Forum:Red-Eyesworns-- Please add Suggestions!

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This deck was made for the user who asked for a combination between the Red-Eyes and the Lightsworns. This build was made in about 20 minutes, so I really need suggestions. There are barely enough Lightsworns to summon Judgement Dragon, and not enough big Dragons to summon with Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon. Please add comments!

This deck currently has 42 cards, and is still untested. I am actually afraid to test it, because I am worried about how bad it would run, but here is the general strategy of the deck:

My Lightsworns take the first charge, starting out my first few turns by milling some big dragons. Once the graveyard is nice and full, Judgement Dragon, Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon and my other large beatsticks take the field, and when necessary, I try to set up a back-up plan with Return from the Different Dimension and D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation. Please add suggestions on my Red-eyes/Lightsworn deck!!!--Black Rose 01:05, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

  • Hmm...Tyrant Dragon might make a nice addition to the deck, as with a few Masked Dragons to summon your high-level dragons as fast as possible.--MrD

Hmm.... I might add in a Masked Dragon or two, but what to take out?--Black Rose 01:18, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

  • Decoy and Infernal. I've tried those before in other decks and they just aren't as worth it. If Decoy Dragon's on the field while you have a dragon in the graveyard that it can summon, what are the odds your opponent will attack it? (unless they've got a plan) Anyway, at least 2 Masked Dragons will do. --Bluedog (Talk) 01:23, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I knew Infernal had to go, and I can live with Decoy gone, but now what will I summon with my Masked Dragons, other than the small little Red-Eyes B. Chick?--Black Rose 01:25, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

  • Another Masked Dragon. Let your opponent attack one, summon another, and if they attack that one, summon another (if you decide to go with three) or Chick. Then from there, you could summon REBD or REDMD (if you have them in your hand). --Blue (Talk) 01:28, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I guess you're right. Since they're not Dark, I can live with getting rid of them for REDMD's removal cost. So I'll go with 3 Masked Dragons then, now what do you think of the Spell lineup?--Black Rose 01:30, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

  • It looks good, but I'm really just familiar with Red-Eyes decks, so I can't be sure about what spells are necessary for Lightsworns. Perhaps you could remove one Burial from a Different Dimension? Just one can do the job in most cases, especially since you have DDR and Return from the Different Dimension. --Blue (Talk) 01:37, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I removed a single Burial, and my single Allure, since the Masked Dragons are Fire. I replaced them with two copies of Monster Reincarnation, since I think this will help get the monsters I need to be in the Graveyard to their proper place, along with the milled cards that I need in my hand. Comments?--Black Rose 01:43, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Red-Eyes Black Chick should not be in there. You could replace that with something like White Night Dragon, etc. Runer5h 02:02, November 4, 2009 (UTC)Runer5h

I love White Night Dragon, but I just don't think it fits with the Red-Eyes part of the deck as much. I'm thinking of putting in a Van'Dalgyon the Dark Dragon Lord instead, but I'm still having a problem with lvl 4 and under DARK Dragons....--Black Rose 02:07, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

  • Apart from Infernal Dragon and Rare Metal Dragon, there aren't too many of those in the TCG. Chick should stay, since as far as Level 4 or lower Dark Dragons go, it's the one that makes the most sense in this deck. --Blue (Talk) 02:41, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
  • From my experiences with dragon decks, I liked Dragon's Rage the best (It's a continuous trap card too!), although Stamping Destruction is worth a look as well.--MrD

Just a few thoughts...

In looking at typical Twilight decks, it appears they emphasize the Lightsworns more than the other cards (yes, I'm the troublemaker that started this idea). So you may want to de-emphasize the dragons, and up the Light sworns more. Here's what I've been playing with (and it's only a start):

This is by no means complete! I just threw in spells/traps common in Twilight decks, and the monsters could be tweaked some more. Still, I thought it might give you ideas. Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon could summon out Judgment Dragon after all, if the conditions were met, right? Blizzard Dragon could be substituted for something else - maybe Debris Dragon to give you extra Synchro power.

This is getting fun !

Kungfu-mama 03:09, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. JD is Nomi, not Semi-Nomi, so it can only be summoned in the way that it says. But listen up, everyone... it's so obvious, and so brilliant! What's the LS card that is a non-nomi dragon? Gragonith, Lightsworn Dragon! I think its buff effect could be very helpful, and it would combo well with Future Fusion.
As for Kung-Fu's idea, Pot of Avarice and DDR should be removed. You'll probably want a Burial from a Different Dimension or 2 instead. Also, if you use some Monster Reincarnations, you can combo them with Future Fusion to instantly get your hands on a copy of JD. Also, Rinyan should be exorcised from this deck - I'd replace it with 2 Gragonith and a Garoth. Runer5h 03:38, November 4, 2009 (UTC)Runer5h

You mean, even if I have 4 or more "Lightsworn" monsters with different names in my Graveyard, Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon can't special summon Judgment Dragon!?! I'd have never guessed that.

I was wondering about Gragonith, Lightsworn Dragon, especially as I never saw him in any of the Twilight builds. I was also thinking that maybe adding Shire, Lightsworn Spirit might be a nice touch. With the same effect as Gragonith, she sure seems like she could become a major beatstick. And I still would like to get a Shiny Black "C" in there somewhere! Of course, that's just me ;-)

So, just to be clear - you wouldn't substitute 2 Gragonith for JD, but for Rinyan (along with a Garoth)? And, if we're keeping JD, would you keep 2 or cut it down to 1?

Kungfu-mama 05:01, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Update: I took the liberty of folding in Runer's suggestions into the above build. One thing I'm wondering about is the number of high-level monsters. Shouldn't there be something to dump these out of your hand in case you need to? And is Blizzard Dragon really the best choice here?
Kungfu-mama 11:31, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I would replace the Rinyans with the suggested cards. This is just my opinion, but I would probably bring JD down to 1. I my experiences with Lightsworns, I actually ended up liking Gargonith more than Judgement Dragon, and his piercing effect is awesome. If you do bring JD down to one, you could probably replace it with something Darkness Metal can summon, like Darkblaze Dragon. I know he's fire, but his effect is worth abusing when he hits the field. Lordofdecoydragons 11:37, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Made the changes suggested by Lord of Decoy Dragons.
BTW, Akiza, I REALLY like your deck. I've always been a sucker for Red-Eyes.
Kungfu-mama 18:45, November 4, 2009 (UTC)


Wow, I really love that this is getting a lot of attention. Here are the changes I've made so far, based on everyone's suggestions.

This is what I ended up with. I added 2 Solar Recharges, and I think I have enough fuel for them. I also took out one JD, since with 2 Monster Reincarnations and two Beckoning Lights, I can reuse the same JD over and over. I took out one Lyla and the Ehren to put in 2 copies of Gragonith, Lightsworn Dragon, since he combos so well with Future Fusion, and is an excellent target for REDMD. Keep up the flood of comments on this new version!--Black Rose 12:55, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused about the inclusion of Masked Dragon. It can only summon itself, after all, so maybe you'd want to replace it with White-Horned Dragon? It's DARK, it gets very strong, very easily, and works very well in general - although you may only want one. The other two slots could be filled with something like Axe Dragonute, if you're willing to use OCG cards - otherwise, Blizzard Dragon might yet be useful. Dragon's Mirror is also a bit odd to me, because the point of Future Fusion isn't to actually summon Five-God Dragon (I always use that name - I like it better); it's just to dump the monsters into your grave. If you DO manage to summon it, so much the better, but it's not always worth removing those monsters - yes, you could win the game if you had that and Return set, but that won't happen very often, and you have plenty of removal already. Meanwhile, you should use some Allures of Darkness for removal purposes and draw power. You may also want those staples of Twilight, Chaos Sorcerer and Phantom of Chaos. Both are valid Allure targets, they set up for DDR and Return, and the former can remove a big annoyance like Stardust, while the latter can copy REDMD to start swarming, or JD to nuke, or even Lumina/Lyla/whatever you need.
Honestly, my vision for this deck is something that could, say, SS JD and nuke, normal summon Red-Eyes Wyvern/another normal-summonable dragon, remove it from the field to SS REDMD, and then special summon Gragonith or White-Horned Dragon (or even Red-Eyes Black Dragon!) for an OTK. Meanwhile, the deck would be able to pull off the tricks of LS - nuking with JD, easy Wulf summons, Lumina swarms, draw power - and at the same time do what dragons do best - beatdown beatdown beatdown. Runer5h 20:32, November 4, 2009 (UTC)Runer5h

Thanks Runer, you're suggestions always make things better. I took out all 3 Masked Dragons, and replaced them with 2 Dragonutes, and a Chaos Sorcerer. I changed the Spells up a bit, dropping an Arms hold and a Dragon's Mirror to put in two Allures. Hopefully this gives the deck more speed. I also added back in the second Burial, with all of the removal going on. Any more comments are welcome!--Black Rose 21:13, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Everyone please consider the type of cards that you want to mash together: Red-Eyes Darkness Metal and LightSworn. The Dragons that need to be taken into consideration are

Question ??

I'm a noob (of course), but are you allowed to use OCG cards in tournament duels? Or are they strictly just a Duel Terminal/online dueling thing? Kungfu-mama 21:41, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I don't think BlackRose is planning on taking this to tournaments. It's way expensive (it uses REDMD and Lightsworns...), and now uses OCG cards.
As for more comments about the deck itself, it technically doesn't make much sense anymore to continue to use REBD. You can keep it in, but unfortunately that's true. Aside from that, I think your should proxy the deck and test it yourself to see what could be done. Runer5h 21:52, November 4, 2009 (UTC)Runer5h
Akiza, could you let us know how the deck tests out? I'd be really curious. Thanks much.

Kungfu-mama 23:26, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Runer: I guess you're right... maybe I should swap those two REBD's with a couple of Dark Horus? It's a good target for both Allure and REDMD. And I will proxy the deck when I get the time, and I'll tell everyone how it worked. --Black Rose 23:36, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Nah. You don't actually have any level 4 DARK monsters in the deck. How about those White-Horned Dragons I mentioned? They're good for both of the same things and can actually get bigger than Horus, but more importantly it won't be as much of a dead draw - only one tribute as opposed to two. You could also use Prime Material Dragon, but maybe you'd want more access to those Allures... either way. Runer5h 00:20, November 5, 2009 (UTC)Runer5h

Actually, Dark Horus can bring back those Axe Dragonutes I put in. But White Horned Dragon sounds good too....--Black Rose 00:30, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'm officially a moron. (facepalm) I'd use one of each, then. Runer5h 00:33, November 5, 2009 (UTC)Runer5h

I added in a single Dark Horus and a White Horned Dragon. I also dropped a single Beckoning Light because I am only running a single JD, and other than that there isn't much I need to bring back with Beckoning. To replace it I added a Heavy Storm, but I can get rid of that for something else. Any suggestions?--Black Rose 01:08, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Well, while I'm not the veteran you all are, I can tell you what I've seen in other Twilight/ LS builds other than the staples. For spells, I've seen things like Cold Wave, Brain Control, and Gold Sarcophagus. Occasionally with traps I see Solemn Judgement. Blasting the Ruins seems pretty fun too, though I don't think it'll work here. You'll know if any of these will help, I'm sure.
I was also wondering about the card Honest (bear with me, I'm still learning). I see it in most Twilight builds, and it seems like a great way to power up a Lightsworn. Still, you're relying on your dragons for muscle, so it might not work here?

Kungfu-mama 14:55, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

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