Forum:March 2010 Advanced Format

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In this coming new format what cards you have expected to be place on the ban list or limiting the number?

Kaiser-kun 12:02, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Justice for Judgment Dragon!

Pretty much, this "nuker" dragon would be a nomination for limited list. Lightsworns are really overrated because of this overrated dragon. How many times I was nuked by TWO JD even though I'd tried my best to counter it. Peace to those Lightsworn users! ^^ --SilentHero26 12:38, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

haha true for Judgment Dragon, he'll be limited this March i guess. June23ly 13:27, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Dear God I hope JD gets hit. --DeaththeKid

Well, JD didn't get hit but Lumina, Charge, Honest, Foolish, and Necro gardna did. This is awesome, thats even better than JD getting hit. --DeaththeKid

Stardust Dragon

Stardust should be limited if not banned all together it's like a slightly toned down Solemn Judgment that just keeps coming back over and over again DaywalkerAA 15:57, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Stardust Dragon deserves no place on the Limited or Forbidden list whatsoever. First of all, it has an extremely low ATK score for a Level 8 monster. Secondly, its effect can be easily countered.

To name a few. Most of these are splashable, as well.

Oh, and for my own suggestion. Ojama Trio needs to come back. At least back up to two, maybe even three. The reason? Nearly all opponents can easily use these little Tokens for Synchro Material, avoiding the damaging effect as well. It would help Burn decks come back a bit, slowing down the current Meta, even just a little bit.--Akiza Izayoi 20:05, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Stardust isn't broken by itself, but Starlight Road being released puts us in a sticky situation. Summoner Monk with a Level 4 Tuner is bad enough, but a trap card Synchro Summon is just ridiculous.

Remember that if you use Starlight Road, and Tribute the Dragon for its effect, it won't come back during the End Phase.--Akiza Izayoi 21:39, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Why wouldn't it come back? Starlight Road says it negates the effect of the destruction card and destroys it, nothing about negating the effect of Stardust Dragon.
Starlight Road doesn't Synchro Summon Stardust Dragon. Synchro Monsters need to be Synchro Summoned properly in order to be Special Summoned from the graveyard. --Blue (Talk) 21:55, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
Synchro Summons are Special Summons, though, also the anime card text reads in more detail:
"Activate only when an effect was activated that destroys 2 or more cards you control. Negate that effect and destroy that card, and then Special Summon 1 "Stardust Dragon" from your Extra Deck, ignoring the summoning conditions. (This Special Summon is treated as a Synchro Summon.)"
And since when do we use the anime effects over the effects they've been given for their official release? --Blue (Talk) 22:18, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
Because it's not stated on the card (the text in parens) doesn't make it any less true. Of course we don't have any official rulings on the card yet, but I don't see anything to convince me right now that Stardust wouldn't be able to use his effect. I accept the anime ruling in this case because other than the parens the card text is essentially the same. It's not like Copycat or Catapult Turtle or something crazy like that in the anime.
In the anime, the Special Summon was treated as a Synchro Summon. The OCG card only says Special Summon. There is no reason to assume that it somehow counts as Synchro Summoning. --Blue (Talk) 22:35, January 22, 2010 (UTC)


When Stardust Dragon uses its negating effect, it will not revive itself if Special Summoned by Starlight Road. Why? Synchro Summoning counts as Special summoning, HOWEVER Special summoning does NOT count as Synchro Summoning. A Synchro monster must properly be Synchro Summoned to be "revived" from the grave/RFP zone. Starlight Road SPECIAL SUMMONS Stardust Dragon, which is NOT Synchro Summoning, meaning Stardust CANNOT be revived, even with its own effect. Hope this cleared things up. ElectroBlade 23:04, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

I never thought that Stardust Dragon would be limited because in can be countered easily nowadays and has a pathetic low attack for a level 8 monster. Now, about Starlight Road ur talking about,

"Stardust Dragon" won't revive itself when you use its effect if SS'd by starlight road because, a ruling state that it must be properly synchro summoned first to special summon it from the Grave/RFG zone. It's like a semi-nomi rulings. Because it was not synchro summoned properly but was SS'd by a card effect, it can't revive itself. --SilentHero26 10:58, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Your logic doesn't make any sense. It is being brought back from the grave by its own effect. If its effect works at all then it should come back. If I'm not mistaken stardust dragon does not say it can't be special summoned, nor does it say it only gets its effect if it's properly syncro summoned. So by using its effect it will come back from the grave at the end phase. As for weather it should be limited? it only deals with destruction, what i usually do with my crystal beasts is just activate crystal abundance. abundance is negated, then i activate a second one. not the most effect method at all, but it works for me.

He's right, because Synchro Monsters are treated as Semi-Nomi. Since Stardust was not Synchro Summoned, he cannot be revived by anything, including it's own effect. Falzar FZ 00:51, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
If you're going by that logic then Starlight Road wouldn't work in the first place. I think the card text will have to say "ignoring its summoning conditions" for it to be playable at all, and if thats the case wont its ability still work then. since in a sense it was in fact special summoned.
The Extra Deck is one of the exceptions to that rule. Look at Vayu for Example. You can SS the monster from the Extra Deck but when that monster is destroyed, it cannot be Summoned from the Graveyard:
There are many rulings that back that up, for example a few are:
Card Rulings:Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor
"The Special Summoned of a Synchro Monster by "Blackwing - Vayu the Emblem of Honor" is not treated as a Synchro Summon. The Synchro Monster is not considered to be properly Special Summoned, so it cannot be Special Summoned from the Graveyard by an effect like "Monster Reborn"."
Card Rulings:Starlight Road
"The Special Summon by the effect of "Starlight Road" is not treated as a Synchro Summon. Thus, if the Special Summoned "Stardust Dragon" activates its effect and Tributes itself, then during the End Phase it cannot Special Summon itself. Likewise, the Special Summoned "Stardust Dragon" cannot be Special Summoned from the Graveyard by effects like "Call of the Haunted"."
Card Rulings:Gale Dogra
"You cannot Special Summon a monster sent from the Extra Deck to your Graveyard with cards like "Monster Reborn", "The Shallow Grave", or "Call of the Haunted"."
Falzar FZ 02:00, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Goyo I'd like to ban

I would really like to ban "Goyo Guardian"! The hell with that guy who steals my monsters. It's not very logical to be a lvl 6 monster who has a ridiculous 2800 atk, have an irritating effect and can be summoned that easily?! Even though its limited now but its still pack a punch. --SilentHero26 10:58, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

My Comments

1. Goyo can't be banned. He is just a counter for too much stalling like for instance the morphtronics. its just a single Battle Mania and Goyo and say bye bye to morphtronic stallers Also, he is just a beatstick with no powers that activate in any phases except when he destroys monsters in battle. i know 2800 atk is too much for a lvl 6 monster, please just deal with it.

2. Stardust is just good for negating card destroyers, but he got crap stats for a lvl 8 monster.

3. JD needs to be limited. PERIOD.( if you wont limit him just semi limit any limited cards that can do otks, except DAD^_^)

4.ban the very low level/stat old school vanillas. so they can be in the hall of fame ^_^

June23ly 14:03, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

How about Honest?

Say, will they place him to semi-limited or actually in the Limited list? It will definitely cripple LIGHT deck out there if he was semi-limited, or limited rather. I don't see why other people want to limit "Honest". There are many DARK support cards than LIGHT do so I think they might leave "Honest" alone. What's your thoughts about this??? --SilentHero26 05:04, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, DARK is about to get a huge nerf with Holy Light. Maybe they'll limit Honest to compensate. Runer5h 17:13, January 24, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

Mezuki DX

I love Mezuki so much, but it is sooooo broken. But I sadly think it will be limited, and when they do, I will be very disappointed in konami. Goblinpunch787

There should only one Sun and Moon

I bet Sun Dragon Inti and Moonlight Dragon Quilla will be limited. Much like Stardust they keep coming back over and over and over, however they have average stats for their levels and summon the other reguardless if it's an effect or battle. Also let's not forget one thing Inti will destroy the monster that fights him and inflict half the destroyed monster's ATK. The only thing that can beat them is a deck with removal cards, like D.D. Crow, and even then if the user has one or two more it's practicly unfair. --Azure Knight-Zeo 23:11, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Eh. Try a deck with monster effect negation. The combo is inconsistent and difficult to maintain - not at all broken. Runer5h 23:24, January 26, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
Do you mind elaborating on how it's hard to maintain? True an "anti-meta" deck like the Koa'ki Meirus and Gravekeeper's. --Azure Knight-Zeo 00:04, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
Brionac, RFG cards, etc. --Blue (Talk) 00:05, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
RFG? --Azure Knight-Zeo 00:43, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
RFG = Remove From Game
When Rex Godwin was using those cards, I was thinking that Jaden can easily beat him just by using Mole. Falzar FZ 00:16, January 27, 2010 (UTC)
  • Limiting these cards will not make a difference, you only need one copy of each. The Horror'Speak if you dare 15:06, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

You know what?

I miss Card of Safe Return. My psychic deck raged with that card. But as long as Plaguespreader Zombie + Imperial Iron Wall + Card of Safe Return = Ridiculous, I don't think it will come back..*hinthint* *winkwink* *coughBANPLAGUESPREADERcough*.--Helix-king 08:28, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

  • Say no more, say no more. --Gadjiltron 11:36, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Gateway of the Six

What are the chances they will semi-limit or even limit this card? Everyone I duel when I use my Six Sam deck says it should be, but is it that broken?

208.35.40.67 15:24, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

Nah. Six Samurai don't win tournaments anymore, so Konami won't limit it. Runer5h 20:22, January 27, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h
No chances at all. Samurais aren't even that good. ~InfinitySlayer 23:17, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Here is what konami should do:

BAN THE FOLLOWING:

BRIONAC, DRAGON OF THE ICE BOUNDARY

DARK ARMED DRAGON

JUDGMENT DRAGON

GOBLIN ZOMBIE

MEZUKI

MIST WURM

SOLEMN JUDGMENT

LIMIT THE FOLLOWING:

BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING

CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END

CYBER JAR

CYBER-STEIN

DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS

MAGICIAN OF FAITH

SINISTER SERPENT

CONFISCATION

DARK HOLE

MONSTER REBORN

PREMATURE BURIAL

THE FORCEFUL SENTRY

CRUSH CARD VIRUS

RING OF DESTRUCTION

SEMI-LIMIT THE FOLLOWING:

RED-EYES WYVERN

CHARGE OF THE LIGHT BRIGADE

HONEST


UNLIMIT THE FOLLOWING:

DESTINY HERO - MALICIOUS

CHAOS SORCERER

MASK OF DARKNESS

FOOLISH BURIAL

GOLD SARCOPHAGUS

ULTIMATE OFFERING


Personally I think that if every single card was made unlimited for a year and then figure out what people use and then ban and limit accordingly so that the list is made more up to date...Cards like Black Luster Solider - Envoy Of The Beginning are so out of date that in the current meta they wouldnt even make a bit of difference. I'm more afraid of 2 JDs that are easy as hell to get out on the field in one turn. And what threat does Sinister Serpent make for anyone...i'm sure a zombie swarm strategy would win over a sinister serpent recycle strategy...any comments...So i say BAN JD and DAD and settle a lot of frikin arguments...if you take out both power plays and then you limit the crap out of zombies to kill all 3 main formats...then see where the game goes... (Also, I am not biased here...I own a DAD deck and a JD Twilight deck...and i win WAAAAY too much...so seriously they all need to get banned.)

I see Judgment Dragon and DaD get hacked by you, despite being weaker than the Envoys in every aspect. So that's impossible. Now then what are your thoughts on Twilight getting the Envoys if you're so adamant about getting them back? "Here, I'm gonna drop a Judgment Dragon, nuke, drop another, remove for Emperor Dragon, summon Dark Armed Dragon, and remove for Luster Solder - Envoy. Stop me now." Are you kidding? The Envoys would propel Twilight into the first ever Tier 0 deck. Get real. Your banlist is outrageous. Cards that aren't very powerful (Mist Wurm, Brionac) getting Forbidden? Letting Reborn and Premature off? Wow. God save us all from Twilight. DemonGodAsura 22:00, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
Your list is pretty flawed. There is absolutely no way BLS, CED, Cyber Jar, DMoC, Sentry, Reborn, Premature, and Sinister Serpent will ever be unbanned. Do you even know how overpowered these cards are? Also, LOL @ unlimiting Malicious. ~InfinitySlayer 23:23, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
Yes right, we should unban two of the most broken cards ever, one of the most powerful destruction methods, among other broken cards and ban two cards that make a good but balanced deck meta, a universal negation card any deck can use, and a situational card that isn't easily summoned and is a 2500 ATK vanilla once summoned? I only have one thing to say: "Learn to play" --Reimu-H 23:28, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
I don't agree to your list of banned cards. Cards usually placed in the banned list was old cards not really thought out by KONAMI when it was created (they're not futuristic when they created it). By now, it would totally ruin the game so they decided to amend to their mistakes and just banned it.
Why ban JD? Lightsworns will entirely ceased to exist if that card was banned. I just want to limit it, not to remove it all together.
Limit the 2 Envoys? They'll rule the meta deck out there even though they're outdated. I recall that when this card was limited someone won a championship with just 1 "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning", and after that KONAMI banned it. Envoys are too darned strong.
"Solemn Judgment" is usually a double edged sword so it doesn't need to be banned. That's not broken.
Cards that "nuke" the field with no cost whatsoever will be BANNED otherwise be limited. "Dark Hole" is pretty mean, so does "Cyber Jar".

--SilentHero26 06:06, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

I personally believe that the Envoys were banned for a REALLY good reason, and DAD and JD compare nowhere close to them, so....basically, this guy must not have played against these things when they were meta. Banning Mezuki and Goblin Zombie? I think you sir, have been seriously butt hurt by a couple certain archetypes in the past...so much that it clouds your judgment. Zombie=really freakin' fun deck. Goblinpunch787

I don know who make the list above, but luckily he's not the judges... Not enough experience i think? NoobYugiohPlayerLanspearsaber 16:27, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

The only way I would be "cool" with this "amateur" format list is if they Limit Dark Strike Fighter to 2 AND Gale to 2 and I PROMISE YOU THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN LOL! --TheDivineDuelist 04:20, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

New Ban Card, plz.

I'd like to see them unban something new... I don't know what wouldn't be broken, but still useful, but it'd be cool to throw something that hasn't been seen in a while into the mix. I liked what they did with Chaos Sorcerer, but I'm sick of the constant cycling through Monster Reborn, Premature Burial and Call of the Haunted. That so doesn't count. Well, we know Premature is gone forever, anyway...--YamiWheeler 23:57, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

I want Dimension Fusion unbanned. Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to why it is banned. I can't figure out why they banned it at all. Was there some super combo involved with this that I am unaware of or what? Land of dogs 07:34, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

There was. It was called Diamond Dude Turbo. You would remove big monsters, then use something to place "Dimension Fusion" on top of the deck, then hit it with Diamond Dude. You'd skip the cost and summon a field full of monsters to OTK your opponent. DemonGodAsura 07:40, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

|Newly Unlimited = Chaos Sorcerer |Newly Semi-Limited = Solemn Judgment Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind Black Whirlwind Infernity Necromancer |Newly Limited = Charge of the Light Brigade Stardust Dragon/Starlight Road Judgment Dragon Infernity Gun Infernity Mirage Tempest Magician }}

Limit

I think certain Lightsworn cards should be limited in order to make the deck on equal power to the other top tier decks.

Obviously, the main cards which should be considered for limitation are: Judgement Dragon and Charge of the Light Brigade Hebi No David 03:52, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


I'd love to see Pot of Greed go to 1. I think 2 or 3 would be OTT but it would be cool for it to be a staple again. Monster Reborn should go to 1 and Call of the Haunted should be banned just cos Reborn is more fun and flexible. ChaosSorcerer 17:19, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

  • I love Pot of Greed, so that'd be cool, except then already powerful top-tier decks will gain even more speed. Blackwings now have Blackwing Treasure along with Allure of Darkness, and Pot of Greed in there too with no cost would be ott. I think that's why they come out with all of these Pot-of-Greed-esque-but-just-for-1-archetype/attribute/insertlimitationhere cards. I don't see Pot going up to 1. And I personally hate Monster Reborn. It's cheap, it's boring and it's old. I hope they leave it banned.--YamiWheeler 17:25, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
Well, Konami was upset that "Pot of Greed" was banned so quickly, and it would most likely replace "Charge of the Light Brigade" should it get Limited in any way, which is likely. I can assure you that Blackwing decks will not use "Black Feather Treasure". It prevents them from SSing that turn, and only one can be activated per turn. The first reason alone is enough for Blackwing users to throw it away. Overall, Limiting or Semi-Limiting "Charge of the Light Brigade" and Limiting "Pot of Greed" would be good. Every deck would get some more speed, while at the same time slowing LS due to not having "Charge" at their beck and call. With Blackwings, Limiting or Semi-Limiting "Black Whirlwind" would do the same as "Charge". It's a win for everyone, but a slight loss for BW and LS users. DemonGodAsura 17:39, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think everyone is forgetting that Burn decks need to come back, a little. Everyone is annoyed at how much speed Lightsworns, Zombies, and Blackwings have, so why not let the Lock decks out of the cage a little? I really wouldn't mind Ojama Trio at 2, or maybe even 3. Since the opponent can use the Tokens for free Synchro Summon Material, and even avoid the minor damage. Also, I think Gravity Bind could go to 2. Level Limit - Area B will stay Limited, since it is a Spell and changes Battle Position, but Gravity Bind has been at 1 for far too long.--Akiza Izayoi 23:22, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not forgetting, I think it's dumb that Ojama Trio is restricted to 1 even though it basically gives free synchro opportunities to the opponent. I do think burn/stall cards should be taken off the limited lists, but I doubt it would make a dramatic difference anyway.

Fairy Wind/Trap Eater destroys stall/burn decks (mostly Fairy Wind lol). A lot of people side-deck that, like myself. Plus, burn/stall decks are so boring to play and to fight against, they should never be top tier. ElectroBlade 00:12, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

  • Even putting aside the general Side Deck cards used, if Burn were ever to return to top tier, people could use so many cards to stop it. Prime Material Dragon, the new Black Feather Dragon, hell, even Des Wombat. So, I agree, I doubt Burn will ever make a big splash in the meta again unless they create a form of very speedy (by nature) burn. I actually made a few fan cards that burn quickly, but most people would probably consider them overpowered, I guess.--YamiWheeler 01:14, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

I realize that Burn will never be top tier... that was not what I meant. I'm saying that there is no point in limiting/banning Burn cards, because there are so many ways to get rid of them! It should be easy enough to destroy 2 Gravity Bind in one duel, so why not let it come back?--Akiza Izayoi 01:52, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think that Ojama Trio was limited partially because with more than one, you can potentially completely lock your opponent's monster zones (as long as you kill off the extra token first) with untributable tokens. Also, they are weak, easily summonable, non-tributable, burn when destroyed tokens that you don't really see anywhere else; ex: Wall of Ivy tokens can be tributed and Seed of Flame tokens don't do burn damage, neither summon more than 1 token, etc. However, I think semi-limiting these will be relatively fair.--SantaOrc26 02:53, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that KONAMI should somehow unbanning any card related to Burn/Stall Deck. Maybe some ppl complaining this deck so bored to play or against with as it's killing lot of our precious time. But think again, is it fun to end the duel in just 2 or 3 turn play? Or with so many OTK deck? Someone should stop that metagame from doing anything they please! With this, there'll be lot of option deck to play compare to our previous tournament where we can only see DAD, Lightsworn, GB or BF...
Thus, limited any main card or beatstick from metagame deck ( JD, Gyzarus, Heraklinos, Black Whirlwind etc ) might turn the table. This is only the opinion though... NoobYugiohPlayerLanspearsaber 07:21, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Healthy Format changes...

  • Black Whirlwind This card makes BF/BW decks worse than when all we had was 3 Gales. I know a lot of you dont think so and will have plenty of angry things to say about this. I run BF is I know how broken they are, this card needs to be at 1. From what I understand this card is great because it causes your opponent to chose between to evils. They can waste backfield destruction cards or watch you get ass-kicking cards straight to the hand. From experience even the TF4 AI cant decided what to do.
  • Judgment Dragon Broken at two! I dont understand how Sworn user can even defend this card being at 2. The only thing that stop JD is Solemn and thats at 1! Oh, and Saber Hole (As if duelist are going to run Sabers just to stop JD). This card is fine at one. We put Gale at one and BF's still work just fine. Yes there are other things you can use but I mean really? Should all duelist be made to run Divine Wrath and My Body as a Shield just for one card?

After ABPF cards are around for a bit maybe I will add to this...

but...

JD is lightsworn's ace card, imagine if JD is at one, hits the field and the opponent activates Bottomless Trap Hole, Divine Wrath, Karma Cut, R. Break, and a whole lot of other cards, that would make LS totally useless. you said BW are still doing fine with gale at one, but gale isnt their ace card.218.186.9.245 07:08, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

MOst LS side Royal Decree, rendering Traps useless and they dun have much traps themselves either. And there's something called priority my boy. --07:37, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

But if you have DAD at 1, why not have JD at 1 as well? why does he get to be so damn special? User:Goblinpunch787

Blackwhirlwind

Isn't that broke for instance say I summon shura and whirlwind is the field you can chain BTH or traphole or anything that removes shura from the field and oh I can't search for a card due to shura not being on the field when whirlwind resolves not that hard to stop Solastramage666 10:59, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

But...when you go first and throw 2 Black Whirlwind and summon shura first turn (and this is quite common for my blackwing deck) then your opponent could very well be at a severe disadvantage and with very few ways to turn it around so quickly...User:Goblinpunch787

I'm sure 2 Black Whirlwind will never come together in time. Its much more common than 3 which I'll definitely agree. However, it dosen't work well on BFs with low attack as you will never have enough attack to cover all of them. It is another point to be discussed. There are not much BFs with attack 1.5k and above where you can normal summon without conditions. 2, to be exact. Shura and Bora. Its easy for a BF to kill another BF, and I'm pretty sure mine will do that to yours. XD --Flushy 11:13, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

THE LIST

Limited:

Foolish Burial

Mind Crush

Charge Of The Light Brigade

Lumina Lightsworn Summoner

Chaos Sorcerer

Necroface

Mezuki

Burial From The Different Dimension

Destiny Draw

Allure Of Darkness

Necro Gardna

Tragoedia

Magical Explosion


Semi Limited


Honest

Cyber Dragon

Demise King Of Armageddon

Dandylion

Treeborn Frog

Black Whirlwind

Royal Oppression

Royal Decree

Skill Drain

United We Stand

Unlimited

Mask Of Darkness

Smashing Ground


Enjoy. Source: http://koideai.com/up/src/up37567.jpg

http://koideai.com/up/src/up37568.jpg ElectroBlade 03:14, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

  • And sure as shit, they don't hit JD, and crack down on Zombies, I've officially lost all faith in konami now.

Zombies only hit top 4 and they hit them harder than the single handedly most broken archetype(besides Chaos and Tele-DAD) in this damn game, LIGHTSWORN.User:Goblinpunch787

Don't worry, Judgement Dragon won't be a problem with how hard LS got hit. 1 Charge, 1 Necro gardna, and 1 Lumina should take care of them. Plus, limiting Mezuki and BftDD takes care of zombies pretty well (makes them a lot less broken at least). ElectroBlade 05:51, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

OMG!

Cyber at 2? BWind at 2? I frekin love this game right now! Hell yes! Finally! --TheDivineDuelist 06:01, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

I'm liking Dandylion at 2.--Akiza Izayoi 07:31, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Skill Drain at 2. damn.--Helix-king 07:54, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Some people think Blackwings didn't take much of a hit, when in fact, they did. They lost one Allure, and one Whirlwind. And we all know that Black Feathered Treasure will only be used in emergency, if at all, because it forfeits all SSing, and removes a Blackwing from play, while Burial is also Limited. Their kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place, though not done for. I also figured that CyDra would drop a bit, and I'm happy it did. Cyber Dragon decks will see a slight rise in play now. DemonGodAsura 08:05, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

LMFAO

I have to laugh. So many people tell me I need to run three BWind in my BF Deck. Now what! I gotta laugh because my BF deck is not at all phased by this list! Lol! Sucks for everyone else. We are really gonna see a few decks rise up now. No more Vayu turbo! Lumina at one means no more Lightswarm in a turn so much. Allure hurts a little but big whoop! Dandy at 2 is kinds broken a little. I can see a lot of evil plants running around now. I dont think zombies should have gotten hit so bad but they just abuse the hell out of PSZ and Mauz. Looks like its finally gonna be a format that not everyone has to worry about Cookie-cutter decks. It will be cool to see all the new decks that might pop up. --TheDivineDuelist 08:43, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Requesting a more reliable source for the list. The above links just bring me to stuff that isn't what I'm looking for. --Gadjiltron 10:37, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Link doesn't work for me either. Try this, it's basically the same pic. [1] Falzar FZ 10:55, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Reviewing the List

...Okay, nevermind. Looks like shriek.twoday.net has it (16 Feb 2010). Now, to review the list...

Limited

Semi-Limited

  • Cyber Dragon: Cyber Decks, rejoice! Cyber Twin is now easier to play, especially since Cyber Zwei has come around.
  • Honest: Honest was seriously a crazy card, but since it also boosted lesser Light Decks (Gradius, for example) I guess it's understandable why it got Semi'd rather than Limited.
  • Dandylion, Treeborn Frog: Two things that I didn't really get. Maybe they're trying to bring back regular Monarchs and also support Plants with it?
  • Demise, King of Armageddon: I thought Konami didn't take kindly to field nukes. Maybe they're trying to let the Demise OTK have a bit of breathing space, particularly since the Ritual support showing up lately.
  • Black Whirlwind: Blackwing - Breeze the Gentle Wind is coming to town! What to do? Prepare for its arrival, of course!
  • Royal Decree, Royal Oppression, Skill Drain: Well, we've been seeing these in meta/antimeta Decks lately. Perhaps it's a move to get people to vary their decks a little more.
  • United We Stand: ...And Black Feathers get a little bit of compensation with power to complement their swarming.

Unlimited

  • Mask of Darkness: Well, since the big Continuous Traps are getting Semi'd, it'd make sense that this guy goes off the list to provide more ways to recycle them.
  • Smashing Ground: ...And here comes compensation for Tragoedia. But considering that Stardust Dragon's been lurking around, almost everyone would have an answer to this.

I suppose the reason why JD wasn't hit was because even without JD Lightsworns are still quite potent. Especially when you take Twilight Decks into consideration. Now with the main speed engines taking hits for both Light and Dark, Lightsworns shouldn't be too hard of a threat, since they also have a risk factor in them as well. --Gadjiltron 10:59, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Treeborn is there because the card says "This effect cannot be activated if you control a face-up "Treeborn Frog"." So you can only use one anyway. That is until it gets removed, then you can use the second one. Falzar FZ 11:09, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, no! now Frog decks with D.3.S. Frog are unstoppable! Until your opponent realizes it is stupid so they kill it.--Helix-king 13:15, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

The only way to stop that frog is remove from play, like Karma Cut and Macro Cosmos with few support cards. They can kill Frog and remove them from play for good. --FredCat100 21:21, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Quite contented about the result

yay!, Necro Gardna is limited, which means lesser attack negations

Tragoedia is also limited, simply he works like Gorz the Emissary of Darkness

but why did Battle Fader still at 3? maybe they don't still see the effects of this card

Dandylion and Treeborn Frog are semi'd, so it more like extra field defenders and tribute fodders.

Cyber Dragon is also semi'd, so ill see SSed 2100 ATK monster more

Honest is reduced, so i hope the Honest psychology is also reduced =) June23ly 14:10, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

  • Battle Fader is a very good safety net against OTKs. It ends the Battle Phase and buys you some time, but doesn't do anything afterwards since it's 0/0. No reason to Limit this guy. --Gadjiltron 01:50, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Objection!!!

I have to question the validity of this list because Brionac is not on the Limited list. Why would it be Limited in the OCG and yet Unlimited in the TCG? That doesn't make any sense... 12.107.224.195 22:11, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

At the time of Brionac's first Limiting, it wasn't in the TCG. The list will add Brionac to the TCG list, and it is expected that TCG and OCG use the same list. DemonGodAsura 22:58, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

But then it should be on this list... which it clearly is not. I call shenanigans. 12.107.224.195 23:04, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

  • BIG SIGH* This is the OCG list. Brionac is already limited in the OCG He'll just be brought to limited in the TCG. Why do people not realize this. >_> ElectroBlade 23:11, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

What The Hell is Konami doing, Blackwing is already not as strong as before after limiting Gale now they are Semi-Limiting Black Whirlwind somemore. I think the Next Format the Whole Blackwing will be in the Limited/Semi-Limited List User:BF - Black Force 08:13, February 18, 2010

  • It totally sucks. I'm not going to play it. --Flushy 11:51, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

These lists are legit trust me, I've seen them everywere. Personally I have no complaints with it. I have a friend who was making blackwings and ls, and traded some top notch cards to get three Charges. He'll be crushed by this news lol ^^ It doesn't effect me, or any of the decks i'm making though.

The list hits blackwings enough that blackwing users will have to buy all the new blackwing support which are all super rare etc lol. good move by konami having all the first blackwings commons then getting them to go after the rares.

Good to see Twilight take a hit. I don't see why Necroface, Mind Crush or Magical explosion have been changed though. ChaosSorcerer 20:49, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Comments on a few of the cards.

Limited

Semi-Limited

Falzar FZ 03:41, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Well...

id say the banned/limited list was (note i run lightsworns[poormans]) hard hitting on lightsworns, maybe too hard just because its victory in a tourney once. normally when meta game decks win tourneys they hit them yes, but this in my mind was too hard even though they havent been touched.

  • semi limiting lumina wouldve been ok due to the fact you usually mill 2 lumina on the decks normal speed (minus charge)
  • semi limiting charge wouldve been ok due to the same reason as semi-lumina.
  • necro gardna. yes. limiting him was a wonderful idea because 3 honest and 3 necro was too much protection for lumina. limiting necro and semi honest plus higher chance for mill can justify 2 lumina.
  • charge....can agree with konami yet the higher chance for mill still stands. having semi limiting recharge, charge, and lumina with semi honest and limited necro is appropriate.
  • honest. saw that coming the minute i heard of twilight packs.
  • foolish. id say....it hits more on another deck of mine(which hurts me greatly) but i can see that lightsworn wise. easy wulf. free wulf. too broken....lightsworn wise.

basically i can live with it...roughly...but it wouldve been more better felt (both a swing/miss and a direct hit thing) if they semi everything except necro. they mainly were targeting lumina but they hit too hard trying to hard .... semi blk whirlwind???? how much more unnecessary abuse and torture will blkwings have to go through?? they already have it rough and vayu brought them back from the brink but now its just...one allure????............its too much. Kitsane-San 04:28, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

Dude I run BW's and Im gonna tell you right now. The only thing that that deck shouldn't of lost was Gale. Allure + BWhril + Vayu = asking for ban! The deck was way to over powered, granted that was a nice plus when I played them but it was just getting redonklious. --TheDivineDuelist 05:27, February 24, 2010 (UTC)