Forum:My predictions/hopes of the September Banlist

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Banned:

Crush Card Virus- The fact that it clears 1500+ ATK monsters on your opponents field and their hand, and also grants you the ability to see what's in their hand (which I think is most harmful with Mind Crush running at 2), this card needs to go. Way too powerful.

Dark Strike Fighter- I'd rather them limit this card, but I can see them banning it due to the fact that it has made Blackwings, Cat Synchros, and more very OTK happy. Since it seems that Konami has been attempting to slow the game down, I see them banning this.


Limitted:

Pot of Greed- Not sure about this one, but I think that it would be good for the game to see either this or Graceful Charity come back, and seeing as how Graceful Charity is far more broken in today's game, Pot of Greed has more chance to see it's return.

Rescue Cat- Slows down the Cat Synchro deck, while also putting a little bit of a limit on GBs, which will be touched on in a sec.

Charge of the Light Brigade- So, they limitted Reinforcement of the Army (which was SEMI-reasonable), and let this ROTA-on-steroids at 3 for LS? Really? No, no, no, this must go to 1. LS can search for Lumina, Lyla, Ehren, Ryko, etc at will? AND it mills? Give me a break.

Judgment Dragon- They don't NEED to touch Judgment, but they might, seeing as how players have managed to find ways to get judgment back from the grave anyway, so limitting Judgment shouldn't hurt LS TERRIBLY.

Mind Control- Dunno about this one. Just for the pure and simple fact that, to anyone who runs 5+ tuners in their deck, this card is basically a change of heart to help them for synchros, and it's basically Christmas come early when the opponent has a f/d monster and you have a tuner in your hand. To slow the game down if nothing else, though they may not touch this card.

Tribe Infecting Virus- Well, this may be stretching it, but I think it's a good time right about now to bring this card back. Since BWs are running wild ATM, this would be a good crowd control card, especially since they probably won't do TOO much to Blackwings to slow them down, if anything at all. I think this would be an interesting reintroduction.

Black Whirlwind- So they gave arguably the best archetype in the game a reusable ROTA? Nice job, guys. Imagine 2 or 3 of these on the field at the same time. Wait, you probably don't have to, since you've probably SEEN it in person and already know what a pain it is for BW players to summon a Sirroco, Shura, etc and get a +1 to their hand. Even for the people that run 2, it seems to come to their hand all the time, whether or not they stack. Limited, please...

Tragoedia- Super Saiyan Gorz, anyone? For those of you who don't know about this card, basically it functions like Gorz, except you can summon it anytime you take battle damage, regardless of whether you control cards or not. It can also take permanent control of an opponent's monster by discarding one of the same level, and change it's own level to equal that of one of you monsters in your graveyard. BTW, ATK and DEF= 600 x cards in hand. If they limited Gorz, how are they NOT going to limit this?

Semi-Limit:

Lumina- 3 is just way too much. Sorry, but the LUMINA, pitch LUMINA, special summon LUMINA, pitch LUMINA, special summon LUMINA, pitch GAROTH, special summon GAROTH, next turn JD too annoying (though that would be kinda stupid if you think about it cause if they keep that field, they basically HAVE to do JD or something or they will mil themselves out in 3- turns.

Blackwing Gale- The huge problems with this card as that it is terribly easy to summon, it is searchable by many things, and worst of all, it's halving effect is permanent. They won't completely kill this card, but they will probably bring it down to 2. If they limit it to 1, though, I'd be very surprised.

D.D Warrior Lady- Good Problem solver, and not TERRIBLY broken at all, contrary to the opinion of some. It would be nice to see this at 2

Reinforcement of the Army- Ok, made your point Konami...this card is broken. Now how about you RETURN this card to Semi-Limit like you had it a couple years back, where it won't kill anybody, but it can still be very effective? Most BWs won't use it, Cat Synchro MIGHT, but I doubt it, and for those ridiculous people who still believe that the Prisma Glad build is the most effective, humor them

Gladiator Beast Bestiari- Speaking of Glads, Bestiari at 2 would not make Glads unstoppable by any means (never thought that they were when Bestiari was at 3, but w/e), and it would help greatly against other top tiers, Mostly Blackwings so that Glads can survive against them somewhat.

Cyber Dragon- HEY! I was kinda hoping this would've happened a while ago, but they never did it. So uh, how about NOW? Cyber Dragon is great fuel for Level 8 synchros. Right, get it. And so are a MILLION other things that are not banned and are much better than Cydra...so, how about letting this at least touch 2 again? "Oh no, you can't do that, cause then Chimeratech OTK deck will come back!" Uh.... sorry, but it won't do much against Armor Master or any LS/JD backed by Honest, will it? And if you're so worried about it, then how about this- Ban Chimeratech?

No Longer Limitted-

Destiny Draw- With malicious at 2, there is no need to keep this semi'd. Yes, a powerful draw engine card, I know, but it is MONSTER (not DECK) specific, as in you have to discard a Destiny Hero. Dark Decks are great and all, but they aren't anywhere near what TeleDAD was. Plus, Solar Recharge, which does a hell of a lot more for LS than D-Draw does for Dark Decks, is still at 3, so unless Konami is willing to Semi THAT, which they shouldn't, I'd bring this back to 3.--Phoenix25 21:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

And that's why the Ban Lists are hopefully created by UNbias people

Because we all know most of us would be bias in creating the Ban Lists~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire~~ 23:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


your banned list is bad.cyber dragon there no way if you ask me since that card was so over used.limit rescue cat but semi-limit bestiari,that does not really make sense.pot of greed is staying.--Airbellum 00:10, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


Um, ok??? Bad just because of you don't agree with Semi limitting Cyber Dragon???? And, sorry, but as a glad beast user, I'd rather them keep rescue cat at 2 and Bestiari at 1 cause Rescue Cat is far more useable at any given time, and I don't rely on either Bestiari NOR Gyzarus to win me games. They MAY semi bestiari, and there are a lot of rumors about them doing so. Just because YOU may not agree with certain things doesn't mean it's a bad list. FYI, Cyber Dragon was at 2, once upon a time (yes I know it was before the synchro era, but that doesn't mean that they WONT semi him again). And, Pot of Greed may come back. There's a lot of speculation there too, so don't be so quick as to say it won't happen, cause one just never knows. I'm not trying to be BIAS here, either. I run about 7 or 8 different decks, and am competitive with all of them, so it's kind of hard for me to be biased specifically toward GBs, LS, Dark Synchro, Monarch, Chain Burn, Blackwing, "Anti-Meta", and Hopeless Dragon all at the same time...--Phoenix25 02:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the list you just posted are so biased. But yeah, you made your point there, though you were partly wishing that all meta-deckers would have their decks crippled, weren't you? Let's just wait for the new list, and see what happens, I think some of your predictions might come true. Let's just see about that. XD UltraSynchron 05:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

As someone who have 6 years of yugioh experience.... new add banned list on september would be most likely...

  • Banned
  • 1.Dark Dive Bomber: even I as the user of DDB would agree due to its finishing effect
  • 2.Brionac: even without Premature burial there's still Symbol of Heritage... and many more
  • Limited
  • 1. Pot of Greed: well i have to agree this card does make the game interesting
  • 2. Jester Confit: Dood! Special summon without condition
  • 3. Rescue Cat: Fobid the kitten!!
  • 4. Book of Moon: Double effect? Prevent Attack?
  • Semi-Limited
  • 1.BW-Gale of the whirlwind: Even though i used BW deck this card is still anoyingbut limiting it may cause BW to un able to synchro...
  • 2.Dark Bribe: Ofcorse a very good card...
  • 3.Kuraz the Light Monarch: well the only monarch with effect regardless summoning..
  • 4.Exordos the Ultimate forbidden Lord: don't ask
  • 5.Spell Striker: Good for synchros and tribut
  • 6.Bottomless Trap Hole: this card needs to go to the next zone
  • 7.Honest: same reason as everyone knows

TairoMegus 09:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

What I think

--First of all,I don't know what to add on what I think Konami will Forbid this September,but here are the Limited and Semi Limited for me.

Limited

  • Tragoedia - Imagine:1 Gorz in your hand + 3 Tragoedia in your hand = 4 monsters in one ATK(I think Tragoedia works like that.Correct me of i'm wrong),also,Tragoedia can be use for Synchro.
  • Judgment Dragon - Just pay 1000 LP,all cards will perish,except Him.Can cause an OTK.
  • Pot of Greed - many decks has there own Draw Engines now.This one needs to be Limited.

--that's almost all of it.But for Semi-Limited,here it is.

Semi-Limited

  • Spell Striker - can be use for Synchro,Tribute Summon,and it can attack directly.
  • Gladiator Beast Bestiari - I think Konami just slowed Gladi-Beasts for a challenge to the users,but it didn't affect many decks.

Unlimited

  • Gold Sarcophagus - decks today are so fast,and this cards causes decks to slow down.

--that's almost all of it.

Jampong 11:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

MY BANLIST...

Banned:

  • Dark Strike Fighter: This card is way too good. It's gives too many Decks an OTK possibility, & limiting it would do nothing, as it only takes one to perform an OTK.
  • Crush Card Virus: Perhaps, as its usage is somewhat limited to certain Decks, but with it projected to be reprinted & Mind Crush at 2, I think Konami needs to issue a cure to this plague.
  • Brionac: This card isn't out yet, but I personally think that it should be Banned, since it's better than DAD in the aspect of how accessible it is, not just its effect.

Limited:

  • Rescue Cat: If you've played CatSynchro or RescueGlads, you'll know why I think this card should be Limited. Some people think that CatSynchro is a garbage deck. Fine. But what about the impact it has on Glads! Please put this Cat down...
  • Gale the Whirlwind: This card getting Limited is a maybe in my mind. But with Blackwings going around doing what they do, I think there is a good case for Gale to be Limited. C'mon, he's better than Honest!
  • Honest: THIS CARD MUST DIE!!!!!! I hate this card so much!!!!! Call me biased if you want, but I think that this card is way too overpowered, as well as cheap. I truly feel that this card should get limited, but not Banned.
  • Ally of Justice Catastor: While this card isn't available yet, its effect should immediately warrant itself a Limit. This card kills anything that's not Dark. Hmm..... what can I say? BROKEN!!!!!
  • Armor Master: Ok, this thing is also BS. You just can't kill it! Especially if your opponent has Stardust out! Enough said.
  • Charge of the Light Brigade: This card must follow the same path that ROTA did, especially since it's even better than ROTA!
  • Pot of Greed: C'mon, give this card a break. For those of us(including myself) who don't have a decent drawing card, give us one! You guys(Konami) give everyone else Allure, D-Draw, & Solar Recharge! What about those of us who can't use those cards?!
  • Black Whirlwind: You can make the same case for this card to get Limited as Charge.
  • Judgment Dragon: This big f**ker is too big! It has 3000 ATK, is Honest-able, & has a better nuke effect than Demise & possibly DAD? Think about it.

Semi-Limited:

  • Test Tiger: Let's slow down Glads a bit now. They've been runnin' around for too long, in my opinion.
  • ROTA: I understand that they put this here to kill Tele-DAD, but now Tele-DAD has been put down for good. Let Warrior Toolbox & E-Heroes(& my Junk Deck) get some more searching power!
  • Stardust Dragon/Assault Mode: This huge beater has already made the rounds at SJC Anaheim, & now we've recognized his potential. Now let's set some limits on him.
  • Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon: I only put this here 'cuz I'm worried about how strong Hopeless Dragon is, even though it hasn't made the rounds yet.
  • Gladiator Beast Laquari: This guy, too. He's been one of the GB's most solid beaters since their release. Now it's time to put him on a leash.
  • Gladiator Beast Heraklinos: *See above*
  • Gladiator Beast War Chariot: This cost-less Divine Wrath has got to be Semied, if not Limited. No explanation necessary.
  • Thunder King Rai-Oh: This guy, while I love him, is a little too much of a loose cannon at 3. Let's set him right.

No Longer Limited: No changes

These are my ideas, so don't get mad. I tried not to be too biased, I just tried to think in the general interest of all the other Duelists.

--E-Dizzle 06:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

My predictions

Not quite my ideal banlist, but predictions on how it would change.

Forbidden

  • Dark Dive Bomber : Even one of this guy can result in a nigh-unstoppable finishing blow. Limiting probably won't even do anything to how he's played.

Limited

  • Judgment Dragon : Big beating power, an ability to nuke the field, and generally easier to summon than DAD. It's got to hit 1, as 2 in one's hand will mean instant 6k damage.
  • Rescue Cat : I've been seeing Rescue Synchro hit top in several OCG tournaments, so I'm guessing this is bound to happen soon enough. This also cuts down on the GB's searching power a bit, too.
  • Tragoedia : Kinda like Gorz with an eased up summoning requirement. If you've been keeping your hand count up, this guy is also ferocious.

Semi-Limited

  • Black Whirlwind : We know that the Black Whirlwinds stack, but considering that it's Black Feathers only, 2 should suffice in controlling its searching ability without making it too hard to draw into. Cuts down on the deck's power while still keeing it viable.
  • Reinforcement of the Army : It's been fine at 2, so I don't see why it shouldn't go back to 2.
  • Black Feather - Gale the Hurricane : They'll most likely do something about this, but I'm not sure whether it's a limit or a semi-limit. Best to sit with a semi in speculations.

And contrary to what the above are so wanting, Konami would be unlikely to do anything to charge of the Light Brigade due to it not even being available in OCG. But there's EX Pack 2 coming up, we'll never know what'll be inside... --Gadjiltron 07:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey Guys

--I want your opinion on this:

--Do you think Hand Destruction will hit the September List?

Jampong 06:05, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

--because for what i see,it's the weaker.but faster version of Graceful Charity

Jampong 06:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

  • First off, how can something be weaker & faster??? Just wonderin... As for those of you who say Tragoedia should be Limited, I disagree. WhileHe is incredibly easy to get out, think about it. Most players will not be able to get his attack over 2000 unless a Deck is built around him. Plus, his 'Brain Control' effect is very, very gimmicky, since there's more of a chance that you won't have the correct monster to discard in order to steal what your opponent has. That's why it doesn't make much sense to Limit him, yet.

--E-Dizzle 16:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


What can I say? Uh, I don't think that Hand Destruction will hit the lists, as well as Tragoedia, they're not that way too powerful, as most duelist who'd say that it is, esp. Tragoedia. Well I think my fave monster JD, would be limited soon, as well as Dark Dive Bomber, they're just way too powerful. And oh, not to mention Honest, this card gives life to most LIGHT-Attributed Decks (LS, Batteryman, decks that use Chaos-End Master, etc), I think this card could be Semi-Limited, or Limited. And has anybody thought of Caius the Shadow Monarch being on the lists? I think this card is just powerful. UltraSynchron 06:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


I think Tragoedia must be in semi-limited, because it's so easy to summon plus it can be used for Synchro-Summon.

Reasons

--The reason why I said Hand Destruction is a weaker,but faster version of Gracful Charity,is because it's a Quick-Play Spell Card,LOL.

--Second,I think Caius will not hit the list.Unlike Raiza.

--Third,Tragoedia will be LIMITED.It is MORE easier to summon than Gorz,also,can be used for Synchro.

--Lastly,I think Honest will hit Semi-Limited.It's kinda annoying for some reason.

Jampong 09:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Dude, Honest Deserves to be way more than Semied. & how can you say that Tragoedia is better than Gorz? It really isn't! Sure, it's easier to summon, but it's more unstable than Gorz, it's effect is too gimmicky, & the chances of you having the exact monster you need to discard in order to brainwash an opponent's monster are slim. That's why it doesn't need to be hit at all. Unless someone finds a way to abuse it, it won't touch the Banlist for a while. And once again I ask, how can something be faster yet weaker?????

--E-Dizzle 20:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


  • A couple of things, dude. 1) They probably won't hit Honest any harder than Semi, seeing as how Lightsworns are really the only widely used top tier that actually uses it, and without at least two Honests, LS would be considerably weaker (and Konami would lose a lot of money from people trying to make LS) . 2) How can you say that Tragoedia is NOT better than Gorz? Tragoedia can be special summoned anytime you take battle damage REGARDLESS of whether or not you control cards. Imagine this:

During your first turn (assuming you go second), after you summon a level 4 monster and attack a face-up sangan or something and do damage, they special summon Tragoedia. Assuming your opponent has a DECENT deck and has at least 2 cards in hand (their first turn, they summoned sangan and placed 2 f/ds), what are the odds that, after they draw putting a 3rd or 4th card in their hand, what is the likelyhood that they WONT have a level 4 in their hand to control of your level 4? All the top tier decks out right now run a good amount of level 4 monsters, and just for the hell of it, imagine that the controller of Tragoedia is using blackwings. They take your level 4, pitches a shura or something, uses tragoedia's effect to make it a level 4, summons a bora, then special summons gale, synchros DSF with Gale and Tragoedia, and his whole field (including that level 4 he just took from you) attack directly (DSF's 2600 + Bora's 1700+ your level 4's minimum 1000?=5100 just in attacking) Main phase 2, tribute your level 4 and bora for 1600 and then DSF for 1400 and game. Any questions? Oh, btw, he still had two cards face down to protect himself from whatever you could do to respond to that, one of which is probably a Delta Crow to wipe out all your F/Ds.

Seems a little situational and dependent upon a lot of things, doesn't it? Yeah... but isn't that what people were saying about an otk with DSF in Blackwings before they were released? They could definitely pull it off, Cat synchro could DEFINITELY make good use of it, and even Glads and LS can seriously mess you up with it. Odds are that Konami will take an early step to make sure that it isn't too abused. Plus, look at all the people that complain about Cyber Dragon and how "broken" it is now that there are synchros. Imagine that you can pretty much control Tragoedia's level, meaning that it could easily become level 2-6 in BWs, would probably be 3 or 4 in Cat synchro, 3-5 in LS (why LS would use it unless they were running Twilight, I'll never know..) and 3 or 4 in Glads (why glads would use it other than to try and open for a direct attack, however, I'll never know...) Oh, and most of what I like to call "Mass Synchro" decks (you know, those decks that are literally solely about synchros, and run about 7-12 tuners with 3 Mind Controls and such?) run monsters of all sorts of levels, so Tragoedia could become level 1-6 (like in mine, where I have AT LEAST one tuner of every level from 1-4, run a couple level 5s and Caius who is 6).

Well

--It's just an opinion about what I think will happen at the Sept. Advance Format.

Jampong 09:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


sorry guys, but after playtesting with mr. T (what the playtest group calls tragoedia) we found that...hes not ...all that great, of course he looks cool at first glance, but seriously, think of it, would you run this guy outside of some crazy combo deck? hes way to small most of the time to make a difference like gorz, and you cant play more than 1 at a time (along with gorz) overall, hes a dead draw alot of the time, yea he can be used for synchro summons, but so can level warrior (oooo, scary) and think about this, japans had this guy for awhile now, and at most hes a sideboard card, we dream of having things they have, and they still dont use it half the time anyway (looking for something specific, look at the mist valley 2 card lock, not hard to notice, pretty obvious really, but yea, they dont use that broken combo at all). overall there decks only have about a 5-6 card difference from ours anyway, but theres some things ive noticed watching the ocg, lightsworn arent broken, they dont need any more restrictions, glads are fine as is, the only cards i feel that are gonna be hit by the limit/ban hammer are *shocking* summoner monk (out of the whole combo, hes the most splashable) dark strike fighter (there gonna limit him, but its not going ot change anyhting since you only need 1 anyway) gale (hes more of an iffy one for me, i know why people hate him, but, people hate anything that can beat them, so everything with potential, ill say semi-limit)

This is what I think will change:
Banned - No new additions
Limited - Dark Strike Fighter (should be banned but it won't be), Rescue Cat, Summoner Monk, Gold Sarcophagus, Judgment Dragon, Charge of the Light Brigade
Semilimited - Tragoedia, Blackwing - Gale of the Hurricane, Black Whirlwind
Unlimited - Destiny Draw
I would explain my choices, but I'm way too lazy to do so. Animedude3000 02:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey

  • I see the point why they should not limit Tragoedia,but still(maybe),it will enter the banned list for a short time(i think).

Jampong 09:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Dark Strike MUST be banned! It is not only broken, but it is one of the main forces of power behind Synchro Cat Decks, Blackwing Decks, & anything that can Synchro rapidly. Plain & simple, it gives Decks in today's current metagame TOO MUCH POWER. Once again, DSF MUST BE BANNED!!!!!

--E-Dizzle 05:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Changes To ban List that I think must happen

yes I think that some cards are ptetty good and with small costs Cards to Banned

United We Stand Think of it even if you have only a monster on your field the equipped monster gain 800 ATK points and with an Ultimate Offering you can summon monster to increase the eqipped monster attack up to 4000

Mage Power For Same reasons as United we stand

Monster Reborn Yes i think it has to return To Banned cards it is pretty good and it is not an equipment or a continiuous trap like Premature Burial or Call Of The Haunted so that you cn destroy the equipped monster

Reasoning Yes although i like this card very much the truth is that is an extremly good card and should go banned

Future Fusion If you have Dragon's Mirror Overload Fusion or Miracle Fusion in your hand + this card it can be a killer card


From Limited To Semi Limited


Ultimate Offering Yes It is not such a good card(or maybe i only thing this)

Wall of Revealing Light Which guy should waste so much life points to activate 2 of this.Go to Semi-Limited just to increase the possibility to draw this card

From Semi-Limited to Limited

Manticore of Darkness Why to give such a gift to Exodia deck users?

Book of Moon Return To Limited

And now is the part that everyone waits

From Forbiddened to Limited

Dark Magician of Chaos I cant see a reason it gone to banned list

Cyber Jar i m not sure for this one

Magician of Faith ok you just return a spell to your hand not a ridiculous effect

Witch of the Black Forest Yes why witch is banned and Sangan not?How unfair

Graceful Charity I think everyone agrees

Pot of Greed same here

Change of Heart not so sure

Harpie's Feather Duster why not ?

Premature Burial you pay 800 Lp and it can easily destroeyed come on this have to return to limited

Call of the Haunted For same reasons but you dont pay LP

Ring of Destruction Return this to Limited

Not many cards in this part

From Forbidden To Semi-Limited

Return from the Different Dimension I think it is not so good to be banned not even Limited

Metamorphosis maybe i am a little overexcited

From Unbanned to Semi-Limited

Cup of Ace yes i think this one is pretty good

From Unbanned To Limited

Spear Cretin hey one is destroyed the other is revived and with a card of safe return you can draw cards

Second Coin Toss A Very good card so it goes to limited

Fairy Box this one is really good i can say that it could go even banned

Ow man i forgot

From Limited To Unbanned

Cyber Dragon hey how we can summon cyber end if this is limited?


OK thats all i would like to hear to which changes you agree or disagree.

I don't see what the problem is with united we stand and mages power, the boost they give to monsters vary depending on the conditions and it's not like you can't get rid of them easily, they can stay where they are.

Monster reborn won't be banned unless premature burial and call of the haunted come back and I don't see that happening. first off with arms hole premature is easy to get into your hand and re-use and if it is removed from the field other than being destroyed the monster stays. with call of the haunted if you summon a jinzo call gets negated so even if its destroyed jinzo stays. and as it's a trap you can use it during your opponents turn. imagine forcing a stardust only for it to come right back to the field.

Only 3 decks I can think of run future fusion heroes, dragons and machines. Theres no point killing those three decks especially since they are not at the top of the meta. I would love Dmoc back but unfortunately i doubt it will happen, it was banned for a reason. change of heart is a costless brain control, which is limited, so that won't come back. I'll tell you why harpies feather duster won't come back, it is basicly a heavy storm, which is limited, with no negative drawback what so ever.--Chaos soldier 19:29, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Sept. 2009 List

Looking at the current format with all the explosive decks out there, many people want to see cards banned, limited and some returned from banned. Looking at it this way, after playing since the beginning on LON, I feel like the creators of this game are not trying very hard to keep it from breaking.

In the beginning, all you had was beatdown then IOC came out and we had Chaos; now, moving into today, we had Tele-DAD running amok to GBs and LS but DAD fell off the tier and BWs, and CAT to take its place.

But enough about that, time for my theories on the list.

Forbidden: Dark Strike Fighter - Obviously because it can end a game without having to attack once in a single game. i.e. Zombie Swarm


Limited: Rescue Cat - Have you played against a good cat deck that FTKs nearly all the time?

Summon Monk - If not cat then monk; I'm sure you're all sick of seeing Cold Wave, monk to monk to cat to dead.

Dark Hole - Why not? We have Heavy Storm which nukes our S/Ts so why not monsters too?

Graceful Charity - Let's flip the meta, I keep hearing Dark World is dependent on the ONE card so lets see it.

Judgment Dragon - They did it to DAD and JD is easier to summon and has a better effect mill or not



Semi-Limited: Honest - Because a card that can be used from the hand on either player's turn in B-R-O-K-E-N.

Plaguespreader Zombie - With LS decks getting hit, maybe zombies can come back from their graves.

Charge of the Light Brigade - Search a card then mill with Wulfs possibly coming to the field for a JD nuke...? No.

Reinforcements of the Army - Charges are at 3 so why not, its not all that bad.

Reasoning - Samurais can re-enter the game with a little bit more confidence.

Emergency Teleport - DAD is no longer what it used to be plus it will make the games outlook a lot different.

Gladiator Beast Bestari - GBs wont be so bad if cat was hit.



Not Limited:

Allure of Darkness - There is a big cost without any darks plus there is a cost when you DO have a dark.

Destiny Draw - Again, with malicious at 2, who cares if they draw? Like Allure, it has a cost and not a +1 like PoG.

Treeborn Frog - Have you read this card's effect? It couldn't hurt.


This is what I think and would like to see, a list that gives every deck a chance to be equal... kind of.

Warlord Frog 21:37, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

GB Bestiari still poses a problem of being reuseable S/T destruction, and a main component for Gyzarus. Best to tackle the Fusions at their base material. Also, I highly doubt Charge of the Light Brigade will hit the list unless the TCG side wants to do something about it, but we'll never know what Konami will come up with in EX pack 2... --Gadjiltron 15:04, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Fair

  • New to Forbidden:
Dark Strike Fighter
  • New to Limited:
Rescue Cat
Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
Charge of the Light Brigade
Pot of Greed
  • New to Semi-Limited
Caius the Shadow Monarch
Cyber Dragon Let's see what happens if we loosen it just a bit.
X-Saber Airbellum
Black Whirlwind
Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind
Icarus Attack

That should slow most of the powerful decks.Messengerofthedark 21:59, 19 July 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark

if wulf is semi-limited konami might as well semi-limit laquari.Same thing with airbellum might as well semi-limit krebons. Pot of greed i say no since it lets you draw 2 cards or +1 hand advantage. Icarus attack they should also semi-limit gyzarus to.I would add rota to that semi-limit list,charge would also be semi-limited along with honest.--Airbellum 01:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Let's face it. Gyzarus is never going to hit the banlist. There's no point putting Gyzarus in when its main component Bestiari can't even show up. --Gadjiltron 14:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Funny

In all LS how coul you say that wulf should be limited did you know that this card causes bad draw but gale in the otherhand should be limited cause he is a tuner and his effect is so annoyed..

Kaiser-kun 11:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Trust me, Limiting Pot of Greed will do NOTHING. It is like a Monster Reborn; It can go anywhere, and it is always useful. Here is my take on the new list:

Limited

MONSTERS:

Rescue Cat - No comment needed
Gale - This thing can take down Goyo. If it was semi-limited, it would be too easy to search with Whirlwind, etc.
Judgment Dragon - No comment needed
Honest - At 1, they will be easilly milled off
Dark Strike Fighter - I barely agree with this one, but it is too OTK prone

Semi-Limited

MONSTERS:

Cyber Dragon - Why limit it?
Kalut - Scary cards man...

SPELLS:

Charge of the Light Brigade - Same as Honest
ROTA - Not broken...

Not affected

MONSTERS:

Goblin Zombie - It is just an innocent searcher. Besides, it is not broken

I believe this is a fair list, please correct me if I am wrong. Usually, when people dislike a card or cards, they tend to over-react. There is no need to ban anything as of now. Blackwings aren't broken enough to take a punch in the face over this next ban list. X-Saber wont do anything if Rescue Cat is down to 1, and Caius was never too powerful to be used in threes. Sure, he is the best Monarch most of the time, but he is not overpowered. -bewk


  • Kaiser-Kun, Wulf is a big monster that is OTK prone. JD milling Wulf using things like Deep Diver and a Feather of the Phoenix is extremely powerful. Otherwise, pick a different LS, maybe Celestia? 207.118.149.59 17:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Ahem..

  • Seeing as everybody is biased here I don't see why not put some ideas in my OWN OPINION.
  • Possibly banned but PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN:
  • Me and my friend have been saying this card would be banned for ages because of its pretty godly effect.
  • Crush card Virus. - No need to explain, two card combo for possibly 3+ cards out of your opponents hand, field, and whatever they draw. Crazy good and probably should be banned (Definitely so with more weaker blackwings, and I run a blackwing deck! Crush card just puts too much chaos everywhere. I crush card you, you crush card me? Well...weak monster fight for three turns or so.)
  • Limited:
  • Dark Strike Fighter (Great card, abusable in any deck that can swarm, ANY DECK. Not just Blackwings and Synchro cat.)
  • Rescue Cat - Duh, One card combo for synchro? Bad, One card combo for GB with effect/two cards for gyzarus if you have a test tiger in hand, reaaaally bad. First one is worse.
  • JD - Lightsworns with two makes them have a really REALLY high chance of getting it in a draw or reincar'ing it.
  • Ally of Justice Catastor (I know it hasn't seen much play in the USA but it is a great card and I cannot see why you would NOT put in one in the extra deck just in case, killing everything except darks? Great!) - I could be wrong with this but I see it as a completely broken card for a 5 star synchro.
  • Tragoedia - Lots of controversy over this card, sadly I have not played a recent game with a person who was using this card but it has seen massive play in the OCG (Lots of them with Synchro cat decks). My personal stance on this is NEUTRAL but considering the massive abuse it could be limited. Though I don't see why since you need to keep a good amt of hand advantage to have it as a beatstick. Other than that the permanent control and level changing is nice for synchros, which is probably why people use him. In addition to him being a crush target with few cards in hand. I still think he is a good/ok card. I don't care what happens to him at all though XD.


  • Semi Limit:
  • Gale the Whirlwind - Blackwing's key card, having only two will slow them down enough but not kill them to the point of no return since it is way too hard to synchro without it. OH, and this guy CANNOT Take down Goyo, since half of Goyo's attack is 1400. Higher than 1300.
  • Honest - Maybe, its a great card and I think two is fair since they will either have two uses, one use, or no uses if the person mill's it. That and other Light based decks that aren't meta still use this card. Such as a blue eyes deck...or maybe a Neos based deck (Japan only since they have Wrath of neos).
  • Charge of the Light brigade - Speeds up LS quite a bit but not enough for a limit since with only two they will have a harder time drawing it. Same reasoning as Honest sort of in terms of drawing vs. Milling.
  • Reinforcement of the army - Seriously not too broken, that and searchable tuners is the only reason why I think this is limited. Tele-dad couldn't have relied on it enough to put more than two, you don't need it all the time.
  • Unlimited
  • Destiny draw - Malicious is at two, that is the main reason this card was good. Otherwise you would use this card with D Hero Dasher, but his effect is luck based and takes a turn to set up (unless you can send a plague and top deck a monster to make sure its effect goes through.)
  • And of course things I saw earlier and disagree a LOT with.
  • 1) Too many people saying pot of greed will be limited, has everybody forgotten what massive draw power has done to the game? Three allures, three D draw, Tele dad? Need I say more? And Pot of greed is the most broken draw card of all, replacing itself and giving a +1 in hand advantage. Effectively thinning the deck whenever you draw it (And you WILL play it soon after drawing it).
  • 2) Graceful charity - famous for replacing itself while dumping two cards in grave, with the amount of graveyard play this card would be VERY VERY DANGEROUS. Do not even think of removing it from banned.
  • 3) Cyber dragon at more than two, In truth...My friend said that if cyber dragon was ever back at two he would re create his cyber dragon deck which I remember he had fun with when three Cyber Drag's were allowed. However I understand their limitation as this card gives quick synchro fodder or just a plain beatstick out of nowhere. Unfortunately it is limited but for the right reasons. Good tribute fodder as well if you even use that at all.
  • 4) Icarus attack at any limitation - This card is not like Gyzarus ok? It destroys two but it tributes one Winged beast. In a blackwing deck, lessening the number of Blackwings on the field is usually a disadvantage. Also this card is a sp/tr, not a monster. It can be stopped much easier than Gyzarus can since its vulnerable to dark bribe, royal decree, trap stun, Solemn and so forth.
  • 5) Mind control at more than Semi. Reason being is that most decks have trouble even running one mind control since it only combos well with a tuner. And people usually have about 5 tuners in the deck on average. I also understand its a great card but many people would not run more than two because it is a dead draw without a tuner. (I have seen Synchro cat run three, but that's just one build. Avarice is more important to them.)
  • Well thats about it for now, again these are OPINIONS. Feel free to disagree/agree with me.--Takuma. 00:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Takuma posted correctly by saying they were his opinions xD... but to answer this part of the Catastor statement "I know it hasn't seen much play in the USA" it is because it hadn't been Massively Launched before, It isn't really Tournament Legal because it hadn't been released Massively and the only way to get it is if your lucky enough to know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody who knows the location of some of the few Duel Terminals, that really is the only way to get it in the TCG Marketplace, so if/when it is launched say in Booster Pack XYZ the #Q after Stardust Overdrive in the year 20YY then it would be allowed in the TCG Side of the Game.~MEOW~ Might of the BIRD Empire~~ 00:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Hoping for...

  • Dark Strike to be limited or banned.
  • Gale to get limited to one.
  • I agree, Cyber Dragon to two or back to three
  • Tradoedia, one.
  • Casator, ONE!
  • Cyber Valley, maybe two.

That's all my hopes. Vehicroidsrage 03:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

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