell me what u think

What?

  • I'm sorry, I thought you said "Magical Stone Excavation, Foolish Burial, Book of Moon, Scapegoat, Swords of Revealing Light, Magic Cylinder, Torrential Tribute, Mind Crush, Phantom of Chaos, Fissure, Future Fusion, Overload Fusion, Rescue Cat, Brain Control, Advanced Ritual Art" would no longer be limited. This will never happen. Realistically speaking, why would ANY of these cards be anything more than what they already are? I believe that Rescue Cat should also be limited (Gladiator Beast Samnite). What can happen is a Limiting of Magician of Faith and Chaos Sorcerer (the latter being somewhat unlikely). Plaguespreader, DAD and JD Limited too, Bestiari, Honest Semi-Limited. These are likely. But that's just me. --Darth Covah (Talk|Contribs) 12:10, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

WHAT? (again and more loudly)

The previous list is only a supposition (obviously). First things first. Breaker the Magical Warrior cannot be limited, no again. The spellcaster deck is very supported with Breaker and the most powerfull Field Spell Card ever: Magical city Endymion (well, maybe not "the most powerful ever" but one of the most powerful anyway). if breaker is forbidden I am going to cut heads n_n. Second point: All the semi-limited cards what are named previously are, obviously LIMITED (list error?). How people said before, this will never happen. My preocupation is Breaker (please dont touch it!) and Dark Magician of Chaos (it will be limited! I know!) and the Gladiator-Beasts, their fusions are very destructive (gyzarus) and Heraklinos says FORBIDDEN in its reverse. — This unsigned comment was made by Lord Dolor (talk • contribs) 18:01, 28 January 2009

  • Agreed. Hope that the people in charge of making the new banlist will realize that the game needs a renewal - get rid of older overpowered archetypes! Or at least nerf them a bit. That First Turn Stardust/DAD/JD/Gyzarus is starting to seriously annoy people. --Darth Covah (Talk | Contribs) 18:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

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Yes get rid of old archetypes....AND ADD A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW OVERPOWERED ONES!!! Core Chimairs, Black Feather (Blackwings) my bro runs a proxy deck for them...OP much...., Zombie synchro (How come nobody thought that Cards of safe would be limited to one? It clearly gives Zombie synchro a massive edge. Like draw six times in one turn or so.)

My ideas are New Banned Cards - Breaker, New spellcaster field and deck allows him to break so many cards in one turn. He is good yes. And I do use him in my deck. But I would hate to see rampant spellcaster decks that can wipe your spell and trap card zone for a good two to three turns just on the field and breaker. (However this is debatable, Breaker is in the new spellcaster structure so they might leave him as is) New limited cards - Cards of Safe Return Dark Armed Dragon (A friends idea, I personally think it will be left as is or go to limited) Gyzarus (I only hope lol though doubtfull they never touch glad beasts ever.) New Semi limited Cards - Plaguespreader Zombie (Obviously broken, Searchable by sangan, pyramid turtle, Searchable by goblin zombie, revivable by zombie master, revivable by book of life, revivable by its own effect, revivable by mezuki, Revivable by IL blud though ill blud isnt a great card in my opinion.)

No other opinions for now...I cant think of any ones at the moment that will be limited or semi limited.--Takuma. 06:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The forbidden magic

Elemental Hero Stratos]]ers always have their deck very limited. First was chaos sorcerer, in my opinion if it is going to be limited the spellcaster deck recovers their glory and will be one of the most powerful decks. Dark Magician of Chaos was the bad new in the current list, its true, he is a monster easy to summon, specially with magical dimension ( the most fuctional card for spellcasters before their field spell MagicaCity Endymionwish he backs. Because he was my most powerful monster in terms of attack in my previous spellcaster deck. And the "ugly duck" of the spellcasters, Breaker. He always be the apple of discordy and with the new spell field he is so mighty and destructive. Many people will decks based in spells or traps hates this card. But he is not the most destrucitve in this terms Elemental Hero Stratos Has two very functional effects and he can destroy more spell and trap cards what Breaker the Magical Warrior. By the way, Elemental Heroes can destroy more spells and traps what Breaker, for example: R-Righteous Justice and Elemental Hero Wild Wingman

From here, why are you forbidding us to use the card Elemental Hero Wild Wingman well it's effect is just to discard one card from hand and then you destroy one spell or trap card on the field, his effect is even very weak, and he is even a level 8 monster. I did not even include it at my Elemental Hero deck. Kirho

Do you see? Many cards are most effective destroying spells and traps than Breaker, so the Spellcasters should't payt the consecuences of other cards. Ban other cards! how Gladiator Beast Gyzarus or Gladiator Beast Heraklinos. (can breaker Negateactivation of spells or traps? NO!, but Heraklinos can and dont is limited, weird no?). Forbid Honest to!!

Imperial Iron Wall

I think Imperial Iron Wall will get hit in the next banlist. It creates too many OTK possibilities with Quillbolt Hedgehog and Plaguespreader Zombie and whatnot. On the other hand, it does screw up Meta-Deck strategies like DAD. I'm not so sure about this card. --EgyptianGods 03:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

now, if u think about it, i bet honest is really gonna be affected by the list in some way. prob semi limited, i hope, because it would hurt my lightsworn deck :( the reason i suspect its gonna be limited or what not is because it was mass released in the gold series. why else would they do that for? i mean, its a former holo rare (yes, i have its holo rare version too, XD, and its becoming a normal? i mean, most of the cards in the ocg gold series are limited, very few arent, so they prob know honest is gonna get affected, so it doesnt hurt to mass release it now. u guys with me? hahaJetronix 12:18, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Two Weeks Away

We're about two weeks away from having the list spoiled, so I think it's a pretty good time to get this discussion going again. Here's a list of what I think is reasonable:

I don't think all of that will happen, and I'm probably leaving something out (limit Test Tiger and Judgment Dragon?). Also, I'm not too keen on what's going on in the OCG. What do you all think? -- Sub 19:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

My thoughts...

alright, guys, honestly, do GB's really need to get hit? Did you guys forget that Glads stopped wreaking havoc when Tele-DAD got hit? & ROTA DOES NOT need to be hit by the ban-list. It's not as over-powering as Emergency Teleport and other stuff. I think Honest should be semi-limited, but not limited(but that would be nice...) b/c that would kill Lightsworn & Little City. Now, IMO, they NEED to & MUST limit Malicious! Death to Tele-DAD! LOL! Srry to all those who run Tele-DAD, but the Deck is way too broken. Also, leave Dark Magician of Chaos & Breaker alone. They are perfectly fine where they are... also, semi-limit Emergency Teleports cuz 3 is overpowering. & Imperial iron wall is not at the point where it needs to be hit by the next ban list & neither is Stardust Dragon or Stardust Dragon/Assault Mode. DAD & JD do, however, & maybe even Arcanite Magician & its Assault Mode form. Oh, & leave Monster Reborn alone! if they ban that, wat else is there to bring back monsters with? HUH?! leave it alone! They already banned Premature & Call of the Haunted! PLZ don't ban Monster Reborn again! besides, you gus=ys are puttin Reborn on the ban list & not Mirror Force? what's up w/ that?

E-Dizzle 06:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

what i think

forbidden - nothing new as no card is too broken at the moment to even be considered

limited- DAD and possibly jd, destiny draw and allure of darkness to slow down tele dad

semi limited- dhero malicious, emergency teleport, honest, plaguespreader zombie, the tricky and cyber dragon to keep synchros under control and revive cyber dragon decks

no longer limited- none as there ar no unfair restictions Chaos soldier 17:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Srsly

They CAN'T ban fusions or synchros (except Thousand-Eyes Restrict b/c he was h4x) so stop whining about GBs, Stardust, DDB, and Absolute Zero. They're not gonna ban assault modes because they're fairly hard to use. There's no way they're gonna ban Honest but maybe semi or limited. Malicious can't go below semi because his effect would become useless (they're not allowed to make a monster with an impossible effect) but he should go back to two. Breaker should be semied. He's not so bad that he should be banned/limited but he shan't be unlimited. Plaguespreader can go to two but mezuki down to one. They might even touch Gigaplant. If you saw how my deck runs, you would understand why. Same with Il Blud. Activate Zombie World and he can work better than gigaplant. DMoC isn't coming back. If he does, then Monster Reborn is going out. I don't even think it should've gotten unbanned in the first place. They also might touch E-Tele. Also, I've been hearing some crap about Dark Hole coming back because Stardust is so popular. I really don't think that's gonna happen, especially since I heard it from the guys that said Mirror Force and Grand Mole were gonna be banned

Dude, Really?

Grand Mole gettin banned? That's a load of crap obviously. & when i said limit Malicious, I said it b/c that would totally cripple Tele-DAD w/o bein unfair to other decks that run D-Heroes & Dark Monsters. What I mean is, hitting D-Draw & Allure would be unfair to anti-Meta Decks that run Dark Monsters & Destiny Heroes. But by hittin Malicious, the foundation of Tele-DAD, that only hurts one Deck, & not a whole range. Kill one, & maybe, save a thousand others. Yeah that's from Wanted, & it sounds so cliche, but it fits the situation.

E-Dizzle 19:28, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Seriously?

Seriously? Breaker Semi'ed? His effect is broken! can you imagine two breakers in one deck? even one is crazy to be in use. Gigaplant is ok but it does not nessisarily need a ban it is a gemini, or even a limit. Gemini's are tough to get two summons in. Plaguespreader might go to two but a simple solution to the whole plague spreader thing is limit to one Cards of safe return to restrict the draw power that deck gets from all the revival.

Monster reborn was unbanned because it is not spammable, premature burial was extremely spammable with G-Trunade, Broken yes, spamable No. E - Tele will not be touched because it is extremely hard to run three, you need to make a lot of space for 3 E teles, and at least 4 psychic tuners. (the most a good Synchro deck will use is usually 4-5 tuners, that and psychics need ET to run fairly well).

What will be touched is allures and D Hero Malicious, Malicious limited to two, same with allure. If people are complaining about GB's they might just limit Bestiari to 2 or 1 to balance out gyzarus a little more. (Though still broken. Also IL Blud isn't going to be limited, again its a gemini, not to mention one with a crap attack.) Assault modes probably will not be limited, however they are fairly easy to use. If built right an assault mode deck can get out stardust/assault on first or second turn. I know this from experience of making a proxy deck solely based off of stardust dragon assault mode.

Of course these are my opinions, feel free to disagree.--Takuma. 05:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Eh.

I see no problem in this and I am damn happy about Emergency Teleportgetting the limited list, maybe that will stop all of those copy-cat's from simply buying a deck and not wanting to make one themselves. And for the person who said Monster Reborn should be forbidden, I say nuts to you. I like having it back after all this time of it being on the banned list. I could see why some of these cards got to where they are and I again am glad to see the officials got wise to the whole tele-dad/dark decks.

I am glad to see Chaos Sorcerer back to the limited list, ah I might have to start running my Spellcaster's deck again so squee from me. Ohhh I cannot wait until March!

Sandy Sagebrush 07:26, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

My opinions and stuff...

Emergency Teleport at Limit to one was a bit harsh, Two would have worked fine not to mention limiting Dark Armed to one along with limiting allures and D draw and Malicious effectively crippled Tele Dad Anyway. The limits on zombies completely killed zombies however I still think this is an extremely bad list for the main reason that it favors lightsworns, It unlimited Manticore of Darkness, oh and they made it this way to increase sales. Gold pack is coming out with sarcophagus so they semi limited it so you buy more. Chaos is back for the spellcaster deck. ect.

E-Tele isn't always used by copiers for the record. I myself used one in a Warrior Synchro deck, And the guy who I got them from used them in many different types of decks though not always successful because it just does not run in every single deck. Its an overall useful card for Synchro monsters but just because you have them doesn't mean you use them in a deck.--Takuma. 03:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC) 


           Reply: I agree, they should've Semi'd E-Tele at most, especially because it is a huge card in pure Psychic decks for those that run them. LS didn't suffer any changes, but they are entirely beatable. They are nowhere near as fast as either TeleDAD or Zombie, and the only card that Konami MIGHT'VE touched in that deck is Honest, because it can be used pretty much anywhere that runs a lot of light monsters. JD is powerful, and possibly overbearingly so at that, but it IS a specific themed card, and it can be stopped with the likes of Divine Wrath, Gladiator Beast War Chariot, Light-Imprisoning Mirror, etc. (The ones I listed are the only ones I run, but I know there are plenty more ways to stop it). Manticore of Darkness won't be terribly bad at 3, seeing as how CoSR is going to be limited. --Phoenix25 03:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)Phoenix25

Maybe.

Maybe they weren't all used by the 'copiers' but then thing is, is that usually from what I both experienced and saw E-Teleport though a very nice cards for Psychic decks was already being abused in Tele-Whatever decks since they had to only really rely on those cards to get out their Krebons and then start synchro'ing left and right just as easy as pie...or cake I forget..ANYWAYS! I think from a personal standpoint that this will make them have to think of other ways of getting their stuff out and to re-think their strategies.

Though to be honest I kind of have to laugh.. just a lil when I hear about people who spend hundreds of bucks to build these decks because I love the game mind you.. but I would never spend more then maybe like.. 70 bucks all together on cards because I do not even know how in the world these people make money off of their dueling 'prowess' since I have only played local tournies and now with the regionals and stuff like that being canceled for a undetermined amount of time doesn't that also kind of 'kill' the 'cash flow'? The last thing I saw being offered at a regionals was a laptob and this millenium puzzle trophy, which I guess was cool but I have yet to hear of anything other then say the nationals which I am not sure if they pay for your travel or you have to pay to travel to their locale to duel as to perhaps having a shot at some amount of money and your name in a few magazines and the like. But that is all I am saying so :P.

Sandy Sagebrush 06:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

However.

E Tele is a good card and again NOT runnable in many decks. I have seen many failure ideas such as Tele-Samurai decks. That DO NOT work at all. Semi limiting allows teledad to be nerfed (Though DaD limited to one was already a big hit) along with balancing out the card for psychics and those who do use them. The Psychic tuners themselves are ok but three teles is just really hard to run anyway. First you need about 5 max tuners in a deck otherwise you run too much if there is more. and then you need at least 4 psychics to run teleports. soo there goes all your tuners. Oh and people can still make money off the game, buy low sell high. Make bits here and there and trade and such. Crush card is still worth a lot, so is Gold Sarcophagus. The Tournament winning gold sarcophagus is 5k$ about. The Crush card in gold pack is like 200-300$. Soo there is still money flow, though usually people can barely afford crush, and sarcophagus would be too tough to get anyway even in the gold pack. (And expensive, Sarcophagus is rigged as hell! Even more so than E Tele. If you read it you would know lol so crazy. But so hard to get.)

Whats nice about this game is you can spend a lot. Then when you are finished either give the cards to a relative that plays or resell the cards for some of your money back.

Oh Also didn't anybody think that Rescue Cat should be limited to two? I mean Glad beasts will gain their power back once samnite comes out. Read Rescue Cat, Glad Beast Samnite, and Test tiger and I am sure you can figure out WHY Rescue cat is so rigged. --Takuma. 06:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

  • It already is. --bewk 17:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
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