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Move?[edit]

Would anyone be opposed to moving this article to List of female cards? ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:06, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

I forgot I posted this. =D Almost two months without any comments, I'll take for silent consensus. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:32, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Laval Forest Sprite[edit]

"Laval Forest Sprite" is a female Tuner. But I can't add it because of the table format, which I don't understand....why we need such a detailed table for this list anyway?202.133.0.218 (talk) 09:54, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

She's already on the list, in the Tuner Monsters section. She should also be listed in the Effect Monsters section, though you would currently have to click "… further results" at the bottom of that section's list to see that (maybe we should up the limits on how many cards get listed?). The TCG/OCG sections all make use of Semantic MediaWiki to automatically list cards of that type that have been marked as "Female"; to add a card to one of them, you would edit the card's page and add the text "|misc1 = Female" (if you don't trust yourself to make such an edit, whatever the reason, you can leave a note here with a link to the card you're wanting to add, and someone will wort it out for you). As for why the list goes into such detail... Most of the sections were here before I had anything to do with the list, though I did add the sections for Toon, Spirit, Union, and Tuner monsters late last night (early this morning?). ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:31, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

What About Them?[edit]

Why are Tuned Magician and Featherizer not females? —This unsigned comment was made by 129.25.32.246 (talkcontribs) 20:09, May 24, 2011

Because they were never tagged as female cards (and they're almost certainly not the only ones). I've fixed it for them. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:47, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

Page completely messed up.[edit]

The page is completely messed up. Somebody please fix it. --Reborn Maseru (talkcontribs) 16:32, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

That's because SMW is down. There's nothing we can do but wait. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:38, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
All right, then. Damn, the box appearing at the start of the page doesn't help at all, I was at the point of installing some kind of weird software from SemanticWiki. Thanks for the info! --Reborn Maseru (talkcontribs) 10:49, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
We all knew already, just shut up already! --FredCat 10:56, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
Seriously man, have somebody ever told you to slow down a bit and relax? Oh and please don't bother in showing your bad temper to me again, or even answering, I'll be erasing this section in 10 m. --84.125.10.91 (talk) 11:34, August 5, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, the text can be admittedly confusing for laymen. Do you have any suggestions as to how we could reword it to be less confusing? ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:56, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

New cards to add[edit]

I can't figure out to add cards, in particular

All of these, except for "Tempest Magician", were already marked as female cards. To see them in the lists, though, you may have to click on the "... further results" link at the bottom of each table. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:33, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Airknight Parshath?[edit]

This looks vaguely female to me, but File:AirknightParshath-WC08.jpg and File:AirknightParshath-DB2-FR-SR-UE.png suggest it could just be an effeminate, long-haired male. Anyone? ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:46, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

It's definitely a male in french. We're always consider it as a male. Wilimut TalkMail Paris, 14:08, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Black Luster Soldier[edit]

Thought we agreed that Black Luster Soldier was male at Forum:Black Luster Woman?.
On a related note; so... no one still has access to The Duelists of the Roses game? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 08:33, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of that discussion; if you want to un-tag BLS and related cards, then, go ahead. =)
My friend had DOR years ago, and I played it some, but he lost the game some time ago (and I don't have a PS2/PS3 that I could play it on anyways). I remember I was working on documenting fusions (I think I still have the list somewhere, too). ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 17:10, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
I have The Duelists of the Roses, but I haven't got "Black Luster Soldier" in it. In the manga and the artwork for "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" it definitely looks male to me. In its original appearance "Black Luster Soldier" was "Gaia the Fierce Knight" suffused by chaos. I think "Gaia" is definitely male, so that should mean "Black Luster Solider" is male. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:05, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
If that's indeed the case, it has some of the most misleading card artwork I've ever seen. >_> Its origin isn't mentioned on Card Trivia:Black Luster Soldier, BTW. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 22:18, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
So I managed to gain access to a copy of Duelists of the Roses with every card unlocked; would it be correct to say, if you move Cyber Shield onto a monster; if it equips, then the monster is female; if the monster is destroyed, the monster is male?
Did that to Black Luster Soldier and it was destroyed.
On a not so related topic; I'll upload a new version of File:Back-DOR-VG.png when I figure out (or if someone tells me) where the best view of the back can be obtained. Right now, I think it's when a Spell/Trap is activated. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:40, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
When looking at details of a card there should also be section that lists applicable Equip Cards.
I think the current backing image was taken from the intro. It's a long time since I've played the game. The aerial view of face-down cards isn't that good, is it?
Since you have access to every card, could you get a not-so-blurred image of "Carat Idol", images of "Larva of Moth" and "Pupa of Moth" that show their original stats, a better quality "Fiend Castle" image and an actual card image of "Hightide"? -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:34, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
I'm wondering how much work it would be to find and rip these images directly from the game's ROM - I don't know if anyone's ever looked at its files to see if it uses standard file types or in-house custom jobs, but a very brief Google search isn't terribly promising. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:27, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, it's looking like no one's ever bothered with this game, and what I suspect are the archive files don't have any apparent coherent structure. I've posted a request for others more knowledgeable than I to have a look over at XeNTaX, maybe we'll get somewhere. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 19:11, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
I've uploaded the version, the image is from the animation at activation of a S/T when the card flies around (not the aerial view of a S/T card).
I'll check the rest when I get home.
EDIT: and for the record; here's the original screenshot. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 03:47, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
I've uploaded new versions to the 5 listed above. Unless there's another way to see them, the card images are sort of hard to get at (have to use them in a duel and draw them)...
The list appears to be accurate. If it has both Electro-Whip and Cyber Shield, then I'll consider the card as female.
Hero Kid is too new to be there.
Rogue Doll lists Book of Secret Arts, Bright Potion and Paralyzing Potion only, so I guess dolls don't have genders.
Ancient Elf has Electro-Whip, Cyber Shield, etc listed.
Airknight Parshath, Tactical Warrior, Dimensional Warrior and Maha Vailo do not.
The Snake Hair only has Dark Energy, Violet Crystal and Paralyzing Potion; although her 3D model seems to show that she has breasts.
Magical Ghost only has Dark Energy, Violet Crystal and Paralyzing Potion; and his 3D model has a male face.
Nemuriko only has Dark Energy, Black Pendant, Crush Card and Paralyzing Potion
Serpentine Princess has Raising Body Heat, Power of Kaishin and Paralyzing Potion... so genderless or male? 3D seems to be kind of a male...
A list of every card in DOR (cards which I can check) can be found here.
-Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:12, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Forgot that some girl can be flat-chest, not like Burst Lady's, but further flatter, if you know what I mean. Though Serpentine Princess don't have a set of breasts like rest of other, but she's still a girl because of "Princess" reference. "Princess" is a female title. Never mind Role and "master" reference; they are just for drama and honor, respective. --FredCat 13:00, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
The point was; Serpentine Princess did not have Electro-Whip/Cyber Shield listed.
Also; the Japanese name is Nāga; not ...-Hime. It may have been a Konami-fail when it was released in the TCG. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 13:06, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Therefore they used bad google translation to get that name after all? Why not just mail a letter to Konami and reminded them about the translation mistake? Oh never mind that - E-HERO Rampart Blaster had horrible lore. --FredCat 13:14, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
The Snake Hair is based on Medusa, which is always female in mythology (not sure how much that counts for though).
Per its Japanese name, Serpentine Princess is based on the nāga, which simply means "snake" and is used in reference to snakes (especially cobras) more often then not; when used to describe a half-snake, half-human, there doesn't seem to be one particular gender commonly associated with it. This then is a case of a misleading English translation, and the vaguely feminine appearance of the monster itself doesn't help matters either. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:46, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Ancient Elf is one of the Fusion Material Monsters for Mystical Sand, which is definitely female, for what it's worth (the other is Giant Soldier of Stone, which is not female by my estimation). ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:12, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
Fusion Material Monsters shouldn't really count; *points at Musician King*
Maybe DOR considered deities, myths and objects like dolls to be genderless... -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:44, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
True, I'd forgotten about him. Nevertheless, though, from what I've seen, it's a general rule that female Fusion Monsters have at least one female FMM - we shouldn't use it as the ultimate answer, but it can help inform the argument at least. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:49, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hero Kid?[edit]

Is Hero Kid, a guy or a girl? A long time ago, I create a WC07 page about this card and label it male, but I have to ask is it a guy or a girl. Because I felt that I need to change it gender before something bad happen. WinterNightmare (talkcontribs) 04:47, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Spanish name is Niño Héroe, it's a boy. -- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 13:49, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, for the info and have a nice day. WinterNightmare (talkcontribs) 23:09, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
We need more than that: acording to the spanish name of Dharc the Dark Charmer he is a girl, so we can't fully trust the spanish name--絶望 (talkcontribs) 03:55, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
Well about Dharc the Dark Charmer, it's always been considered as a female in french too. It's name is clearly feminine. Wilimut TalkMail Paris, 04:02, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
However, acording to Tag force 4(and the german name), he is a boy--絶望 (talkcontribs) 04:07, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Rogue Doll?[edit]

Is this one female? It looks like it might be; has it appeared in any games where that can be definitively checked? ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:12, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'll post this above, where the rest of the DOR stuff is... or maybe I should make a new section for DOR and move everything there. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:12, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if it helps but in French and Spanish, the word doll (Poupée in French and Muñeca in Spanish) is feminine. For me, in my mind, Rogue Doll has always been female.Wilimut TalkMail Paris, 14:33, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
I agreed, my french friend, but I also disagreed - because Rogue Doll is making out of things, like with the one Cheese had discussing about (the one with Clockwork or something I forgot). --FredCat 14:36, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
I don't know about French, but in Spanish, nouns are either always male or always female; they never change gender based on what they're describing like adjectives do. This means we can't really use that as a basis for deciding whether a card is female or not. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:36, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
In the English manga, Pegasus uses "her" to refer to "Rogue Doll". The face, eye shadow and what seems to be breast plates all seem feminine to me. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:14, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
It's like I referred the car "her" often when having a conservation with male friends. But you get the point, D-Neos. --FredCat 19:21, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
To answer Dinoguy about Spanish, I'm bilingual and I can tell you 100% that Muneca is female consonnance. My stepfather calls his daughter Muneca. No ones will ever call a guy like that... It's clearly female. Wilimut TalkMail Paris, 02:26, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
I obviously defer to the individual who speaks Spanish natively/fluently; all I have to go on are my three years of Spanish in high school. ;) ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:32, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Night Assailant?[edit]

Is Night Assailant a girl? I red Gravekeeper's Assailant card trivia and it say that it was resurrect as Night Assailant. Or does it, not have a gender. WinterNightmare (talkcontribs) 22:15, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

See this too, and you used "read" wrong, my friend. --FredCat 22:18, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
"This card appears to be a departed or spiritual version of 'Gravekeeper's Assailant'." That's mostly just a guess. There's no proof of that. -- Summoned Skull 2: Electric Boogaloo 22:24, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
If you disagreed with that, then go ahead, remove the line; if you please. --FredCat 22:25, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
I am ok with it, but can anyone answer the hero kid gender question. WinterNightmare (talkcontribs) 22:27, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Personally, I'm not seeing where the "Gravekeeper's Assailant is female" thing is coming from; it doesn't look even remotely female once you get past the eyes. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:06, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
*point at GX show* That's how we knew that "Assailant" is female. And Judai managed to dodge her attack with some crazy combine of his. --FredCat 23:09, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Yasmin. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 23:10, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Works for me, I suppose. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:12, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for bring that name up, can't believe that I forgot her name. So will "Night Assailant" get Misc up? --FredCat 23:14, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
We dont know if the two are the same monster, so Misc sounds fine to me. But even if Night assailant is a deceased Gravekeepers assailant, we dont know if its Yasmin or not, since most Monster cards seem to represent Species not single beings. There might be multiple Gravekeepers assailants so night assailant might be a ancestor of Yasmin and could be male. Another example is Blue eyes white dragon. Some think its female because Kisara is female. But in falsebound kingdom there are three individual white dragons (Azrael, Ibris, Djibril)That means there are 6 answers if you ask for a monsters gender: male, female, genderless, hermaphrodite, unknown and variable. There are cards that represent a unique being and cards thath represent a entire species. There is only one slifer, one Freed one burstinatrix etc which have a determined gender (unknown, male and female respectively), but there are multiple Blue eyes white dragons with can have either gender. Yasmin is A female Gravekeepers assailant, but there might be other gravekeepers assailants some male and some female. But thats just my theory. --SG-27 (talkcontribs) 10:58, August 31, 2011 (UTC)
Good point, my friend. But remember that game are not canon to Anime. Because most of games only taken part of the Anime and change the rest - like Marik's Deck for explain? Yea, don't believe that Falsebound Kingdom is relating to Anime. --FredCat 11:03, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Black Rose Dragon?[edit]

This one was added by an anon a little while back. Any thoughts on whether it's actually a female? ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:06, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Consensus will have Black Rose Dragon as female. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 07:34, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Cú Chulainn the Awakened?[edit]

The face definitely looks feminine, but the original character is male. Thoughts? ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 02:55, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

If it's based off on bishonen male character, I'd say the card is likely intended to be male as well. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:56, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't say the original character is meant to be bishonen; the other images on Wikipedia don't look nearly so feminine. ダイノガイ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:18, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
It's a guy because 800 years of Irish folklore manuscripts says he's a guy. Huajun Chen (talkcontribs) 03:22, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ancient Elf[edit]

How come Ancient Elf is listed as female in the Normal Monster section when its description listed it as male since it states: "This elf is rumored to have lived for thousands of years. He leads an army of spirits against his enemies." --NejiHyuga900 (talk | contributions) "I am the Thunder Dragon!" 02:23, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

The lore is incorrect and the TCG screw up the lore. I upload this File:AncientElf-JP-Anime-DM-NC.png a few week ago. This should solve the issue. WinterNightmare (talkcontribs) 03:03, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

XX-Saber Fullhelmknight[edit]

This card is not a female card. Just because it has long yellowish hair does not make it a girl, and you can tell by looking at his face and body. Tommy2215 (talkcontribs) 21:35, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Tour Bus From the Underworld[edit]

As a vehicle, it's almost certainly not female but it is listed as such. Obviously, Tour Guide From the Underworld is the female. Should it be on this page? —This unsigned comment was made by BobaFett2 (talkcontribs) 00:39, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

We list cards as female based on whether a female appears in the artwork, so Tour Bus qualifies. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:02, January 20, 2012 (UTC)

Masked Beast Des Gardius[edit]

Is Masked Beast Des Gardius a female? This was my response: Well, if you look at the chest, you can see that it indeed it has ....., also you can watch episode 072/073 to understand why I put female. Other guy: not female for god' s sake it a demon look at it. Just because it has "demon" appearance doesn't mean it could be female. Here, are couple of examples why I believe it female: card and appearance. Just look at the green female "demon" at the center. What do you think? WinterNightmare (talkcontribs) 02:08, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

It's female; the partially-absorbed humanoid in the demon's chest unmistakably has breasts. Now knowing that there is a creature in its chest, it is even visible in the OCG/TCG card artwork, regardless of the fact the monster's arm has been moved to mostly eclipse the creature. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 04:33, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Blue-Eyes White Dragon[edit]

Should we not add Blue-Eyes White Dragon to a list. it was the sprit (Soul) monster of a Girl. —This unsigned comment was made by 50.103.180.59 (talkcontribs) 01:08, April 9, 2012

No, Spirit itself don't related to the person - though all other monsters are. Like "Mudora" being summoned by Isis, and Mudora is male for explain. It approve same with "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" and the former owner (before Priest Seto) for this reason. --FredCat 01:37, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, if you paid attention to the plot of "Memory World", what made Kisara unique was that her ka (monster spirit) and ba (actual human soul) were one. Meaning, that her individual soul WAS the Blue-Eyes White Dragon. Kisara IS Blue-Eyes. That's why if it was pulled from her body, she would die. So yes, the Blue-Eyes White Dragon is female. It should be on the list.Makoeyes987 (talkcontribs) 03:41, June 14, 2012 (UTC)Makoeyes987

So....what's the final verdict? Is BEWD female or not? Order (talkcontribs) 09:36, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Genderless, so no. --iFredCat 10:04, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Arcanites[edit]

Arcanite Magician and Arcanite Magician/Assault Mode how do you know they are female.--Red Duel 17:15, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Their german names say they are male but I'm not sure if that really counts. Dunkles Magiermädchen (talkcontribs) 17:32, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
Assault Overload showed her waist size as well as her chest. That's how we knew she's a female. German just made it sound male. --iFredCat 17:44, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not so sure it looks like it's legs are spread in an x shape to me.--Red Duel 18:27, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
Iunno, looks male to me; at most the face is a bit androgynous and the design on the chest could be mistaken for breasts in smaller-resolution images. See also the Tag Force images: Arcanite Magician, Arcanite Magician/Assault Mode, Assault Overload. ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 06:00, July 15, 2012 (UTC)
They look male to me too, not that I have any new observations to back that up. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:39, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Spell/Trap Cards[edit]

Why the hell are we putting up Spell/Trap Cards as female just because a female monster appears in the artwork? For example, the card Amazoness Spellcaster is represented by a woman even in its name, so it makes sense to list it as female. But how is "The A. Forces" a female? Simple Guillotine (talkcontribs) 00:55, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well since you've brought it up, I've long wanted to revamp this page. The anime, manga and some games specifically name certain cards as female. We should only be listing those specific monsters here. However, this list began when the wiki was in its younger stages and people just keep doing what they've been doing all along. The main argument for continuing this way is that a lot of users want to see a listing of all cards with females in them. That can be solved with maintaining a unofficial listing on the forum, the way we do the controversial "Numbers" Xyz Monster Trivia. A big step would be to obtain a list of cards from the games that are noted as female, but no one has done so as of yet. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 01:32, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Darkness Neosphere is a guy[edit]

Take note that it has no breasts... if u look closely it that other bump is on his arm! He has a male haircut! Like he looks like a mummy meaning he was a prince —This unsigned comment was made by 620518 (talkcontribs) 08:35, November 9, 2013‎ (UTC)

Orea and Nepthys[edit]

Orea is stated to be female according to this: http://www.ygorganization.com/ocg-sylvan-backstory-funtime/

Also, on this page: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Sacred_Phoenix_of_Nephthys_%28character%29

We have Nepthys listed as female, which makes sense since the deity Nepthys was female. Forestfleet (talkcontribs) 05:29, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

XX-Saber Hyunlei[edit]

Latest episode actually bothered to give us a direct shot at her big breasts, lol. So yeah, she should be added into the list.Order (talkcontribs) 00:04, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, that was a given before the episode. She's already listed as female on her card page, but SMW being glitchy and all, that's why she isn't on the list. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 00:15, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Purpose of this page[edit]

In its current form, I find this page largely useless. I think it should focus on the functional situations in which a monster being female matters. For example, in video games which have card effects that only affect female monsters, all the affected monsters should be tagged (and likewise for effects that only affect male monsters, which we don't currently do). TCG/OCG cards do not need to be here because there is no functional significance of gender in those media.

Anime and manga I'm not entirely sure how to handle, but it might just be best to avoid the constant speculation and just make mentions of the specific cards with gender-dependent effects, and which cards were demonstrated to have functionally significant genders. --SnorlaxMonster 09:34, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

In the many years I've been using the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia, I never understood why there was a differentiation.
Ok, I now see some video games may treat them differently. And I'm aware of manga Zombiestein. But I also don't think it's necessary to have lots of TCG/OCG cards tagged with this. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 10:04, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
Is it worth accommodating for the portion of the fandom that are simply interested in knowing what female cards there are, beyond their impact on gameplay? Such as they want a female character or a character with a all-female Deck for their fanfic. Mutter, mutter feminism, lust, misogyny, misandry. While the reasons may be virtuous or objectionable, the interest exists. Is it worth listing all female cards for this interest? -- Deltaneos (talk) 21:33, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
You know? You're right. People could be interested in that. It's still a search criteria. Might be convenient.
I take my previous post back, that said. Thanks. Becasita Pendulum (talkcontribs) 22:01, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
I think that kind of thing might be better served on the trivia pages of the respective cards. The problem is that we don't have definitive confirmation on the gender of every single card, so a page like this is necessarily going to be either incomplete or speculative.
Another problem I have is the low standard for inclusion and ultimate subjectivity, particularly for non-Monster Cards. We have cards like "Ritual Sanctuary" and "Malevolent Nuzzler" in this category, which while they do feature females in their artwork, the subjects of the cards themselves are not females. It also leads to very confusing cases, such as "Risebell the Summoner" being tagged as female because it includes a female in its artwork, despite the subject of the card not being female (hopefully we don't end up with alternate artworks messing this up).
I don't really see why we would single out female for people who want to make themed Decks or write fanfics. I could just as easily suggest tagging all blue cards (which would have similar inclusion issues to female cards) or all minotaurs. In fact, there are other arbitrary categories with significance in the video games too, such as cards that have shells. If we want to note properties like gender or color when they have no mechanical significance (and especially when they are not particularly well-defined), those should not use search categories. --SnorlaxMonster 11:44, July 26, 2016 (UTC)
In addition to the above, a solution to wanting to please the people who have a vested interest in categorising cards as such would be to take the names of "female" cards we've currently tagged, and paste them into a forum topic the way we did Billy Deck. We can then remove the female category from all cards that have not been specifically designated as such in a form of media. This has been talked about before, and Dinoguy's had a draft for revising this page for ages. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 12:37, July 26, 2016 (UTC)
A forum topic would probably be suitable for the general subject of female cards, and its manually maintained nature would allow distinguishing cases where the subject of the card is female versus its artwork simply featuring female monsters/characters, as well as an easier way to handle alternate artworks (and it would also allow proper documentation of cases where a card is referred to or treated as female e.g. in the anime or manga despite not obviously being female itself - e.g. BEWD, which is the ka of a female character and IIRC therefore generally treated as female itself).
Dinoguy's had a draft for revising this page for ages
I have? Is this something I've mentioned before? Because I don't remember any such draft, don't have one saved in my userspace (which is where I would have stuck it if I saved it as a draft), and don't have one squirreled away in any open tab in my browser... ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 12:49, July 26, 2016 (UTC)
Are you thinking of your sandbox, Key? You linked it in a previous topic above, but it hasn't been touched for a few years now (and I've never messed with it). ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 12:53, July 26, 2016 (UTC)
How very strange. I remembered that I started something, but I thought someone else had already made a better version, so I stopped. Somehow I must have been thinking about this. Hehe, whoops. --Golden Key (talkcontribs) 13:49, July 26, 2016 (UTC)
I don't understand the trivia page suggestion. A list alerts/reminds you of the existence of female cards. If you're viewing a trivia page, you'll already aware of the card and in most cases won't need to be told its gender. "* This card is female." on each trivia page is too much.
"All models are wrong, but some are useful." The page acknowledgingly lists cards which may be disputed, but it still succeeds in informing people of the majority of female cards.
I also don't like that cards depicting females, but whose subjects aren't female, are listed. I think they should be removed either way.
There is more of a demand for knowing what OCG cards are female than which ones are blue or shelled.
I don't mean to come across as a huge supporter of this page. I just want to put the logic on the table. If the "there's a portion of people interested in knowing" case is too narrow to warrant inclusion, I'd be happy to strip this page down to just the mediums where female is a mechanic and if desired, let the forum handle the rest. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:13, July 26, 2016 (UTC)