Forum:March 2010 ban list ideas

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what kinds of things would be limited or banned march 2010. cards like honest, judgement dragon and so forth?

what if?

If honest will be limited..how about bf-shadow kalut?.. judgement dragon or lightsworn lumina might be limited.Because judgment dragon is a very destructive card against other cards n lumina can make the lightsworn to swarm very fast.Lumina also can special summon lightsworn wulf which have very high atk.

Ring of destruction will become limited.

Oh please limit Kalut, I truly hate kalut, I despise it (or at least semi-limit it). Also they should limit Charge of the Light Brigade, Judgmente dragon, and maybe Honest(I just got mine, but as long as it stays out of the forbidden list I won't complain).HouseholdCatDeity 03:55, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Black Whirlwind may get a limit-semi and Judgment Dragon may be down a bit. maybe Demise, King of Armageddon can be lessened since no one plays ritural like how Light and Darkness Dragon went back to 3. Call of the Haunted and Monster Reborn may switch and maybe a banned may return like Tsukuyomi. Metamorphosis may return if they realise we arnt using it. im guessing Blackwings may get snipped a but maybe not crippled. oh and something about zombies

My Ideas

Forbidden

Limited

Semi-Limited

--These are what just I think of what will March 2010 will look like.

Jampong 06:18, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

No way "Battle Fader" is even touched. It is the only card that guarantees safety from an OTK. "Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier" also has no place on the Forbidden list. I can't see "Butterfly Dagger - Elma", "Stardust Dragon", "Premature Burial", or "Metamorphosis" being Limited, the last 2 shouldn't even come off the list. "Ring of Destruction" is 1 "Spell of Pain" away from being Forbidden for all of eternity. I agree with the remainder of the list, but move "Cyber Dragon" to Semi-Limited and move "Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner" to Limited. DemonGodAsura 06:49, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
  • jester confit is terrible why limit it? butterfly dagger elma needs to stay banned because of its otk abuse. stardust dragon will never be limited even with starlight road. premature burial is still too abusable imo even with brionac gone (which it shouldnt be). limiting black whirlwind will kill blackwings which are only tier 2 now, i dont think they would limit it or even semi it. book of moon, fissure, dd warrior lady are all reasonable cards and shouldnt be limited. rescue cat and DAD are too powerful to be semi limited tho. I think JD will be limited as well as Charge.Lord of Amphibians 07:32, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ooh, ooh, I got some ideas!

Banned:

Plaguespreader Zombie. With Plague banned, Zombies are balanced. The only reason Zombies are broken is because of plays like this:

[Player 1] normal summons Zombie Master, and uses it's effect to discard and revive another Zombie Master, which discards Mezuki to revive a Plaguespreader Zombie, which Synchro summons...(and a mass of complicated reviving and special summoning later)...and they all attack [Player 2] directly for the game! What a quick match!

Without the Plague engine, we can create a slightly weaker, yet still competitive, Zombie Swarm deck.

Limit:

Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier, Charge of the Light Brigade. No more OTKs with Brionac at one, and people will be weary to use it with BTH at three, which I will suggest later in my post. All Lightsworn needs is a limited Charge to ruin their day. At one, it will be simply milled off and forgotten. It also kills the decks consistency, and screws up their OTK potential.

Semi-Limit:

Card Trooper, Black Whirlwind, Smashing Ground, Gravity Bind. Yes, I know the 'Dupe Troop' strategy. Summoning two beatsticks that mill is not game-breaking. Black Whirlwind at two makes Blackwing have less of an OTK potential, while Smashing Ground is balanced, and Gravity Bind is no better than (or weaker than) Threatening Roar. It is too vulnerable and slow to be abused by any meta deck, while giving a slight boost to Burn and Mill decks.

Unlimit:

Bottomless Trap Hole. This needs to be at three to balance certain decks. -bewk 20:19, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

My Turn

Forbidden
No changes
Limited
"Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner" - Major swarm card of LS. Turns Wulf into more of a dead draw.
"Judgment Dragon" - Double JD drops are too common and end the game upon summon.
"Vice Dragon" - Allure-able, SS, Twilight monster
"Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier" - Ultimate bouncer. OTK producer (remember the last one? Dark Strike Fighter?)
"Confiscation" - The answer to Honest and Kalut.
Semi-Limited
"Cyber Dragon" - See Vice Dragon, non-Allurable
"Black Whirlwind" - Slow down the fast swarming Blackings slightly.
"Waboku" - Gladiator key card
Unlimited
No changes

DemonGodAsura 20:40, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Oops, forgot about Cydra. But do you really think GBs need to be hit anymore? And also, with Charge at three, don't you think that Lumina will still come out just as often? I say eliminate the highly-splashable engine card, Charge of the Light Brigade. And I am just not seeing Confiscation doing anything but helping all decks become more broken. Dustshoot is better, slower, and we can wait until some Ally of Justice cards make it into the TCG for Honest detection/prevention. Anyways, we need Waboku for protection in this OTK format. -bewk 20:56, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
I only see "Waboku" used by Glads. As for "Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner", if you limit her, then LS loses most of its swarming capabilities, and turns "Wulf, Lightsworn Beast" into even more of a dead draw. Limiting "Charge of the Light Brigade" would do less, but it would still be a good Limit. "Confiscation" will be a sided card, as it may discard 1 from the opponent's hand, but at the cost of 1000 LP, against decks with many heavy hitters. Honest isn't very dangerous, it's the double JD drop that kills players. DemonGodAsura 04:17, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
Before Confiscation was banned, almost every deck abused it. It will be the same if it is limited: a broken staple used by every deck. I do not expect Waboku to get hit, because it is not even slightly broken. If GBs do get hit, (which most likely won't happen, indirect or not) the target will not be Waboku.
But, I am starting to understand why you suggested Lumina be limited. It would hurt LS, but semi-limiting Charge would help even more. Those changes would not destroy the LS archetype, but take the power a step down. -bewk 23:30, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Here is a few ideas

I don't see bws getting hit since zombies beat them now I can see bestiari going to 2 and Ls getting a hit so I we will see at least 3 decks that have a chance in the next format and brionic will hit one at the least Solastramage666 22:27, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Have you seen the Black Feather support in The Shining Darkness? It is insane. They will get hit, at least on the OCG ban list. -bewk 23:30, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

there not much good support for BW's in The Shining Darkness

Oh there is. Try this on for size. Not to mention they get a Spell and Trap. DemonGodAsura 03:35, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
How about this little fellow? -bewk 05:01, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

that little fellow is just about it and i agree he will be limited. I really see no value in the spell and trap they got and as for the other monsters they are okay but i just can't see them main decked very often.

Semi-Limit Black Rose Dragon, and Unlimit Lonefire Blossom? Debris-Hime isn't that much of a threat, especially when compared to Zombies, Lightsworn, and Blackwings.--Akiza Izayoi 16:37, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Ideas

banned

limited

semi-limited


why ban plaguespreader? if you ban him there are 3-4 synchro monsters that will be useless i think the lists are good as it is, just ban the call of the haunted and return premature burial i think goyo will be forbidden i guess (hope not) at lvl 6 he got 2800 freaking atk points and also an imba effect. if you ban JD, no more players will play lightsworn again but for the love of crap in Gold series 2010 Jd + Dad in 1 booster pack 0_0June23ly 12:50, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Plaguespreader is the only unbalanced card in a Zombie deck. Without it, Zombies will not be broken. With it, Zombies will always be broken. Premature Burial is too powerful when used with Brionac, since a loophole in Premature's effect allows it to be used as a near-infinite revival card. Call of the Haunted fits the meta better, anyways. Also, a simple beatstick like Goyo will never be banned. -bewk 18:34, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


JD won't be banned, just limited. Aside from that I don't think Lightsworns will be hit more than that, and I hope not, because I run them.User:LightMasterJ

FZ's Ideas

Forbidden:

none (If any, it would probably be Brain Control, since that card wins games by itself sometimes)

Limited:

These should happen:
Judgement Dragon (Should have been limited ages ago)
Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier (This = Tier 1 Zombies, before this, Zombies were tier 2)
These might happen:
Mezuki (As if Zombies didn't have enough revival power)
Magician of Faith (There's almost always 1 Forbidden Card coming off and this is what I think it is this time.)
Royal Oppression (It's powerful, but it's anti-meta. That is until now, meta decks are starting to use this card. Shouldn't be semi'd since meta decks use 2 anyway.)

Semi-Limited:

These should happen:
Burial from a Different Dimension (Vayu and Necro Gardna spamming is not good, this may get limited, but I think semi should be enough.)
Tragoedia (Easy SS, in some decks it can get very powerful, in-built Brain Control. However, in more decks it's a weak card. Stops OTKs.)
Honest (Splashable card, can be reused easily with Beckoning Light. Can turn games around by itself. Not limited before since it was expensive and Konami wanted you to buy it, now that there's a promo version it can go now)
Card Trooper (I really don't see this card as a threat)
These might happen:
Black Whirlwind (This > Card of Safe Return but because it's a non-splashable card it should be here and not Limited. Also, new BW cards are coming out.)
Gladiator Beast Bestiari (GB's are not tier 1 any more, give them a chance)
One for One (Decks like Frogs and Morphtronics need this)
Either Advanced Ritual Art or Demise, King of Armageddon (Rituals are not meta, why limit them so much?)

Unlimited:

These should happen:
Mind Crush (Destroying people's minds with ancient magical powers is A-OK)
Magical Stone Excavation (No one cares... almost)
Goblin Zombie (I don't think people will run 3 anyway)
These might happen:
Lonefire Blossom (Well, Plants need this to compete against Zombies. Seriously, ever play the game Plants vs. Zombies?)
Mask of Darkness (Why is this on the list anyway?)

Falzar FZ 04:03, January 20, 2010 (UTC)


umm, mask of darkness must remain on its state, imagine a revival of mirror force or torrential tribute from grave 3x i agree on 1 4 1 semi limiting please rest magician of faith in its resting place, imagine brain control twice? or any super imba spell card twice i want to also add Mind Master to semi limit (psychics are not tier 1 anyway, just like bestiari on GBs) that's all i guess June23ly 10:23, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Mask of Darkness and Magician of Faith are there since no top decks in tournaments use these cards. (I did mention banning Brain Control)

Plants, they have access to 4 Mirror forces and 4 Brain Controls (Wall of Thorns and Mark of the Rose) When those cards were released people thought that would effect the meta. However, this did not happen as well as people predicted. The top few plant decks even dropped Wall of Thorns and a few Mark of the Roses.

Mind Master has a FTK and an OTK, these aren't good even in a non-meta deck. Falzar FZ 21:59, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

My list March 2010

Forbidden:

None

Limited:

Brionac (TGC is on 3)

Red Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon (for the promo in the Absolute Powerforce)

Vayu

Catastor

Mezuki

Burial from a different dimension

Stardust Dragon

Judgment Dragon

Honest

Tragoedia

Semi-Limited:

Dark Eruption (A Monster reincarnation without cost)

Cyber Dragon (For the New Machine Deck)

Jinzo (for Call of the Haunted)

Deep Sea Diva

Future Fusion

Starlight Road

Dark Bribe

Trade-In

Hell Twin Cop

Red Eyes Wyvern

Deck Devastation Virus

Giant Trunade

Black Rose Dragon

Genesis Dragon

Vice Dragon

Unlimited:

Ultimate offering (Posibly)

You are a prophet!! Please please umlimit Ultimate offering. HouseholdCatDeity

Aren't Gadgets tier 1 in OCG? meaning they won't unlimit Ultimate Offering. Falzar FZ 02:21, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Let this kitty dream plz.HouseholdCatDeity

"coughcough" Obelisk "cough" (and Ra too, if it's been made in the TCG by then. Battlemaniac 20:27, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

i highly doubt that redmd, wyvern and genesis dragon will get affected.. 

 1.genesis doesnt see much use except in disaster dragon
 2. wyvern only works on red eyes monsters... so outside of the dragon type red eyes theres red eyes zombie dragon
 3. redmd only works for dragon types. if it wasnt for that then dragons would see little to no use at all

no matter which way you look at it, dragon types dont have the major support that is needed to be ran without red eyes darkness metal

I heard

--they will limit Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier,because it's so fast in the new and improved infernity Deck.

Jampong 12:50, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Here's mine, after a long time of not posting =)

My ideas would be...

Forbidden - nothing changes, even if you think Konami should really limit DSF at one

Limited

Semi-Limited

and too many more that I can think of.

Unlimited

There, all I can think of. UltraSynchron 20:39, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Here's some of my thoughts

Banned: no new

limited: Judgment dragon(if you look at the limited and banlist ANY card that blows up field is either at 1 or banned why has judgment been the exception?) Archlord Kristya (this card makes lightsworn ridiculous) Charge of the light brigade (splashing into too many decks for the mill effect and lightsworns been top for awhile. it may only be semi-limited) Mesuki (slow down the plague engine a little bit, it's kinda crazy almost teledad)

semi-limited Black whirlwind (maybe but it's just a possible thought to slow em down a little) Bestiari (This will make gladiator beasts back on the competitive scale and help bring them up to top 16 again) Honest( the only reason it isn't up here already is because it was either secret rare or ghost rare now that it's coming out as a more common card it'll be semi-limited at least)


Predictions for new format are that blackwings and gladiator beasts are going to be running the show and possibly even xx-sabers with they're new cards coming out. Actually even if they do limit the lightsworn stuff it'll probably switch over to a twilight deck with chaos sorcerer. I just hope we see a change of top tier decks. lightsworns been up there a while and so has the destiny hero/ synchro dad builds. Zombies have been up there for a while too. New format i'm hoping new top tiers.

More of my Ideas

--I hear them limiting Infernity Gun.

Jampong 12:19, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

To stop the loop with Archfiend? yes, it's broken. Falzar FZ 09:31, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Has any 1 thought about Elemental Hero Absolute Zero bein at 1 --Daddygray44 13:00, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Semi'd maybe, limited, not really. Falzar FZ 09:31, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Sub's Advanced Format List March 2010

  • Forbidden
Brain Control - Sack for game much?
Trap Dustshoot - Look at opponent's strategy and send back a monster.
  • Limited
Judgment Dragon - Way too good of a field nuker, and way too easy to bring out.
Burial from a Different Dimension - Mezuki, Vayu, and Gardna abuse.
Mezuki - Way too easy to abuse.
Beckoning Light - Turn crap hand into God Hand? No thanks.
Tragoedia - Becomes too powerful with other changes on this list.
Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier - Match the OCG.
Magician of Faith - It can bring back heavy or a draw card, but it probably wouldn't see too much play.
Stardust Dragon - Release of Starlight Road demands a limit of Stardust, but Konami won't do it b/c they want to sell tins.
  • Semi-Limited
Black Whirlwind - I think three is too much, and one is too little. Two seems to be the right amount.
Charge of the Light Brigade - Doesn't need to go to one with JD and Beckoning at one.
Monster Gate - Reasoning going to one makes sense, but this card's cost balances it out.
Black Rose Dragon - A way to curb the potential of swarm decks.
  • Unlimited
Mind Crush - More of a side deck card than anything else now. Dustshoot banned means this card is fine at three.
Mask of Darkness - I don't see people maining three. It's too slow, and the card brought back is public knowledge. Thus, it's easy to play around.

--Sub (Talk | Contribs) 03:44, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Trap Dustshoot too situational to be banned? It is only good the first three turns against most decks. Anyway, only one person in the top four at the last Shonen Jump mained a Dustshoot. That doesn't necessarily mean much, but most decks don't require it. -bewk 04:01, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • That's b/c they were mostly Lightsworn decks (which usually don't play Dustshoot). Most competitive decks that aren't Lightsworn (and sometimes LS also) play Dustshoot. I can see it not being banned, but I think it gives such a big advantage early on that it needs to go. Also, a lot of stackers do quite a good job of getting dustshoot first turn. Why not eliminate that issue altogether? --Sub (Talk | Contribs) 04:26, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • It is rare to draw Dustshoot at all, much less on the first couple turns. And, if you overcome the odds and activate it, the effect isn't game-ending. It is one for one. Against LS, BW, GB or Zombie decks, the monster you sent back can be easily accessed. Trap Dustshoot has made no impact on this meta. It is not a staple in any major deck. -bewk 05:00, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • a first turn trap dustshoot gives such a good advantage however, usually enough to win the game from there. User:Lord of Amphibians
    • Not really. If a deck using Dustshoot is facing LS, they can just fetch the card sent back easily. Same with the other top four decks. Charge, Goblin, Black Whirlwind, and Proving Ground are all widely used, and can get back that needed monster. Still, the risk of using Dustshoot balences the card. You must jump through several hoops for it to be a useful card. I don't use it anymore because I was top-decking it at crutial times. -bewk 05:47, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

the main advantage is the knowledge of your opponent's hand. It also hurts strong opening plays most decks almost always do. Such as lumina/garoth against LS, whirlwind/shura against blackwings etc. User:Lord of Amphibians

There is a 15% chance of drawing it on the first turn, and a much greater chance (around 30%) of drawing it on the sixth turn (when it is worthless). The risks involved are tremendous. As I have said, it balances the card. -bewk 18:44, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
The main issue with Dustshoot isn't sending back a monster - it's realizing your opponent's strategy before they have a chance to make moves. You also forget that many decks are capable of drawing into it early through D-Draw, Allure, Recharge, and other forms of deck thinning. Also, against better players Dustshoot is almost always a live card. Better players tend to hold cards in their hands until they can either go for game, or they are forced to play out the hand. That means the opponent will generally have about 4 cards in hand throughout most the duel, so Dustshoot will be live through many turns. If Dustshoot is dead, there are many ways to get rid of it: Brionac, Phoenix Wing Wind Blast, or set it as a bluff to waste an opponent's Heavy Storm or Mystical Space Typhoon. --Sub (Talk | Contribs) 01:01, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
A player using Dustshoot can't fully use the knowledge they gained from it until their turn starts again. Therefore, you cannot anticipate your opponent's strategy. It is true that draw power lets a duelist draw into it faster. But, I disagree that Dustshoot is live more often against better players. Strategy and starting plays vary by region. In your area, it may be true, but not near me. LS games start with Charge > Lumina > Garoth, and one or two backrows. As the game progresses, the hand size doesn't usually improve. BWs activate their Whirlwind, and summon Shura, and set two or three. Against Zombies, Dustshoot is better. It is definitely not good against GBs, though.
Your statement about Dustshoot being fodder for Brionac or as a bluff is irrelevant, as any dead card can be used like that. It is only good while the owner is in the lead. It's usefulness decreases as the game progresses. -bewk 20:14, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

KingFro33's List

My Opinions

  • Forbidden
Plaguespreader Zombie(Depending on Imperial Iron Wall's Fate)
Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier(or at least limit since the OCG did)
  • Limited
Imperial Iron Wall(Ability to reuse Plaguespreader Zombie and Quillbolt Hedgehog nearly infinitely)
Honest(due to twilight pack spam ability)
Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow(or Semi-Limited would do nicely)
Quillbolt Hedgehog(or Semi-Limited for above reason)
  • Semi-Limited
(See above)
  • Unlimited
None.

The reason I bring this up is that the Plaguespreader Zombie with all the Zombie support (Mezuki etc.) makes his 'after-cost' of going out of play almost unheard of, plus due to Imperial Iron Wall, that cost can be negated completely for Plaguespreader Zombie as well as the Quillbolt Hedgehog making the two together a synchro war-crime. I'm also surprised that the TCG alowed Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier to be Unlimited, this card's ability can break a few decks and almost make the Semi-Limited and Limited lists useless, not to mention it can be a staple card in Zombie Decks thanksto their broken special summon power. As off late Honest being practically given away with the recent Twilight Packs make the Lightsworns even more of a hassle (as if their swarming ability wasn't already a game winner in most opinion's) and the same with Blackwing - Kalut the Moon Shadow, but I say only Semi-Limited for him at best since that seems to be one of their only backup plans if the OTK doesn't work.

Personally I myself run a Lightsworn Deck and a Twilight Deck of half Lightsworns and half Dark monsters, this including both Honest, Plaguespreader Zombie, and Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier and I've seen the problems first hand with them. That's just my opinion, there are lots of other cards I can say, but these I've had experience firsthand.

User:KingFro33 Friday, 05 2010 01:31 am

Here goes something...

Banned:

  • Plaguespreader Zombie The best tuner in the game because he can be played more than once. If he's gone, then even having three Goblin Zombie's and three Mezuki's won't be too bad since you don't spam extra copies of zombie's everytime you synchro.

Limited:

  • Judgment Dragon Why this didn't happen a long time ago is beyond me. Seriously, its like dropping an A-Bomb on Hiroshima all over agian. You just can't win with this thing at two...
  • Vice Dragon Dragns Decks are getting more powerful every set that comes out. This is just another free REDMD or Dragon Synchro for them. (I like Dragons, but he's too good even for me not to say so)

Semi-limited:

  • Cyber Dragon Oracle of the Sun and Vice Dragon are better since Dragons are rising up and Arcanite is already good as is. Machines need some more support.
  • Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner Major swarmer for Lightsworn. Even if JD and beckoning go to one, Celestia builds will still abuse this card.
  • Black Whirlwind Free cards to your hand and lots of swarming on the part of Blackwing monsters.
  • Honest I really want to say one, but it wouldn't be fair since we all know Lightsworns are gonna get ass raped anyway, plus Chaos Decks are ok this format.
  • Gladiator Beast Bestiari I actually have to agree with alot of people on this forum: Glad Beasts aren't much of a threat right now, and there easy to side agianst anyway. Stardust Dragon kills this deck alone, so not much else to say.
  • Necro Gardna Really good at stalling and annoying the hell out of your opponent.

--Sky Scourge God 09:36, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Royal Oppression will NEVER be Limited. It's what keeps swarm decks in their place, and slows down the game to a necessary pace.--Akiza Izayoi 23:20, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

True. It is not a broken card. -bewk 23:26, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • It doesn't slow down the game, Royal Oppression creates an unfair one sided battle for anyone that controls it, and an unneccassary stalemate if both players control one. Even swarm decks are siding this card, so if its good enough for tier 1 and 2 swarm decks to side agianst other decks, than its really just too good. --Sky Scourge God 05:38, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
  • How does it not slow down the game? With it, a usually weak deck can stop a big swarm most meta decks are known for. All decks can easily get around it (Breaker, Lyla, MST, etc.). Each player can activate Oppression's effect. It handicaps both players. Also, you must pay one-tenth of your Life Points to activate it's effect. How is it unbalanced? It is a great anti-meta card. And still, all cards in the side deck are meant to give the user an advantage. -bewk 19:29, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

The reason I say its unblanced is because people who side it and that aren't using any form of Anti-Meta will only play it when they themselves swarm the field. The same thing goes to Archlord Kristya in Lightsworn Decks: they only play it when they gain field advantage. Thats why its unbalanced because it turns the game into a race to see who can swarm the field first. If it was at least limited (since its not good enough to be banned), then it would eliminate that kind of gameplay. Why do you think they limite Solemn Judgment? Because it stopped "solemn wars". --Sky Scourge God 06:00, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

  • "Pay 800 Life Points to negate a Special Summon of a monster and/or the effect of a card that Special Summons a monster and destroy it. Both you and your opponent can use this effect as long as this card remains face-up on the field." It does slow down the game and isn't one sided at all, as both players can stop each other using only one card, and it is balanced indeed because it only works up to nine times before you lose all of your life points, very insistent swarmers can easily waste Royal Oppression in the same fashion Spirits can easily waste Light and Darkness Dragon. It doesn't stop searchers and Gorz either. And there is a card that truly is unfairly one sided, stops searchers and Gorz with almost no drawback and 2500 atk, it's name is Vanity's Ruler and I don't see anyone claiming it's broken.HouseholdCatDeity 19:49, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I screwed up my last reponse because I forgot about it being usable by both players, sorry bout that. Anyways, if you want to know why I think its unbalanced, look at the above reponse I left for "BEWK". --Sky Scourge God 06:00, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Plaguespreader Zombie must not be banned because there is no other zombie tuners in the game, it must stay where it is right now.Qstation 02:39, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

  • It's not the fact that its a Zombie-Type Tuner, its because its too easily played, searched viaother monsters (Goblin Zombie and Mystic Tomato), and spammed with Burial from a Different Dimension. EVERY deck runs one because Plaguespreader is good anywhere you can find it: Hand, Deck, Graveyard, and removed from play. Easy search target from the deck or milled out with Lightsworns, easy dump from your hand with ANYTHING, great tribute for Cias the Shadow Monarch, comes back from the grave with its own effect, and finnaly a special summon target from the removed from play zone which may I add can put it dircetly back into the graveyard for even more added abuse. --Sky Scourge God 05:38, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
  • That said, I don't think that Plaguespreader is by any means game-breaking. The Forbidden list is for game-breaking cards, not powerful or good cards. Good cards that are powerful, but aren't game changers are Limited in some way, not Forbidden. DemonGodAsura 06:13, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

The plaguespreader abuse with mezuki and zombie master is a bit crazy but how about putting torrential tribute at 2 to control the swarming? OjaOwnage 09:26, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Torrential too powerful to be semi'd? it can help a player OTK as well as that. Falzar FZ 09:31, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
Unlimit Bottomless, and PSZ will become a little less powerful. -bewk 20:22, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Stardust wont get limited. SDAM decks will die out if bannerd. limit starlight road. i run SDAM. --Squidman 20 02:21, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

New Ideas

Forbidden

Limited

Semi-Limited

Unlimited

Jampong 14:59, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Why Necroface? Falzar FZ 06:00, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

--Necroface is so abusing sometimes.It also have a weaker recycling effect like Fiber Jar has.But it still depends.

Jampong 09:32, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

How about? [Banned] Brionac Dark Armed Dragon Magical explosion

[Limited] Necromancer Infernity Goblin Zombie Judgment Dragon Tsukuyomi Necroface Mezuki Burial from the different dimension Charge of the light brigade Allure of Darkness Crush Card Virus

[Semi Limited] Honest Card Trooper Bestiari Black Whirlwind Solar Recharge Solemn Judgment Gravity Bind Gladiator Beast War Chariot

[Unlimited] Chaos Sorcerer King Tiger Dewloren (OCG) Mind Master Gold Sarcophagus Magical Stone Excavation Ultimate Offering Mind Crush

  • Ultimate offering x3 + Mind master x3 = OTK. Mind Master is just that good HouseholdCatDeity 00:53, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

--Maybe they should also lessen Raiza the Storm Monarch and Caius the Shadow Monarch,or maybe just Raiza.

Heres some cards (90% accurate from Japan)

banned JD DAD Brionac Stratos

Limited allure tragoedia ccv

semi grand mole black whirlwind besteari cyber dragon

unlimited chaos sorccerer --Squidman 20 01:39, February 14, 2010 (UTC) Jampong 03:19, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Wow... you're pretty confident. If it's true then it will crack the meta-games A LOT! but I don't think Allure and Grand Mole will be touched. And I believe catastor will get hit this time. Neos lover 11:11, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
With so many Effects, Spells and Traps that Destroy Monsters. I personally don't see Catastor as much of a threat compaired to a lot of other cards. We'll see when the list comes out, and that should be quite soon. Falzar FZ 11:14, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

i do think that Ally of Justice Catastor will get hit to semi limited , not limited since it became easy to get in Gold Series 2010. After the release of the new booster pack, The Shining Darkness, some of its contents might be hit as well. BTW please do limit or semi limit Battle Fader because it greatly reduces the effectiveness of OTK based decks via battle. It is a very unexpected card that distrupts OTK plans. It is much useful than that of Tragoedia because Tragoedia can be destroyed by battle, but the said card simply ends the Battle Phase, and it is easy to get in OCG, unlike Gorz the Emissary of Darkness and Tragoedia. June23ly 12:32, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yep. Trags, Gorz, and Battlefader should be limited. They disrupts OTK. The problem is they can come from hand. Compared to Waboku and Threatening Roar, they're much more effective but near to imba. Neos lover 13:26, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Gorz the Emissary of Darkness is limited already. The other 2 are not.June23ly 13:47, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

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