Talk:Extra Monster Zone
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Can you Summon a monster in the left Extra Monster Zone by using the monster in the right Zone as Material? You'd still only control one of the Zones. KiraraKidohara (talk • contribs) 00:33, January 17, 2018 (UTC)
Sorry. I just thought the article could make this ruling a little more clear, since me and my friends weren't sure based on the current wording in the article. Which is why I brought it up in the Talk Page, instead. It's this line in particular that's confusing "If a player already controls a monster in one Extra Monster Zone, they cannot Summon a monster in the other Extra Monster Zone unless there is an Extra Link to the other Extra Monster Zone." I think it could be worded better... Thank you for the answer, though! KiraraKidohara (talk • contribs) 05:17, January 17, 2018 (UTC)
You can't use your opponent's monsters as material for anything, or a Tribute Summon for that matter unless the card specifically says so. --MasterMarik (talk • contribs) 15:08, January 17, 2018 (UTC)
I understand that. I was talking about using your own monster as a Material, but Summoning in the opposite unoccupied Extra Monster Zone. The article makes it sound like you can't do that. KiraraKidohara (talk • contribs) 02:08, January 18, 2018 (UTC)
- That article is talking about a situation when there's already a Link Monster in the Extra Monster Zone that points to the unoccupied Extra Monster Zone , they're not allowed to put a Link Monster there. It has nothing to do with what you're saying. That is viable because you're opening up both. There's no rule that says you have to pick one and can't change to the other one (assuming both are unoccupied for when you Special Summon your new monster). --MasterMarik (talk • contribs) 12:39, January 18, 2018 (UTC)
The article still could be clearer. It literally says that you cannot Summon a monster in the opposite Extra Monster Zone if you already control a monster in the other Extra Monster Zone, unless you perform an Extra Link, which is factually incorrect. You can perform the Summon, as long as you are using the monster in your Extra Monster Zone as Material. Yet, the article says that you cannot, based on its current wording. It doesn't matter that you know the ruling, the article has it worded in a way that contradicts said ruling. KiraraKidohara (talk • contribs) 02:20, January 19, 2018 (UTC)
- Um what you're saying and what you're countering aren't the same thing. What is said in the article about Link Summoning to the other Extra Monster Zone is exactly what is written here:
https://yugiohblog.konami.com/articles/?p=8355 Your suggestion about sending a Link Monster to the Grave to be in the other one, while true, is rather pointless. What benefit could you have in Link Summoning using another Link Monster in one zone just to put it in the other zone? It's wasted effort.--MasterMarik (talk • contribs) 03:03, January 19, 2018 (UTC)
- After answering, I did look at the article and agree with MasterMarik - the article is sufficient and doesn’t suggest you can’t. The logic being as I explained before: Materials are sent to the GY (or equivalent) before the monster is summoned. So in your scenario...
- The right EMZ is used, FIRSTLY you send that monster to the GY as material (now neither Extra Monster Zone belongs to a player), SECONDLY you summon (and choose the zone) for the monster you wanted to summon. Because at the time of summon neither zone is used, you CAN swap zones. Materials going’s to GY before summoning, are why cards like "Peten" miss timing when tributes or used as material for a summon.
- Kind regards, GoldenDragonRider (talk • contribs) 03:37, January 19, 2018 (UTC)
In response to why: There are several card effects that relate to card placement now. It could be useful to Summon an extra copy of a Link 1 monster in the other Zone to move it out of the way of a card effect, or to give yourself new linked Zones if you've already Summoned in your existing one(s). And, fine. I'll drop it. I understand the logic, but I stand by my point that the wording is poor and could be made slightly better, but I accept that I will never change any of your minds, and I'll leave the article as is. And, you can delete this Talk Page, along with any evidence that anyone ever suggested the article wasn't perfectly flawless. I give up. I'm obviously wrong. Goodbye. KiraraKidohara (talk • contribs) 04:12, January 19, 2018 (UTC)
- I have edited the wording slightly to leave a slightly more flexible interpretation while still remaining strictly true to gameplay mechanics without being redundant. I believe Kirara's arguments hold some merit; just shifting to the other Extra Monster Zone in order to free up some link arrows for additional special summons would be reason enough to make the switch, and can certainly be a bit simpler than making a chain of three link monsters in the right scenario. And honestly the way it used to be worded could definitely be misinterpreted by more literal minded people. I see the change as worth making, with a completely trivial amount of effort. Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk) 05:31, January 19, 2018 (UTC)
I'm sorry about my earlier outburst. I was having a bad day and felt ganged up on and as if I was trying to be silenced by my concerns being deleted. That doesn't excuse the fact that I acted very poorly though, and I do apologize to both of you. And, thank you, Aeron Solo. I understand the redundancy concern, and I think your edit is satisfying, without being redundant. Thank you for understanding my concerns and cheering me up in the process. :) KiraraKidohara (talk • contribs) 05:51, January 19, 2018 (UTC)
- Hey, I hope I didn’t make you feel ganged up on. I meant no disrespect, I simply disagreed on it being necessary to change the article. Sorry if I made you feel that way. :) Kind regards, GoldenDragonRider (talk • contribs) 11:04, January 19, 2018 (UTC)
