Talk:D/D/D Destiny King Zero Laplace (manga)
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Stat values from non-manga card[edit]
Hum, I don't think it makes much sense to use the stats coming from the OCG/TCG. If the info wasn't revealed in the manga, then it wasn't revealed and we don't know it, regarding the manga. Becasita Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:24, March 17, 2017 (UTC)
- We always do that. When anime/manga cards are released, in 90% of cases they keep the same stats (cases where they are changed are really really rare). They don't change the stats of cards upon release. It's very safe to assume that those are the oficial stats of the card, and I don't see any reason not to use them. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 13:46, March 18, 2017 (UTC)
- Saying "We always do that" doesn't make it correct. Saying "in 90% of cases they keep the same stats" means they not always have the same stats; so what makes it so sure? Also, you say it's safe to assume those are the official stats. I'd like to avoid assuming stuff and just use the facts, in this case.
- The thing is, from my point of view, this article is about the manga card. We don't know its DEF/Type/Attribute in the manga. We know it in the OCG. I think we just should confine the article to its medium info. There are even separate articles for different mediums; it's about another thing. Becasita Pendulum (talk • contribs) 20:35, March 18, 2017 (UTC)
- We have separate anime/manga articles because the cards have different effects in the different mediums, not different stats. The cases of changed stats are, again, /extremely/ rare, and CMIIW but the last case happened way back in the GX era, meaning that we've been having unchanged stats for three whole eras now. Those rare cases are the exception, not the rule. We are not speculating stats here, those are official stats shown in the OCG version of the cards, that's different from a simple assumption. It's not as if we did like "well, so far this character used two monsters with 0 DEF, and a third monster whose DEF wasn't shown, so let's just assume that it has 0 DEF too". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:46, March 19, 2017 (UTC)
- Personally, I find value in distinguishing between what was actually revealed in the original medium, and what was added in the OCG. So if a card was never given a type in the manga, but is released in the OCG (and so has a type), I would rather keep the type off of the manga page. --SnorlaxMonster 02:20, March 19, 2017 (UTC)
- We have separate anime/manga articles because the cards have different effects in the different mediums, not different stats. The cases of changed stats are, again, /extremely/ rare, and CMIIW but the last case happened way back in the GX era, meaning that we've been having unchanged stats for three whole eras now. Those rare cases are the exception, not the rule. We are not speculating stats here, those are official stats shown in the OCG version of the cards, that's different from a simple assumption. It's not as if we did like "well, so far this character used two monsters with 0 DEF, and a third monster whose DEF wasn't shown, so let's just assume that it has 0 DEF too". LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 00:46, March 19, 2017 (UTC)
- LAU, they weren't split because they had different effects. They were split because they cover a different version of the monster. If we have them split by medium, it makes sense to list what each medium gives us, no? Would you also say that, if we know a manga card will be released in a set, in the future, it would make sense to use the info we have on that manga card (bar the effect) on the article about the OCG/TCG card? It doesn't make sense. We should use the info we have. I'm checking a manga card and I see the Type was unknown, they never reveled it. If only interested in the manga, I don't care about extrapolations from the other versions of the card, whether they come from the OCG/TCG, the video games, the anime, etc., I just care about how the card was, in the manga. If I do want to know more, then I'll check the other versions of the card.
- I'm not on par with the manga, but did they say this card is not a Pendulum Monster? Because if they didn't, then shouldn't we assume it's a Pendulum Monster as well? Becasita Pendulum (talk • contribs) 02:46, March 19, 2017 (UTC)
- I was actually around when we decided to create separate manga/anime articles (back then, I was the only guy who was updating the articles with the latest 5D's manga news), and I can assure you that those were born because of the different effects (or, in some cases, monsters being vanillas in the manga and gaining effects in the OCG/TCG). Like I said, the cases of stat changes upon releases are like, 1 in 100, it by far isn't something big enough to require separate articles. But eh, personally, I really prefer to have as much info on the articles as we have available, and since the unknown stats/Types/Attributes are revealed in the OCG, that's available info too, but if everyone else disagrees, there's no much I can do. I'll try to contact Cheesedude or Deltaneous to check out their opinions, and I'll take their decision as official, I guess.
- And tbh, I was willing to list "Laplace" as a Pendulum Monster even before it was released. It's just /too/ likely that it is one. Manga!Reiji is a full Pendulum user with a deck fully centered on Pendulum Summon, it just makes sense that all his monsters are Pendulums. I just didn't add it because it lacked official confirmation and thus it'd be the same as speculation, but since the card was released as a Pendulum, now I'm officially dying to list him as a Pendulum as well. XD LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 14:24, March 19, 2017 (UTC)
