Forum:Wisel Scraps ~~ Akiza

For those of you that haven't heard... the Infinity monsters are coming out as real cards! Not as the five-monster masterpieces that the Infinity Trio use, but as whole versions, all packed into a single powerhouse card. The only one who's effect has been mentioned so far is Wisel, but that's enough for me to build a deck around. Presenting... Infinity Scraps!

Since Wisel's Summon requirement is for a monster on my field to be destroyed via card effect, I figured Scraps would be the perfect way to bring him to the field. The second that face-up Scrap Goblin is attacked... (well, at the end of the Battle Phase..) BAM! Machine Emperor Wisel Infinity is on-field, and ready to steal Synchros, and even negate Spell Cards for free! Let's see the lineup.

I've obviously got the Machine Emperor here, since he's the star of the deck. His effect hasn't been confirmed yet, but i'll edit the deck if something changes, or when the next Emperors' effects are announced. Scrap Goblin has the aforementioned ability to bring out Wisel, but he also does other things. He can stall, act as a Level 3 Tuner, bring back other Scraps.... he's basically a toolbox in himself! Chimera is an amazing Scrap in that it brings back any Scrap Tuner when Normal Summoned. This means Goblin for a Level 7, or Beast for a Level 8. He and Goblin almost make a loop in themselves. Scrap Beast is a Level 4 Tuner with no restrictions, but it has the two generic Scrap Tuner effects of being killed when attacked in Defense Mode and bringing back a Scrap when killed by one of his own. Very nice for bringinging out Scrap Dragon. Golem can bring back a Level 4 or lower Scrap from the Graveyard to either player's field, which means Golem + Goblin = Level 8, or Golem + Beast = Level 9. He also has a nifty combo of bringing the Scrap Searcher from my Graveyard to the opponent's field, for a complete wipe of all of their non-Scraps! Devestating, at the very least. Searcher also can come back as soon as another Scrap is destroyed, but i'll be wary to not use that while Wisel is out. Lastly, Sangan and Giant Rat search and thin the deck.

The Machine Emperors even got their own Field Spell! It's called Imperial Machine Castle, and it protects my Emperor from the likes of Brionac, Trishula, and Junk Destroyer. It even triggers when it's destroyed, searching out Wisel! It's a great target for Scrap Dragon's destruction effect. Scrap Area can toolbox for either Scrap Goblin or Beast, and Scrapshoot is a handy Quick-play that kills one of my Scraps, mills one from the deck to be revived, and gives me a draw. Very handy. Scrap Oil Zone allows me a revival at the cost of my Battle Phase and the effect of the monster, but if they happen to kill the link keeping my monster alive.. out comes Wisel! Heavy Storm and Mystical Space Typhoon clear the field and can trigger my Castle, while Monster Reincarnation allows the discarding of a Scrap Monster, to bring back Wisel. Creature Swap is also very handy, giving my opponent Defense Position Scrap Tuners, or even Synchros to steal with my Machine Emperor!

Waboku protects my Emperor from battle, considering he's vulnerable to Synchros during my opponent's turn. Bottomless Trap Hole kills any Synchro or big monster when Wisel isn't around, and Torrential can clear the field, allow my key card to be Summoned, and activate the effects of my Scraps.

Please give me suggestions on how to improve this deck!Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 00:03, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

So cool - Wisel Scraps seems like it would work very well. However, Rat can only search Scrap Goblin or Scrap Searcher, both of which have depressingly low ATK scores. And in the case of Scrap Goblin, it's the last thing you'd want in ATK. Runer5h (talk • contribs) 04:34, July 29, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

You stole my idea! Just kidding, though I did really want to make a Deck around an Emperor (or all three). I really can't suggest anything more than basic monster removal traps, like Mirror Force or Tragedy. I think scraps would be the perfect archetype to support Wisel. Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 04:44, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Tragedy? As for Giant Rat, yes, I see your point. I'm removing both Giant Rats for a Terraforming and a Mirror Force.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 05:18, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah! Tragedy is Red Dragon Archfiend in a Trap. I need not go on.

Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 05:40, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

I'd rather spend my time bringing out Scrap Dragon and Scrap Twin Dragon than RDA. They have their own revival loop, and can come back stronger than when they left.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 05:46, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

One thing I don't get...HOW CAN WISEL BE LEVEL 1 WITH AN ATK POWER OF 2500 AND AN EFFECT AS POWERFUL AS NEGATING SPELLS FOR FREE??? If Wisel negates spells, Skiel might negate traps, and Grannel might negate effects...You could really build a powerful deck out of the Machine Emperors.

because wisel infinity was level 1 in the anime. but they decided to put wisel infinity in the card game as his complete form, hence the 2500 atk and def

You don't seem to use too much traps...what if you throw in a Royal Decree/Jinzo, or even multiple copies of them? If that negates your own traps, use protective quick plays, like Book of Moon/Book of Eclipse (Book of Moon more recommended). Then you could create a lock deck similar to the Horus Decree Lock.

Reflect Bounder.Raventheblack (talk • contribs) 18:19, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

For starters: Each Machine Emperor is Level 1, because they have been designed as "Synchro Killers". Basically, they hate anything to do with Synchro Monsters, and being Level 1 doesn't get much more anti-Synchro than that.

I don't see the point of Reflect Bounder. This isn't a Burn deck, and I'd rather spend my time Normal Summoning Chimera to get his effect and bring back Beast. A Scrap Dragon through Normal Summoning is much more effective than a 1700 monster that dies after it's been attacked. He's hardly even reusable, and has no self-protection like my Scrap Monsters.

As for Royal Decree, the Traps are quite necessary. Wisel is relatively weak in battle when he's not stealing a Synchro, and Waboku can lure my opponent into thinking that their Synchro will kill Wisel before my turn starts. They'll be sorely dissapointed. Torrential Tribute can clear the field and bring out the Machine Emperor instantly, and Bottomless Trap Hole is a general staple that would net me more advantage than Decree.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 19:03, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Use Book of Moon on their Synchro Monster. As for Wisel not dying, use Half Shut on himself, preferably when he's in defense mode. And anyway, Torrential Tribute is more of a staple than Bottomless is. Both can be negated by Stardust himself. Either way, I don't see why two Bottomless Trap Holes are necessary. Oh, and I hope you realize that Wisel is perfectly capable of being affected by a Sakuretsu Armor, Bottomless Trap Hole, Mirror Force, Torrential Tribute, and the like. That's why a Royal Decree/Jinzo would be helpful...hey what about Limiter Removal? If you use that, you could also use Jinzo since he's also a machine.

Ok forget Limiter Removal. None of the Scrap Monsters are Machines like they're supposed to be.

Protection? Level Limit - Area B and/or Gravity Bind. And maybe Level Limit Area A for more damage.

Using Book of Moon on an opponent's Synchro Monster prevents me from stealing it with the Emperor. I don't mind if my opponent has Stardust out, as Scrap Dragon can run over it, and Wisel can steal it. As for Wisel being killed by Sakuretsu and Mirror Force, you're right that I can't protect him. However, that doesn't mean that I don't have another Emperor in-hand waiting to replace the previous one! Waboku works just fine for Battle protection right now, and it stops Kaluts and Honests as well.

EDIT: I've actually found a use for Pot of Avarice in the deck. Scrap Monsters may not like being returned to the deck, but I've noted I have the potential to go through ALL of my Scrap Dragons and Twin Dragons in a single duel. Pot of Avarice helps me refill my Extra Deck quite nicely, and can bring back Wisel. If i'm lucky, I could return 5 Synchros through Pot, and it would basically be a Pot of Greed. A single Monster Reincarnation is leaving, along with Mirror Force to make the deck 40 cards. I figure that Scrap Goblin can efficiently protect my LP enough.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 22:26, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Reflect Bounder was suggested because of his self-destruct ability, which I don't see as very bad. Royal Decree isn't bad either, as scraps/Wisel aren't protected from traps. Drew-Gi-Oh! (talk • contribs) 05:31, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Drew-Gi-Oh!:My point exactly for Royal Decree. Just use Level Limit Area B for protection.

What does wisel even do?

That destroy= summon thing was fake so now what?--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 15:18, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'm honestly not sure. I suppose i'll just wait it out and see what the future brings. If the effect and Summoning requirements are reasonably the same, then i'll keep the deck and edit accordingly. If the requirements end up being changed too much... I suppose i'll just build a new deck. I'm determined to build around this thing.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 16:02, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

You said Wisel's weak in battle? Just use a Mage Power! Simple! Anyway, Mage Power is splashable in almost any deck, and can give a dramatic power boost as well.

"If the effect and Summoning requirements are reasonably the same"? Sorry, but your hopes are Too high. Get ready to change. i want to make a deck for him to, but if his effect stays the same, i'd just throw 3 in each of my machine decks.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 16:16, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Helix:If you deck more than one different Machine Emperor and bring at least two out, you won't be able to attack. So it's best just to build a deck(s) around just one of the Machine Emperors. Akiza:If the destroy=summon thing is really fake, use One for One to bring out Wisel relatively quickly.

1, I wouldn't summon the second and 2,The ENTIRE effect was fake, the real effect it has might not make him usable, that is where I have a problem.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 17:43, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well i'm assuming that the original information that I had based the deck off of had to come from somewhere, and that it wasn't randomly created from a poster's imagination. I'm fine with making another deck, but there is still a chance that it'll only be a minor change.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 16:22, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

"it wasn't randomly created from a poster's imagination.", Sorry to bust your bubble... again, but... We're kind of on the INTERNET. that kind of stuff happens every minute. If it's any consolation, your deck would have kicked ass.--Helix-king (talk • contribs) 17:43, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. But the original poster of the effect was a regular member of Shriek who had posted previous card effects. Therefore, he could've just jumped the gun himself and posted it before it was confirmed...--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 17:54, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

UPDATE: It looks like Wisel's effect has been, well, not confirmed, but there is enough information on it to write down the effect as it was before! Hopefully it will be confirmed as it is now, and the deck will still be useable.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 01:01, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

SUPER UPDATE Wisel's effect has been confirmed, and it's still the same as when I created the deck! Imperial Machine Castle hasn't been offialized yet, but i'm still ecstatic about the Machine Emperor.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 05:14, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

As for edits to the deck, i've decided to include Treeborn Frog. I can usually drag it back to the field each turn, to abuse it with my Dragons or as Tribute Fodder for the Golem.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 05:16, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, God, they kept the effect, well, time for this to PWN faces. :\ --Helix-king (talk • contribs) 13:26, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the deck is pretty great so far. No other improvements that I can think of. Runer5h (talk • contribs) 16:23, August 9, 2010 (UTC)Runer5h

AWESOME DECK!!!!!!!! I cant wait for the tcg releases of these cards, when they're released over here, this is going to dominate!!!

What are you going to take out for Grannel Infinity? Its effect was confirmed recently.

WOAH!!! I didn't see that Grannel was confirmed! I'm loving his effect, and he's completely devastating early-on in the game. Half of my LP equaling his ATK/DEF, PLUS the ability to practically Change of Heart Synchro Monsters! Oh, and (possibly) the best part is that you can attack with other monsters even if he's on the field, unlike Wisel. I'm definately adding in one, at the removal of Treeborn Frog.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 19:34, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Wait a minute, don't the Machine Emperors suffer from a form of missing the timing with Scraps? --Gadjiltron (talk • contribs) 11:34, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

there is no missing the timing. Since most scrap cards have optional trigger effects when others are destroyed themselfes they and their support are built to have the destruction as the last thing occour or at least simultanously with their other effects. If Infinity would miss the timing every scrap monster would miss the timing and there would be no point in that kind of deck ;) -dest- (talk • contribs) 11:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Aki, have you seen the new banlist? It's pretty awesome for dark hole and monster reborn being limited.Wynnda (talk • contribs) 13:11, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

no point of havin 3 wisels coz if 2s on the field neither of them can attack due to its own effect Enternal Evoluton Burst (talk • contribs) 22:02, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Did you check Skiel's effect yet?76.250.226.248 (talk) 01:24, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, although I don't think I'll be including Skiel. It's the weakest of the trio (normally), and the effect isn't that great. It restricts my other monsters from attacking like Wisel, and the direct attack is mediocre at best.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 02:06, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

agreed. direct attack at a cost of the equipped synchro isnt that nice and without the equipped monster its attack is pretty low Enternal Evoluton Burst (talk • contribs) 17:16, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Right. As for your previous comment, there's very much a point to having 3 Wisel in the deck. There's a higher chance of drawing it to my hand, and they can replace each other if destroyed by card effects. I'm obviously not going to choose to Summon both at once, or to Summon one while the other is on the field.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 19:38, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you could add a Thunder Crash for killing your own monsters, dealing damage to your opponent and getting out a Machine Emporer? And a Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys, because then you could blow it up and get out a machine emporer, and the Phoenix would come back next turn, and clear the spells and traps. And if any of them were yours, you can get out another machine emporer! Kwame120 (talk • contribs) 20:03, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

If I wanted to include Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys, I would most likely have to include Hand of Nephthys for an easy Summon. That would probably lead to a whole different deck. As for Thunder Crash, i've found Scrap Dragon, Scrapstorm, and Scrap Goblin have been efficient enough at killing my own monsters. My opponent's Lightning Vortex and Dark Hole will help as well.--Akiza Izayoi (talk • contribs) 23:10, August 19, 2010 (UTC)