Forum:What the heck? 2 Number 39s?!

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So, guys, the worst possible plot hole has occured in Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL. We have 2 Number 39s. And I'm not talking about 2 copies of the "Number 39: Utopia" card. No, we actually have 2 different "Number 39" monsters! "Number 39: Utopia" and "Number 39: Utopia Roots". Before you go asking, "Utopia Roots" isn't supposed to be a "Number C". It was confirmed in this months WSJ that "Utopia Roots" is also "Number 39"! Like, what in the actual hell?!Over-HundredLegendaryChaosShiningNumbers (talkcontribs) 02:27, September 12, 2013 (UTC)


How is this a plot hole exactly? I mean more than likely it gonna be created in the duel with Eliphas, so it's really no different than a Choas number, just without the C in its name. and if you can think of utopia as a "person", then all versions of the monster are still that same "person". Stop getting worked up over nothingF8lfire (talkcontribs) 02:35, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

It's basically Utopia's "baby" form, nothing really special. --Dark Ace SP (Talk) 03:02, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

I think that MAYBE Utopia Roots is simply NOT a Chaos Xyz Change verion of Utopia. It is a Rank-Down Xyz Change version of it. That's why it is not a NumberC.

Also I don't think that, in order to collect all 100 Numbers, one has to obtain Utopia Roots at all. The original Number 39 is Utopia. No one else.

And I dont think it's a plot hole either... I mean, there are several well paid writers for Zexal... I dont think they dont know what they're doing... Most probably the situation will be 100% clear after the next episode. Yano88 (talkcontribs) 05:46, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Is the concept of several incarnations of the same card really that outlandish? --Eps01 (talkcontribs) 08:26, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

ITs basically an upgraded form like the others, but without that Power of Chaos they've been mentioning, so its a Chaos number, without the Chaos....i think something like "Awakened Number" would work best (makes me wonder what the Shining Numbers are). no Chaos power, no "C" in the name. probably why its appearence didnt change much and its effect is literally a straight upgrade. also why the New Orders arent Chaos xyzsDreadKaiser (talkcontribs) 20:56, September 13, 2013 (UTC)