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redirecting to Durbe[edit]

Vectors dialogue in episode clearly states that Nasch is another Barian emperor, so why redirect to Durbe's page even if the same introduces himself with this name? DracoX (talk • contribs) 21:08, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

who is he[edit]

i thought about his true identity and i think that he is shark and rio is merag, that would explain her connection to the barians, and when durbe touched sharks hand in the last episode shark started to glow first, the durbe's lapis recovered its powers, and also sharks ability to control numbers--Masterq (talk • contribs) 09:17, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

between Durbe "being reminded of someone" when he dueled Ryoga during Sargasso, and the fact that the silhouette of Nasch looks like Shark, plus Rio's connection to the Barian World, I'd say this will be the most likely plot twist. But it's nothing more than speculation ATM, so it really doesn't matter until more is revealed. But yeah Shark is totally gonna be Nasch.--RexGodwin (talk • contribs) 14:11, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

This is Reginald Kastle for sure.

Reginald Kastle as Nasch.png

--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 18:01, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Or his father... just like Yusei and Dr. Fudo. --iFredCat 18:43, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
We do not know if Barians have father and mother, because they are recreation of the dead Human. So they just revive as the age they died in or as whole new life as Barian babies, because Reginald has his past in Human form. 5D's is one different story and I do not there is anything like other beings trying to destroy world(s). We only see Humans or Machine beings in it.--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 19:27, June 16, 2013 (UTC)


Why don't we just wait until it's confirmed.--Computer Bug (talk • contribs) 18:48, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

This isn't confirmed yet. What is confirmed is that Shark had a past life. What isn't confirmed is that he's also Nasch (yeah, he obviously will be, but we should wait another week). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:49, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

With all of the evidence that has been given, it wouldn't make sense if Nasch was not Reginald Kastle (unless they decide to add a new character to the story). But until we can be 100% sure that they are the same people, we shouldn't jump the gun. 24.127.196.94 (talk) 01:31, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

It can be possible that Reginald Kastle is Nasch if he goes to Barian World, because Barians transformed as they enter the world. He might just transformed without his will, right? That is how other Barians do. If that will happen or confirmed that he is Nasch, then we should have no problem saying that Rio Kastle is Merag. I know Rio is a female, but I saw anime called Star Driver, where there is kind of cybody pilots called "Galactic Pretty Boy" (Ginga Bishonen) and there are two females regardless their gender (main character was like confused, those girls are Ginga Bishonens?..). Well, we will see in future episodes or as we get the news of new episodes summaries.Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 17:18, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
Don Thousand said that Vector killed them. But when they were Humans or Barians? Seriously, this Vector... so ruthless....

shark being nasch?[edit]

guys shocking news at end of episode 109 don thousand said to vector he claimed that vector is responsible for the deaths of Nasch and Merag. Theory Merag Used Her Powers to Reborn Herself Along With Nasch to Be Humans This explains shark with a human soul he was once a barian vector was the one that killed borth Nasch and Merag Using Her Powers The Two Are Reborn as Shark and Rio on Earth Since Shark was effected byThe Numbers This is Entire Thing Happen Before ZeXal Began!(ZombieLionel (talk • contribs) 19:33, June 24, 2013 (UTC))

Wait until that episode air; we can't provided it like a madness. --iFredCat 20:00, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
Cat dude, he maybe right, okay. Because Reginald can be possessed by "Numbers". His theory is not madness. He is right and we do not know what "that episode" your talking about. If its 109, then that just released, dude.Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 22:29, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

C'mon[edit]

I know it's yet to be confirmed but it'd be dumb if he weren't Nasch. His past life HAS THE BARIAN SYMBOL ON HIS CHEST. 24.34.79.89 (talk) 11:27, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Do you have proof Reginald is Nasch? Energy X ∞ 11:28, June 30, 2013 (UTC)
That you have to understand if you focus on him very much, because it is really mystery right now and some proof you need will not do. The proof is Durbe said Reginald reminds him of "that man". The picture has the curls of Reginald's hair.
Nasch (shaded) 2.png
About the Barian Emblem in his past life, it is possible that he was the one who design it, because he was wearing it and other legendary figures did not, and now the emblem is of Barian World. His sister, Rio Kastle, inherited the Barian powers of her, but why he does not? Vector was stated he killed them by Don Thousand. Kastle siblings are or maybe living third time by now, first as legendary figures (Human), second as Barians, and third as Human again. It is really possible that they are in their third life as Humans, because Reginald was possessed by "Number"s (I think he can possess now instead without any problem), but Rio inherited her Barian powers from her second life and Reginald did not. Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 02:19, July 4, 2013 (UTC)


Until Shark is revealed to be Nasch 100 % this is pure speculation.For all we know Nasch could be some third person we never heard of.. When Shark morphs into his Barian Full Form or some other better sign then we can talk later. --Timi Nidorfer Yliaster (talk • contribs) 08:26, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

"Nasch-Shark Theory" conclusion[edit]

A.K.A: "Nasch Kastle Theory", "Nasch Kamishiro Theory", "Ryoga Nasch Theory" or "Reginal Nasch Theory". Just see the sumary of episode 121 and 122:

  • 121 haves: "While he endures the brutal assault of Vector's attacks, Shark reawakens the power of Nasch, and unleashes a counter attack using his Over-Hundred Number!". And 122 haves Reginald, a.k.a. Nasch and Yuma notices Nasch is actually his bud Shark. We can see/read the conclusion of the theory, fell free to agree, disagree, comment, correct some thing--Dragonempeorslayer (talk • contribs) 01:05, September 1, 2013 (UTC).
Yeah... just saying in the literal sense "reawakens the power of Nasch" doesn't necessarily mean they are the same, I would think however that Reginald, a.k.a. Nasch is proof; although I would maintain we don't actually change the page yet (until the episode confirming this airs), as it could be the episode previews lying or misleading us (I doubt it; but it has happened before). --slave(command) 17:52, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
We should wait, really, those fake previews lured people to wrong editing. Beside, that "Reginald a.k.a Nasch" does not exist. So we going to see about Reginald/Nasch thing later.--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 01:12, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
"maintain we don't actually change the page yet (until the episode confirming this airs)"... -_- that means waiting... and as for: "Reginald, a.k.a. Nasch" DID exist when I wrote that, although that was from the previews which I have since updated (thanks to the guys over at NAC!) to the ones confirmed by NIHON AD (Animation Development) SYSTEMS, Inc. (commonly known as NAS) ... --slave(command) 06:04, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
What about episode 119? Is it not enough proof already when Shark himself explicitly says "I am Nasch"? Or do you guys have to WAIT until Shark completely transforms into his Barian form before anyone is willing to believe that Shark=Nasch? Samhiuy (talk • contribs) 02:31, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
Pretty much the second one. Shark only said what he THINKS is possibly true. Shark being a Barian is pretty big, so even though he said that, we need to see the truth for ourselves. This wiki is based on what we know is fact, not what we think is true. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 03:16, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
Huh, past Vector himself identified Shark as Nasch in Episode 120. So, there you go for the proof, I guess. HPZ - O.N.E. ~Hanayo Asa~ 17:05, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
we can count on what characters saying as being the truth(until its proven otherwise) so with todays episode we can make the necessary change to say that Shark Nasch. Anad if we cant merge the pages then it should be atleast noted on sharks page that during his past life he was NaschF8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:26, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, but one of those characters is Vector. Not all characters are trustworthy when it comes to what they say, but that doesn't really have anything to do with this :). I agree with the fact that Shark is Nasch, but that is a pretty big deal. At this point, it is pretty much fact, but we should probably wait for a full Bariarphose from Shark first, to just be sure, which will most likely come in Episode 124 based on the title. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 17:35, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
Well, even if a character is a liar such as vector, we accept there worlds until it proven otherwise. And as far as Shark=Nasch, It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that He lived in the past as Nasch the Human, but if we need to see him change to prove that he is also Nasch the Barian, i can see where you're coming from, although i personally think it unecessary.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:41, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
I was mostly kidding about the whole trustworthy character thing (Vector would have no reason to lie about that, especially since his past incarnation had no idea about Nasch/Shark's inner conflict) :). But, I actually agree with you that it is kinda unnecessary but, remember when it turned out Rei was Vector, we even saw him transform ourselfs and it still took a while for people to accept it. My point is, there are people who will be against the whole "Shark is Nasch" thing until they see what they consider is undeniable proof. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 18:34, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
well as far as the whole rei/vector thing there was literally nothing to support the argument against (it was more or less people unwillingness to accept that the show would go in such a dark direction), and even with this situation there's definitive proof that shark is Nasch, but as i said I can see the necessity to wait, but based on the preview i feel like all neceassry proof(if it wasnt provided in this episode) will be provided next week.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 18:52, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
You got me there on the whole Rei=Vector thing, NO ONE saw that coming. But yeah, there is much more proof on Shark=Nasch. I think some of the higher-up Users should definitely help with this… but until then, we should probably wait for now. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 19:00, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
We know Shark is Nasch, but why he did not knew is the question. Yes, he is Nasch, I believe and support that. But things are going to be revealed at episode 124, so we can see him turning Barian, but I do jot exactly think he will become in his Barian because of the Nsch thing about he was murdered by Vector. So, I think he is a Human in body at the moment.--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 19:55, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry…what? Not to be rude, but please edit your comment so it is readable because I have no idea what you are trying to say. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 19:59, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmmm[edit]

I'm not willing to admit or say that is could be definite prof that Shark is Nasch. Maybe Nasch was a shark look alike in the past, but maybe not, as certain proof has directed towards shark being nasch. most episode previews are wrong, and some translations can be incorrect. i prefer to wait for the show to answer, and im not saying anything else--Malek Kriya (talk • contribs) 20:02, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

  • For me this episode confirms what most have thought for a long time, that Shark is Nasch. Admittedly I think we'll all feel a little better once he and Merag whoever (S)he is actually assume their Barian forms but this for me confirms that Shark is Nasch leader of the Barian Emperors and I think this is long overdue. KasaiWolf (talk • contribs) 20:27, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
  • On a side note i agree with what you say, but further information about Merag and Nasch is yet to be revealed. Shark may have accepted the fact that he is a Barian, but will he continue to go with it and accept the mission he set out when he was Nasch, the Barian Emperor, or will he retaliate and side with Yuma. The same can be said about his sister, whether or not she is Merag. If its later revealed she is Merag, will she set out the mission to destroy the astral world as well, or will she side with Yuma--Malek Kriya (talk • contribs) 21:17, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
  • @Malek shark being a look-alike makes literally no sense, They went through shark's memories, memories he could not possibly have had unless he was Nasch. And we can confirm that he is Nasch off of this one episode alone. @Kaisai Merag must obviously be a girl if Durbe thought Rio as merag, so we atleast know merag if femaleF8lfire (talk • contribs) 21:30, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
    • I bet Shark will join the Barians at first, but then realize that even though he is Nasch, he is still Shark and he must do what he thinks is right, not what Nasch would have done (had he not lost all his memories). NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 21:34, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
      • Well I'm a little less sure about Merag being Rio now mostly due to the strange storyline they have woven with her. I mean we know she died in the past, we know the little girl Iris looked like her and was taken into Barian World, we know she was reborn but died again when Kurage ran into the car, we know that somehow she survived as well. That's slightly confusing. One more time she might have died if she is Merag is when Vector killed her along with Nasch. I'm not 100% sure Rio is Merag because I don't believe everything Durbe says, he could indeed be wrong although I believe 100% that Shark, Ryoga in present day in infact Nasch. KasaiWolf (talk • contribs) 22:43, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

@KasaiWolf, i agree with what you say about Rio, i mean iris could be merag as well, because she looks a lot like rio with hair color being different, although rio also had a past life. this mystery will be solved soon, but i hope that shark doesn't go with the barians, because if he does it will just be heartbreak to me. shark is my favorite character, and i also agree with you on about durbe. and it is sad to me to accept that shark is nasch, but thats how it is --Malek Kriya (talk • contribs) 02:10, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Merging with Shark Page[edit]

This is not needed, Nasch can be a alternative personality like Dark Marik or Dark Bakura, that have separated page, Nasch or "Dark Shark" may can be one split personality like the other two Dark sides mentioned above.--Dragonempeorslayer (talk • contribs) 00:07, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

  • There is no evidence at all that Nasch is a split personality. Shark and Nasch are the same person who somehow lost his memories and thats all there is to it. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 00:37, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Better let be this decided later until the episode airs where Shark transforms into Nasch. DracoX (talk • contribs) 00:45, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

  • we don't even know if shark will accept his fate as a barian or if he will think in transforming it, i mean episode previews people make are all lies, like when they made those pages of shark awakening the power of nasch in what was supposed to be next wek episode, or the episode that just passed today. for all we know shark has accepted that he is a barian but will he accept it far enough to betray his friends, espiecally yuma--Malek Kriya (talk • contribs) 02:14, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Those episode previews came from a very trustworthy source. Episode descriptions are generally very accurate. That was just one of the times they were not (or the original story got changed at that point). NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 17:09, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I think we should leave this unmerged. As Golden Key pointed out to me, this is just like Yami Yugi and Pharaoh Atem having separate articles. Furthermore, I suggest we split the past lives of the other Barian Emperors to their own articles as well. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:05, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, I thought of the exact same thing, but I wasn't sure anyone would agree with me on that, but when thinking about Pharaoh and Yami it makes much more sense. The Barians and their past lives are not exactly the same people, as they lived entirely different lives as well as having different personalities (for the most part). NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 00:35, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

it make more sense to have them merged as the only real diffrence from shark in various time periods, it's his environment, he still has the same personality. Its just him over a vast period of time especially now that he has his full memories back, it makes more sense to have merged pages than separate onesF8lfire (talk • contribs) 00:56, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

I still don't buy it. For all we know Nasch could be someone else and is using Shark as a vessel, like how the Immortals used the Dark Signers. After all, if we follow the episodes so far, Shark and Rio are suppose to be dead from the car crash.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:18, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

That dosnt' really match up with a few establish plot points ( the Kamishiro family crest, Shark's being the only person to have summon a choas number/xyz without some sort of external power, Rios Clairvoyancy, Shark being able to repair the Barialapse through contact, and Durbe's despcritpion of Nasch as an honorable man, as well as the fact that if he were doing this to screw with shark and rio, that there's no reason to leave the other emperors out on the plan), besides it's already been accepted and establish that Shark=Nasch. page merging is the only on topic issueF8lfire (talk • contribs) 01:37, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

It was also accepted at one point in time that Ray Shadows and Vector were two different people, but we know how that turned out. I say hold off on the merger until we are absolutely positive that they are one in the same. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 02:34, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
One thing does not make sense to me. It has pretty much been established that the Barians have an immunity against the influence of the Numbers, right? Assuming that Shark is Nasch, who somehow lost his memories and ended up on Earth, why was Shark affected by the Numbers' influence…twice? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 15:22, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

1) I dont think that's ever been established(that just seems to be the case) 2) if this is the case we must also take into account that he is most likly re-reborn as a human. 3) its very likely that this is a plot point that they decided to add into the show later on(and i gotta admit its a damn good one), and that it may not have originally been intended for shark to be a barian.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 15:28, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

I kinda figured the plot point thing, I'm just saying that there is a hole in the story… Heh, I also bet they didn't plan on originally giving Shark a sister either. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 16:47, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps we should put it to a vote? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 03:23, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

Shark before he knew he was nasch

So this seems real shark dueled yuma and didnt know he was nasch till up to now and then now he has defeated vector and has nothing left but dumon and rio spirits on his side Bblitz (talk • contribs) 00:50, September 11, 2013 (UTC)bblitz

I say we leave those two as they are for the time being. When we have CLEAR confirmation on the relation between Nasch and Shark, should we merge/swap/edit the pages. Dennis Phantom (talk • contribs) 15:58, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

We already have clear confirmation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:32, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
I think that we should keep the pages separate until we have more detail, such as how Shark/Nasch lost his memories and ended up Earth. But, I also think we should create separate pages for each Barian's past life, as the past life characters and present day Barians are not quite the same characters. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 16:56, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

They are the same people(even if some of them have changed over time), making them have separate pages is the logical equivalent of having one page for a character when he's 10 and another for when he's 20F8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:03, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

No, not really. This is an issue of past lives. They are different people. Reincarnations, but still not the same life. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:10, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

not necessary it the same as if a person died and went to heaven or hell, they're still the same person, just a diffrent being, the "soul" is the same, the outer shell is the only real diffrenceF8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:21, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, no. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:28, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

That dosent really prove anything as of now, seeing as how the person we know as "Rio" could either be the spirit of the little girls who died, or the spirit of merag in the body of that child, Just as the chracter we know as "shark"could be Nasch in the body of the child who suppossedly died, or that child himself..F8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:50, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing can be said with absolute certainty at this point. All we know is that the WATER duelist we've been seeing for 120 episodes is Nasch. Shark might be dead for 10 years already and his body is now hosting Nasch alone. That's one of the theories. Another theory is that Shark and Nasch are one in both body and soul. In that case, go look at Bruno. Dennis Phantom (talk • contribs) 19:50, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Since when then did that theory show up? Look, the way I see it, Shark and Nasch share one body but since Nasch forgot who he was, that immediately created Reginald Kastle. That is obviously a possible theory, but that first theory of yours really doesn't have much support other than the car accident. Of course, that does not mean that it is not possible. Bottom line, we don't know the full story, so we really should wait another episode or two before making such a big change. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 22:56, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
Do we know the whole story? No. But we do know that in his past life, Shark was Nasch. That's enough. We'll update as we know more, as always. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:15, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
@NMBRHNTR64 That's what I said. Just leave the pages be for the moment. And as for Nasch's amnesia creating Shark, that's exactly the same thing as Bruno and Vizor.Dennis Phantom (talk • contribs) 12:14, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

i agree with Cheesedude. plus when we found out that vector and ray shadows where the same person, we merged there pages, so we should do the same here. superlmno(Superlmno (talk • contribs) 00:41, September 12, 2013 (UTC))

Alrighty then. Now we wait… NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 00:50, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
This is not a comparable case to Vector and Rei. Vector and Rei are literally, 100% the same person. Here, its a reincarnation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:31, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, it is not just a reincarnation. Shark is Nasch. They share a past life, but Shark IS present day Nasch who went missing (at least that is the story we think thus far). NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 12:20, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, but my point was that they share a past life. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:52, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
I know, but I can see what they mean. It is somewhat a similar case, but of course the idea of Shark being Nasch was hinted a long time ago, while there was practically no evidence of Rei being Vector. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 13:12, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

I think this page for Nasch should be merged with Shark, while Dark Marik and Marik were separate people and the same for Yugi and Atem this doesn't apply to Nasch and Shark. Nasch and Shark are one soul and one person. Nasch was Shark in the past and Shark is Nasch now. Merging the articles is the smartest thing to do. As for creating separate articles for the rest of the Emperors, that's not the best thing to do, you see Mizael, Gilag and Alit wouldn't have much in the articles at all because we don't know all that much about their past lives. Durbe and Vector would be a little different because we have seen them multiple times. Just a humble opinion. KasaiWolf (talk • contribs) 14:42, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Right. Shark and Nasch are the same person, but different personalities. It is like Yugi Muto and Yami Yugi. Those pages should be merged first before these two. LionHeartKIng (talk • contribs) 15:50, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

it's nothing alike, yugi and yami yugi are two completely different people sharing a body, Shark and Nasch are the same person in both soul and personalityF8lfire (talk • contribs) 16:27, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, technically Shark is Nasch, but remember that Nasch had his own life before…whatever it was… happened to him (and I am talking about Barian life not past life). The Barian Emperor Nasch had his own life, experiences, etc. and was his own person, not Shark, before he was killed by Vector… or again, whatever it was that happened. Yes, Shark and Nasch share a body and a past life, but in reality they have different memories, experiences, and overall… souls. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 20:32, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

no they would still have the same soul, because its the soul that is reincarnated, not the body, its equivalent to a person with amnesia(seeing as how the memories were there) so he is still the same being, and in no way a different soul , and since it is the same soul they are the same personF8lfire (talk • contribs) 02:32, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

You do not seem to understand. Physically they may be the same person, but it is not the same soul if that person had a completely different life than the other. Both Shark and Nasch had different experiences and maybe even personalities. Mentally, they are not the same person. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 02:45, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
1)since shark now has his memories of his past life, at this point in time yes they are the same person, seeing as how shark now has his memories , and experiences of his past self. and we know based on shark going through the past aswell as Durbe's words to shark when they first met, that even without his memories Shark and Nasch had similar personalities(Durbes own words), so yes mentally they are the same person 2) if the soul isnt reincarnated then it isnt a reincarnation, its just a look alikeF8lfire (talk • contribs) 03:04, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
I will give you the personality thing, as I forgot he mentioned that. But no, Shark does not have Barian Nasch's memories, he has past life Nasch's memories. Whatever happened to Nasch during the time he was Barian Emperor is completely unknown to Shark. And on the soul thing… the whole concept of a soul in ZEXAL is still a little bleak, besides for all we know Barian Nasch was reincarnated as a human after he was apparently killed by Vector, as we have seen Shark and Rio as seemingly human children in several flashbacks. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 03:29, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

I dunno, I would still have thought that since the other Barians who are Barian right now had their pages merged with their past lives the same would happen to Nasch and Merag also. I mean sure Nasch did have his own life experiences but if I remember correctly even his very name was the same (Ryoga) though I could be wrong about this. I just think they should be merged otherwise it's going to be very confusing eventually because you'll basically have the information on Nasch's page considering it happened to him and then you'll have it again on Shark's page because he remembered it all from being Nasch. KasaiWolf (talk • contribs) 23:18, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

What I just said also goes along with the past lives having separate pages. They had their own lives and experiences as well as seemingly different personalities. They really are not the same as their present-day Barian forms. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 23:23, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps not but if they did all have their own pages then there won't be much in those pages, only a couple of lines for Mizael and Alit due to us not knowing much about their past lives. I know the Barians were different as humans but that's something for the personality section not a different page altogether, it would be like giving Atem his own page for his old life in the past and then another one in the present with Yugi. KasaiWolf (talk • contribs) 23:42, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
First off, they do have different pages for them. Second, it does not matter how short they would be. They would be longer than the ones for the unnamed Number Holders. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 02:45, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
Enough with this stupid discussion.. Rio mentioned Ryoga with his name before she was killed by Abyss Splash which proves that Nasch and Ryoga are the same. Dark Soul Taker (talk • contribs) 06:43, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
Umm, we have already come to that conclusion. We are mainly discussing merging the pages now. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 12:09, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like you guys are having fun.Well,we still don't know if Nasch reincarnated as Shark...of if he merged his soul with Shark's when the poor kid died...the same goes for Merag/Rio.In the previews of the next episode...Vector looked like he saw a ghost,lol.And the other members of the barian nanako were staring at him rather fiercely.I imagine Nasch and Merag are going to bust him to their comrades...perhaps they will even explain this issue.We should wait a little,by episode 124-125(when this arc ends-new opening and ending coming means new arc) you guys should decide if the merge is necessary of it should be postponed.

Well,there are many hints,ever since the first episode,that Shark was definitely not your average person(I don't mean in the sense of being a main caracter),since it was too convenient that it was in his duel with yuma that Astral and the numbers showed up.there is an theory to explain how Shark was influenced so many times by the numbers...his barian nature was definitely asleep.The more he entered in contact with the numbers,the more he summoned them,the more this nature awoke,the more resistant he got to them.No human,without astral or barian powers,can control so well the numbers like Shark does.I think that this partial awakening explains how Shark created Shark Drake Veiss,a CHAOS number.oh well,this just conjectureBusted01 (talk • contribs) 00:26, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

well thanks to episodes 125-129, we now know that shark and rio will except there destiny as nasch and merag. superlmno(Superlmno (talk • contribs) 22:26, September 20, 2013 (UTC))

Lets not base this on episode descriptions. However, thanks to today's episode we know that for sure. So, I guess its time to merge? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 14:21, September 22, 2013 (UTC)
I still think there is no need to merge and that we should split the other articles. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:51, September 22, 2013 (UTC)
Hate to break to you Cheesedude but, THERE IS FINALLY SOME EVIDENCE THAT SHARK AND NASCH ARE THE SAME!!! ALONG WITH RIO AND MERAG!!. Sorry for yelling but this finally proves the theory, I mean look at the Burno and Vizor situation. I say we finally merge those pages together okay. Episode 121 finally proves it, even if we didn't see the wtwo transform.--im gay (talk • contribs) 19:03, September 22, 2013 (UTC)
I never said there wasn't. Read my posts above. I'm fully aware of the situation. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:21, September 22, 2013 (UTC)
I am gonna have to agree with him on that. Shark and Nasch at this point have become one and the same. I will however, support your idea of creating separate pages for the Barians' past lives. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 19:23, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Screw it, let's just merge 'em all! MERGE! MERGE! MWAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!Over-HundredLegendaryChaosShiningNumbers (talk • contribs) 19:32, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

The past lives idea sounds good. This whole situation as with Nasch and Shark could be left as like Jaden and the Supreme king as there were the same person but on different lives and their pages where never merged. DracoX (talk • contribs) 19:39, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm… Despite the Shark/Nasch situation as we know it, we may have to see Shark's/Nasch's behavior as a Barian before we can convince others to support the merge… NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 19:57, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Just accept the facts! Your oh so precious Rio and Ryoga are gone! Nothing but a thing of the past! They are now Merag and Nasch! Therefore, we should merge this page! MWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!Over-HundredLegendaryChaosShiningNumbers (talk • contribs) 20:06, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Ignoring Over-HundredLegendaryChaosShiningNumbers's um crazy laugh, no offence and minus my crazy rant, I say the merge is eventful. Besides, even if Jaden and the Supreme King are different, as Bastion once stated to Jaden, they are two halves of the same coin. Meaning there are the same person. I mean look at Bruno and Vizor, we list them as the same character, how is that different? Sorry about my rant.--im gay (talk • contribs) 20:48, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

I think the conversation has derailed. Let me try this: There is a difference between "Nasch, the ruler of the United Lands of the Poseidon Ocean" and "Nasch, the ruler of the Barian World". Information about the first would be in Nasch's article. Information about the second would be in Shark's. That's where the split would happen. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:59, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Have you forgotten that Barian are dead people reincarnated?--im gay (talk • contribs) 21:31, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Of course not. You know who else was? YUGI! Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:40, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

lets put an end to this and just merge them, there are more people that want too merge them then leave them separate. if there not merged within the next 24 hours, i'll merge them myself superlmno(Superlmno (talk • contribs) 22:39, September 22, 2013 (UTC))

Bah democracy has it's benefits, but just because lots of people want something doesn't mean it is correct... If it is merged then so should the Supreme King and Jaden etc... I can see good reasons either side... but I think it would be ice to have something conclude this beyond a mere vote. *shrugs* --slave(command) 13:16, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Should the Shark page be merged with the Nasch page?[edit]

Kinda stole UltimateKuriboh's idea, but this will help settle this. Just add your signatures below for yes/no, and use the comments section for in-depth explanation.

Yes[edit]

F8lfire (talk • contribs) 15:57, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

No[edit]

--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 15:46, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Comments[edit]

  • The fact that Shark is Nasch has finally been revealed. Especially with what was seen in the new episode, there really shouldn't be too much debate on this. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 13:32, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
  • Solely because I think it would be more readable rather than (potentially) reading Nasch, Shark, Nasch (Shark?) or whatever given that within the one life the soul goes from using the name Shark to the name Nasch... Bugs me if we can not work out how we will consistently deal with such issues *cough*Supreme King-Jaden Yuki*cough*--slave(command) 13:49, September 25, 2013 (UTC
  • They're the same person. It's not like it will turn out into something like:- Shark: "Yuma, we're great friends and...agh" Nasch: "Shark is no more, for I have taken over his personality." It's time for some people to just accept the truth, rewatch the latest episodes and stop trying to promote inefficiency. Democracy has its downside and that is this. It's like the veto power of the United Nations, just because one superpower doesn't like it, it can drag everyone down. Please, stop declining what the majority have decided on together and just merge the page. Being selfish and using "veto" on our decision isn't getting you anywhere other than showing how uncooperative and self-centered you are.Samhiuy (talk • contribs) 14:10, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
...I am not trying to veto anything; I merely wished to put forward that I think a debate is much more useful than a mere vote, but that isn'treally relevent other than trying to explain myself which is merely egotistical because if you ahdn't noticed I "voted" Yes... ah whatever. --slave(command) 00:03, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
No, I'm not referring to you. I am pointing at the general community that does not want this to be merged. I mean look, it has been discussed for so long whether it should be merged or not and till now not a single action has been taken. It's really like how politics work, people just don't like to agree on one thing.Samhiuy (talk • contribs) 09:30, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
Oh okay.. sorry then >_< :( --slave(command) 12:30, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes, the content in both pages should be merged into Shark's page. I still feel each "past life" should be a separate, but merging Shark and Nasch's bios was never in question. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 15:51, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
  • I had held off in entering the discussion, but after seeing the recent episodes, I think it should be. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 16:01, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
None of you guys understood what Cheesedude was saying. Of course this page should be merged; however, his past life/incarnation as a ruler of that 1 kingdom should be separated from that, much like Pharaoh Atem and Yami Yugi. Read the argument the "opposition" is making Samhiuy, before making crude objections. The same applies for everyone else that misunderstood Cheesedude. As another example of previous "incarnations" or "past lives" being separate articles, I nominate Shoko from the Adventure Time Wiki, who was a past life (or previous incarnation) of Finn. Don't try and argue they were separated because of gender; the fact of the matter is that they are the same "spirit". The same applies for Farmworld Finn, who was the same person as Finn, albeit in a different timeline. --UltimateKuriboh (talk • contribs) 16:18, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
For the record, I understood completely. Separate Past Life Nasch, merge Nasch and Shark. Not exactly a difficult point, but I can see how people may have gotten confused. But, back to the main issue. So far, 8 Yes, 0 No. To be safe, lets wait another 24 hours before starting the merge. Also, (though it may be a little stupid to say this) lets not forget to merge the pages of another certain Barian with her human persona. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 16:43, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
None? Aren't you generalizing? Incidentally, did I ever mention Cheesedude in my paragraph? I am not making a crude objection, when did I ever object something? Cheesedude's idea is to keep separate pages for Nasch of the Poseidon and Nasch of the Barian right? How is that related to this discussion? First of all, the two separate pages are Shark/Nasch and Nasch of the Barian. Shark is a reincarnation of Nasch, but the page includes both of them. If you're so insistent on creating a separate page for past lives, then do so. That does not affect nor is related to the why isn't the two pages are merged now. Shark and Nasch of the Barian are one given that he has awaken now. So why don't anyone merge the two page, pick the Nasch of Poseidon part out and create a new page for that Nasch? You get my point? Right now all people are doing is keeping Shark and Nasch of Barian away from each other despite the fact that they are one and the same as of now. Go create a new page for Nasch and stop objecting the merging of Shark/Nasch(Barian). There, clear and simple and this is exactly what Cheesedude wants. Happy? What other factors are there still holding back the merging the pages? If you want to know why I am speaking so crudely, it's because I'm annoyed at how you people act like the seniors with much more wisdom, but could not even come up with a simple solution to this mess. I am disappointed.Samhiuy (talk • contribs)
  • Someone went and deleted almost the entire "Reginald Kastle" article. Is this part of the merger? On the matter of this topic, my opiniion is that it would be much simplier to merge all Sharks/Naschs together. Things are not as blurry as they were in DM. In ZEXAL, it is completely clear who got reincarnated as who. Dennis Phantom (talk • contribs) 11:06, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
  • Shark was born of human parents. How do you explain that? Hold off until we have all the information or else we'll have to go through and make a page for Shark all over again. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 15:49, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
  • Adoption. Plus, you are the only one who disagrees. Again, let the merge begin! NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 15:52, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
    • Come on, admit it. You don't know. Don't just claim something you don't know. I'm the only one who seems to be taking the past into account. We oughta wait until we have all the fact. Atem and Yami Yugi are the same and yet their are two pages for them. Why is that? Why can't that be applied here? Because I'm the only one considering we still know little about the whole Nasch/Shark thing?--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 15:56, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

I can see why people might abject but after 122, the case is more or less closedF8lfire (talk • contribs) 15:57, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

    • Yeah, settle down Rocket.knight.777. I am not claiming I know anything about the whole parent thing. And no, we do not know everything about the Shark/Nasch situation, but we know more than enough to merge them. Any new info can be recorded on the new page. As for Atem and Yami Yugi, that is a reincarnation thing, which is a different case. The pages are going to be merged. This matter is closed. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 16:02, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
      • Not quite. It seems you guys aren't taking everything into account. Don Thousand said Vector killed the Nasch and Merag, right? So it's more than possible they were somehow reborn as Shark and Rio because they are Nasch and Merag's descendants (somewhat implied by the fact the symbol for Nasch's kingdom is seen as the Kastle family mansion). If that's the case, do Shark and Rio still count as Nasch and Merag? or are they vessels like Yugi was for Atem? Any journalist worth their career would wait to have all the details before running a story. What if were wrong here? A lot of people have made reference to the standards on this wiki. Don't through standard say something about running with half-baked ideas? Look, I'm not trying to be a dick here, but come on; think about it.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:07, September 26, 2013 (UTC)


If that's the case, then HOW did THEY get THEIR BARIAN FORMS back? Explain THAT, hm?


Tom13 (talk • contribs) 16:09, September 26, 2013 (UTC)Tom13

  • I can't, but explain to me how Nasch and Merag could come to Earth as little kids and (as one person suggested) let themselves be adopted by humans? So far the Barains have had the same phsyical appearance when they came to Earth as when they left it? Can you honestly say that Nasch and Merag can break that rule because they're the Leaders of the Barian World? Plus, they want to rule us, not live with us.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:14, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
  • Plus, how do you explain Shark and Rio not knowing who they were up until about two weeks ago? There's something else going on here.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:20, September 26, 2013 (UTC)


  • it dosent really matter HOW they got their forms, all that matters is that they DID. the case is closed. the "yes'" have it. if story events dictate that the pages need to be changed latter on then they'll be changed, but as to stay as accurate and current as possible the Shark and Nasch will merge, as will Rio and Merag as per the census of votes.
and as far as "they want to rule us, not live with us" there's no proof that the Barians (with the exception of Vector and Don thousand), have any motivation passed saving their world and people, there's no proof they want to rule earth.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 16:21, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
  • Oh, come on! You can't honestly tell you're willingly going to throw all the other information out the window just because Shark and Rio became Nasch and Merag. There's more the story here. All I'm saying is wait till next episode (maybe the final confrontation between Yuma and Nasch) and you'll see I may be right. You want this to be as accurate as possible, then you should at least have all the facts. All we have is a select few bits that the writers are just leaving here and there to make assumptions with. And if you put it all together you'll see we don't yet have enough to fully confirm that Shark and Nasch and Rio and Merag are each one and the same. There are still gaps to the story.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:30, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Calm down. I never said i was throwing anything out of the window, or that things were set in stone, but what i am saying is that by a census of votes, the pages will be merged. if in the end new information is revealed that requires the pages to become separate then we can separate them again. It isn't that big of a deal, if the pages are merged and were are revealed to be wrong we'll just change it again, it isn't like being wrong is gonna cause the wiki to disintegrate so just calm down and stop taking every little thing so seriously and over-the-top.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 16:38, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

  • This "agreement" doesn't seem to be taking everything into account though. I'm fighting from this to save y'all the trouble. It's easy to merge something, but harder t un-merge it, right? I mean seriously, if we're wrong here, do you really want to go through the hassle of splitting the information up again. I mean, by that time it'll to late to press undo and you'll have to dig all the relevant info out of one page and onto it's own (twice if we merge Rio and Merag). But seriously, we can't be jumping the gun on these things. It just turns out to be a waste of time if we end up wrong.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:47, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
    • Its not jumping the gun if we have the facts we need. Nasch and Shark are the same person. No, we don't have all the details, but that is ok for now. Shark and Rio are the missing Barian Emperors Nasch and Merag, respectively. I am going to try to be a nice guy here, but you need to accept the fact that the pages will be merged. That is all there is to it. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 16:58, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
      • But that's the thing...we don't. We still have gaps in story. Nasch and Shark may not be the same person. If they were, how could they have forgotten who he was? But fine, I'll stop. No skin off my nose. I'm not the one who'll have to undo everything when the truth comes out. I'll just be the one who's right. (Sorry for that cheap shot, but it just seemed like something to throw in.)--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:04, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
        • Say whatever you need to say if it helps you sleep at night, Rocket. :) NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 17:06, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and NMBRHNTR64; Yami Yugi and Atem are not reincarnations of each other. They are the same people. Just putting it out there.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:47, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Not quite, but I was wrong as well. He is the spirit of Atem. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 16:58, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

I think what Rocket.Knight.777 is trying to say is that "Reginald Kastle" is the equivalent of little Yugi, whereas ancient Nasch is like Atem and Nasch is comparable to Yami Yugi. If it turns out this way, unmerging will be much easier that you think, Rocket. Reginald's new article will contain his life until the car accident. From there on, it's Nasch's life. Dennis Phantom (talk • contribs) 16:55, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the support Dennis. Not what I was getting at, but it's a fair sum-up. But don't be so sure Shark is still Nasch. We won't know until the end.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 16:58, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so at this point we have 12 "yes'" to a singular "no" for the merge. If in the future info dictates a necessary un-merging then let that be the case, but since we have reached a clear census on the communities desires, can we let the merge commence?F8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:08, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

(voice of Uncle from Jackie Chan Adventures) One More Thing.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:10, September 26, 2013 (UTC) JK, go ahead.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:11, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Great! Let the pages be merged! Also, when that is taken care of, we should discuss separating the past lives section from each Barian page and making them into their own pages. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 18:03, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'm still against that idea. Their past lives' pages would have almost no information whatsoever. Separating them would be meaningless, as they are the same souls with the same personalities. Dennis Phantom (talk • contribs) 18:17, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Dennis Phantom. they are literally the same people,just in different time frames, it makes no sense for them to have separate pages, it's like having a page for when a character is 10 and one for when he's 20F8lfire (talk • contribs) 18:25, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

What they said.--Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 18:28, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Same person or not, they should have separate pages. They had their own lives and experiences (and some even had different personalities) before they were reincarnated. Especially since Atem and Yami Yugi have separate pages and yet they are the same. Plus, it doesnt matter how long they are. Even the unnamed Number holders have their own pages. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 18:55, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and merge them then. I want to address Rocket Knight's concerns first though. You're right that we still don't know the full story. However, even if the explanation ends up being "Shark is possessed by the spirit of his past life", any actions he takes are still relevant to Shark, so the content would end up in two articles anyway. Undoing the merge actually isn't any more complicated than merging it the first place, so I don't see any harm in going ahead with it. I'll be redirecting "Nasch" to "Reginald Kastle". I do plan to make a separate article for the past life, which can always be merged back in there are any strong objections. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:52, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
Merged, likewise for Rio and Merag. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:27, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
Great! But one question. Should we update his character picture with his true form? And if so, should we do the same for the main page? NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 01:17, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Page move to from Reginald Kastle to Nasch[edit]

Was this the right thing to do? I don't think so, as we've known him as Reginald Kastle/Shark since the start of the series. ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 16:46, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

It was actually the other way around, and it was not moved, it was merged to Reginald's page. Yes, it was because like Bruno and Vizor, Shark and Nasch are the same person. Besides, whats done is done. Not much point in discussing it now unless necessary. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 16:48, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, but the page should still be called Reginald Kastle. That is the name he is most known by, also his identity as Nasch has a high chance of being temporary, so calling the article Nasch is unfounded. Simple Guillotine (talk • contribs) 16:53, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with simple guillotine that the page should still be Reginald Kastle(even though i hate that horrible dub name) or something like Reginald Kastle/Nasch but i dont get the whole temporary thing as he is nasch and i certainly dont get how it has a high chance of being temporary.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:00, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
@NMBRHNTER: Couldn't find the right terms when I made this topic, but thanks. I also agree with the Bruno/Vizor case that you pointed out.ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 16:56, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
Heh, NP. Moving and merging are similar. I can see how someone can get confused. NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 17:04, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
By "temporary," I mean that there is an abnormally high chance that once he's defeated, he will stop identifying himself as Nasch. So the ratio of when he calls himself Nasch and when he calls himself Shark would be 1:4; therefore, it would be infeasible to call the article Nasch when he was known by his human name for 4/5ths of the series. Also, Rio Kastle kept her human name after being merged, so the merger probably made a mistake on this one. Simple Guillotine (talk • contribs) 17:06, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
that dosent rally make any sense, i mean, even if he's beaten he's still Nasch, once the Tron family was beaten they still went by their codenames. And as NMBRHNT64 said if we go by common names then yes the page would be named Shark,as there are only 3 people in the show that call him by his actual name.F8lfire (talk • contribs) 17:19, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
How is that a mistake? We go by the "common name" thing. We name character pages by the name of which they most commonly known. Of course, when considering this, the page should be renamed "Shark". NMBRHNTR64 (talk • contribs) 17:09, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
It is a mistake because the article isn't called by the character's common name. If it weren't a mistake, then this discussion wouldn't exist... Simple Guillotine (talk • contribs) 17:12, September 29, 2013 (UTC)


Anybody find it strange that when he's uncovering his identity as a Barian, his crest is the same as that of his old army's? Not to mention with everything that happened recently, Nasch and Shark were not exactly the same person but two different people entirely. This is just an idea: the Original Reginald and Rio's physical appearance is far from coincidental, so could it be that the original Reginald and Rio Kastle could very much be descended from Nasch himself?? --Steel Scarlet Spider (talk • contribs) 14:43, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

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