Talk:Heraldic

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Heraldry = Crest

um, we already have a word for this. it's called Crest, but for an archetype, i'm not so sure whether we should leave or merge. 24.83.215.20 (talk) 01:45, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Really? no comments at all? 24.83.215.20 (talk) 20:07, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, merging is not an option. This archetype is a series of cards, the Crests used by the Tron family are weird powers. However, I didn't note they had the same name. As far as I remember, the Crests' name wasn't shown, but spoken. Maybe they have different writing, but we can't know that by now. So I'd suggest to, at least for now, change the archetype's name to Crest, or make any other change which would let both with the same name. Besides all, the Crests' origin was not shown, they could have been made by Tron based on his cards or something like that. LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 21:32, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'm against renaming. NA explained why is "Heraldry" better than "Crest". [1] --  The Goblin  I'm feelin' the flow  21:41, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

I don't feel like signing up for an NA account to see what the argument is, but there's strong evidence that "Medallion" is the intended translation. Look at Medallion Record, whose name is written as 紋章の記録, and the archetype support card High Medallion Arts. Considering that "Crest" is the obvious translation, whatever they say on NA, I think it's safe to say that "Medallion" is the intended English equivalent of 紋章.--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 02:02, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I'll just copy Ark's post here, then. He shouldn't have a problem with that:

"There is the definite connection in their name to the Tron Family's 4 crests, but I don't think Crest quite works here as it doesn't quite get across the intended sense of nobility going on here, and Coat of Arms is clunky. As to note, Abercorn and Bernar(d) are both family names of peerage, and Dragons and Falcons are hardly uncommon as beasts used in Coats of Arms, nor is the weird looking semi-mash-up design of Genome Heriter.

It should also be noted that 紋章 (crest, coat of arms) is one Kanji off of 紋章学 (heraldry)... there's also the point that the term for creatures on Coats of Arms are referred to as Heraldic Beasts in english as is. And the Japanese term for Heraldic Beast (on Wikipedia at least) is... 　紋章獣. (The Yale and Unicorn seem to be the only uses for this on the Japanese Wikipedia, but better something than nothing. There also seems to be a Japanese apple App that uses the term for mythological creatures displayed on such things.)"

So, there's his argument. Feel free to refute it. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:09, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Huh. So the research has been done here. I maintain that the cards suggest "Medallion" is the intended translation, but I concede there's a strong argument for "Heraldry" making more sense. Maybe in the TCG?--Ryusui (talk • contribs) 02:14, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

well a heraldry is the art of creating balzoning arms,most of the heraldry's are based on crests.also i want to say that all the monsters are based on European heraldry's and mythological kings of Europe--Yugx5dszexal (talk • contribs) 22:10, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Deletion?

Should this page be deleted? I'm sure the page was created when people first thought "High Medallion Arts" supported the archetype, but now that it apparently doesn't in the anime, and the real life cards support "Heraldry Beasts"... TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 15:47, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Wait for the confirm from Konami, ok? --iFredCat 15:51, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Wait for them to confirm what exactly? Good sources like NeoArkadia have clearly translated the cards to support 'Heraldry Beast' cards, and the anime card is apparently generic (which we won't get confirmation off of from Konami), so translations are the best we have... TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 19:19, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

I'd argue that this page is about as necessary as a "Gladiator" page. As in, it isn't. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 00:28, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

So I'm the only assuming that Tron is going to play non-Beast "Heraldry" monsters besides his "Number"? I'm fully expecting that, actually.Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:22, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

His next Duel isn't for what, 2-3 months? We could recreate this page then if need be, but for now, I'd say delete. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 01:39, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

I have no problem with that. Consensus seems strong enough to do so. I'm going to redirect the page to "Heraldry Beast" instead of deleting it though, since its certainly a valid search term. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:13, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Heraldic King?

Well, this is also part of this archetype, so please check Talk:Heraldic King, as I already posted it there. Please post any comments there, so that we don't have two separate discussions; is just that I thought this Talk would be more checked than the other one. :P LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 01:14, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Data

Not sure why an ice barrier card is listed on the bottom with the Heraldic cards but there is a card missing under support, which is Advanced Heraldry Art from Abyss Rising.

Because that "Ice Barrier" is a member due to its Japanese name. Also, "Advanced Heraldry Art isn't a support card for "Heraldic", its one for "Heraldic Beast". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:30, April 23, 2013 (UTC)