Talk:Jesse Wheeler

Thunder and Frost

jesse wheeler does not exist. In the 5d's epsode it is frost dueling thunder and thunder is the one with lyncanthorpe there is no jesse wheeler and it would make sense for frost to duel thunder you all are confused because the dub made it seem like its joey it aint so i would suggest capturing frosts image on the episode and putting it on his page and adding this to thunders page..the end. —This unsigned comment was made by 38.111.98.127 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

1. Frost and Thunder are from GX, not 5Ds.

2. This page is about a character that IS mentioned as Jesse Wheeler, even if it is dub-only. And the character DOES appear on 5Ds, albeit unnamed.Order 17:19, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

yes i know frost is from gx but he appears with giant orc in the 5ds episode 14 along with thunder but the dub mistakes it for "jesse wheeler" because its the stupid dub but if you watch the japanese there is no jesse or joey wheeler if you watch the episode again u'll c wat i mean.i just think it makes sense for frost to duel thunder like if you watch the episode you'll see the similarities. —This unsigned comment was made by 38.111.98.127 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

38.111.98.127 might have a point. "Jesse" and his opponent may have been an Easter Egg reference to Thunder and Frost. Like that girl who looked like Blair in episode 1. Here's the guy who supposedly looks like Frost. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:23, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

yeah. see even if you take thunders features and joeys and compare it with this "jesse" then im pretty sure everyone would say its thunder but the dubbed version confused everyone to think its joey because joey is way popular than thunder who merely appeared in like 4 episodes so it is easy to mistake him and the dub took that to the next level by giving "jesse" a brooklyn accent. —This unsigned comment was made by 38.111.98.127 (talk • contribs) 20:33, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

ok here smore proof look at "jesse" and this pic of thunder http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Thunder_(character)

That looks nothing like Jesse.--Tapper930 05:06, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

lol and that looks alot like joey/jesse rite?? look at this hair design and compare it to jesse's. Make it blond, give him glasses and, a criminal mark and there you go. Way closer to joey or "jesse"(who doesnt exist).

heres what i would suggest. Delete this "jesse wheeeler" page and add its concepts to 2 pages. In the joey wheeler page add this character under the 5d's section and put how he was mentioned as joey himself and as his cousin (in dub-only!). Also add this character in http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Thunder_(character) page and mention how he resembles the character and how he was dueling his ex-partner http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Frost. This makes complete sense to me if you ask.--Rovingexpert 11:36, February 14,2010 (UTC)

But it looks nothing like Thunder. Maybe it's supposed to be a Joey Easter egg--Tapper930 22:27, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't delete the Jesse Wheeler page. It's the only official name that he's been given. Not part of the original canon, but regardless official.

He doesn't look "nothing" like Thunder. Same shape hair, just a different colour and similiar clothing. This guy has very very similiar clothing to Frost, earrings on the right ear and a goatee. Individually, I'd have called both of those similiarities a mere coincidence, but the fact that appeared in the same scene interacting with each other, combined with Frost and Thunder being Tag partners, I'd say it's more than a coincidence.

Assuming they were intended to look like Frost and Thunder, they are not Frost and Thunder, just guys who were meant to look like them.

My suggestion is we leave this page at "Jesse Wheeler". If more people agree that these guys are a Frost and Thunder reference, mention that in the article and make an article for the other guy... call it something like "Giant Orc duelist", "Jesse Wheeler's opponent" or "Duelist (Daimon Arena)". -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:23, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

I do think that it was a Thunder and Frost reference. So I say add the possible reference to them in both Jesse Wheeler and Frost's article. And I say Frost's article because we did the same with Blair Flannigan and Tristan Taylor. OMG! You did it (talk • contribs) 22:44, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Relatives

I think we all know that he's obviously not a cousin of Joey Wheeler (Katsuya Jonouchi) in the Japanese version. Can we also say that he is definitely not related to Joey in the English version? i.e. instead of saying that he was allegedly a cousin, we say that he isn't one, but was called one and remove the relatives section from the infobox. Since in the English version it was clearly intended as a joke and probably messes with the continuity if it's true. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:41, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

I still belive hes not Joey at all because the 3rd best duelist wouldnt have a criminal mark dueling Frost in the streets like come on its common sense ! Who would duel frost other than his ex partner in CRIME thunder. For example lets look at the paradox brothers. Its likely you'll see the paradox brothers dueling 2 other opponents (tag-team) or against one another. Its not like your going to see PARA dueling against like Chazz, or like DOX dueling against MAI VALENTINE. Lol its simple common sense.

Sarcastic Naming?

Maybe the guy who said "Jesse" was Joey's cousin was being sarcastic, and said it as a way of saying "No. He may resemble Joey Wheeler, but he's not." —This unsigned comment was made by 24.224.68.204 (talk • contribs) 03:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the guy who said it was joey was being sarcastic and maybe the guy who said it was his cousin is not. We don't know but what we do know is that he WAS dueling Frost from gx (hint hint).

Theories

Can we just remove theories of any form from the article? Mainspace pages should just be for what we know, not our own guesses. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:46, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yes but how do we know that he is "in fact joey wheeler". Thats wrong because we dont know that yet so that should not be on the main either and also how do we know he's more related to joeys fathers side? In the relatives section it says aunt by marriage, like whats that supposed to mean. Like what if "jesse's" father is joeys mothers brother. We dont know that so you cant do guess work for that either. For christ's sake there should even be a jesse wheeler page because he is not legit and its like create a whole new page for someone who doesnt exist say like yugi's brother. i say we delete this because it's not even jesse or joey . DONE> —This unsigned comment was made by 38.111.125.82 (talk • contribs) 14:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't say he is Joey Wheeler. It only says that another character asked if he is Joey Wheeler. We know if he was his cousin, he would be related through his father's side because the surname is "Wheeler". I did suggest remove the "alleged relatives" section, if people agreed that it's safe to say that he is not a cousin of Joey Wheeler. He has an article because he is a character that had some recognition in the series. "Jesse Wheeler" is the only official name he was ever referred to as, which is why we're using it as the article title. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:41, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

guys please...

Ok guys mainspace pages are for what we know not our own guesses right? Then why does it say " this could mean that in fat this might be Joey" WE DONT KNOW THAT because there is no proof in the japanese and in the dubbed its confusing and no one actually agrees on that is joey. Did none of you read the Thudner and Frost theories. Well read again because like please people use commmon sense why would joey have a criminal mark and duel frost. Like i said before its like para dueling like kaiba on the streets. Yeah right like thats happening right. Even if you all want this character to be joey it is highly not because the Japanese version of yugioh this character is unamed and all we can do is guess based on looks and area. By looks he does look more like thunder not joey because above the eyes thunder AND jesse have a mark and joey doesnt have that if you look closely. In area this "jesse" was dueling frost. ALL im saying is that we shouldnt fuss up over if this is joey or not because it is frost dueling thunder. How could no one see this. Wow. 38.111.98.127 10:22, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

If he is in any way related to Joey, he's definatly not his cousin. By the time of 5D's, pretty much every character in the original Yugioh should be dead or at the very least elderly (Pegasus J. Crawford MEMORIAL Foundation mean anything?) --DARK 22:29, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

The article doesn't say he is Joey Wheeler. It's not using our guesses. It's just saying this a character, who in the English anime, someone asked if he was Joey Wheeler and someone else said no, he's his cousin Jesse Wheeler. The article doesn't say that either of those is his true identity. Saying he's Thunder counts as a theory because it wasn't stated within the show. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:46, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Don't the People who dub it talk with the original creators before they dub it? So wouldn't they have said something about it being Thunder?

True but then again the yugioh dub is the worst ive ever seen. They cut out the most ridiculous stuff like there's a lot from the original that is missing in the dubbed and they probebly did talk about it and decided to add a little twist into the dub by letting wayne grayson dub the voice. i wouldnt blame them as joey does look close to thunder but that is likely to be more than thunder than joey.