Talk:Number/Archive 1

Archetype name

According to the Japanese Kana(ナンバーズ), it should be 'Numbers'. However, 'No.' is the acronym of 'Number'. So, which one?Furuzuki (talk • contribs) 15:42, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

The archetype itself are Numbers, while each individual monster is a number, which explains why nobody uses "No." to describe them as a whole, and instead uses the full word...Or I could just be blowing smoke rings, but that's what it seems like to me. In the show, they refecence "Numbers" like it's some type of entity. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.A Wikia contirutor (talk • contribs) 15:59, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Try thinking "Tech Genus" in Japan, they changed into T.G. in America. Do same with this archetype. As well as poor Red-Eyes B. Dragon, the only 1 of trio had his name reduced to B. instead of full Black. (Other being Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes WHITE Dragon) Same thing with comic, they put "No. craps" at corner of the pretty picture. --FredCat 16:01, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

So, if we want to address a single monster from this archetype, should we call them 'Number' or 'Numbers' or 'No.'?Furuzuki (talk • contribs) 16:23, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Various would suit you well. I called "T.G." Tech Genus sometimes, ever through they were abbr. --FredCat 16:29, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well, do the Jp say "Elemental Hero" or "E-Hero" as it's E-Hero on the cards, no?, so "It's a Number" or "It's one of the Numbers" looks to work,-Resk™ (Talk) 13:26, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

It's either way, really.--Jaden96 (talk • contribs) 15:09, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

That's a very good point. The cards say "E-Hero" and "No.", but characters in the anime clearly pronounce the names as "Elemental Hero" and "Numbers". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:03, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Volcasaurus

What is the meaning Volcasaurus  ?

— This unsigned comment was made by 188.236.133.145 (talk • contribs) 20:48, May 16, 2011

Utopia or No. 39 Aspiring Emperor Hope

— This unsigned comment was made by 188.236.181.196 (talk • contribs) 12:03, May 21, 2011

Do you that Volcasaurus his rio . Guide, please ?

— This unsigned comment was made by 95.66.1.227 (talk • contribs) 20:12, June 6, 2011

Number appearance

As I was watching 7 and 8, I had a thought about the Numbers; what if they change appearance based on their first user? For instance, Hope can represent Yuma's aspirations and hope of becoming a great duelist one day, giving him the form of a great hero. Revise Dragon can represent Shark's evil nature (his vice of stealing peoples' decks). Tera Byte can represent Ukyo's technological aspects in his plan and how it looks sort of like a bug, working with his Bugman deck (and being the perfect compliment to Super Bugman). Galaxy Queen took on the form of Fuya's mother, its possession of him similar to how his mother controls his life. Just my thoughts, what do you guys think? --DARK 02:31, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

• Possible, but let's not call anything yet, since Zexal's just started and we dunno if every-single-Number will involve its user's backstory. (If it's right, it says that Kaito has two Numbers, but believes the archetype as pure evil and hunts them down) MarxMayhem (talk • contribs) 03:40, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
  • Didn't mean just add it in, but if the pattern continues, maybe we should. But either way, Tenjou wouldn't be a good example, since he probably takes the Numbers from people who have them (can't assume though, haven't been able to read the manga, which is where he's appeared so far). --DARK 03:55, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Volcasaurus and Unknown member Number Location Original Owner Rank Attribute Type ATK DEF ? by 188.236.181.196 (talk • contribs) 11:20, May 17, 2011 — This unsigned comment was made by 188.236.213.189 (talk • contribs) 20:20, June 17, 2011

Original Owner

Yuma Tsukumo does not have number . announced yuma tsukumo has number 39 original owner ? — This unsigned comment was made by 188.236.144.56 (talk • contribs) 09:17, June 18, 2011

Serial

Serial yu gi zeal does not appear he has number 39 left shoulder plate — This unsigned comment was made by 188.236.144.56 (talk • contribs) 09:20, June 18, 2011

???

Astral cannot own his own number, because he's searching for them, and Yuma got Utopia, because he's connected with Astral, if he wan'nt connected to him, he for sure have got it later. (Excuse me if i wrote wrong, I'm not from US). — This unsigned comment was made by Omojuze (talk • contribs) 12:39, June 19, 2011

Kaito Tenjo won those numbers (White Knight Eliminator and Ant Soil Brili-ant) from someone else, that means he's not their original owner. — This unsigned comment was made by Omojuze (talk • contribs) 10:57, June 20, 2011

There is no evidence that someome possessed them before him. That's why don't remove him. --178.223.172.235 (talk) 11:09, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

There is. In spoilers for Chapter 7, he is dueling against someone, who apparently is the original owner of Ant. I suggest to change Original Owner into Owners or Known Owners, and list everyone who had said card. Kuribohfan

Oh, crap. Only one needs to be listed. That column should list who Yuma and Astral obtained the card from. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:19, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Than there is a need to change "Original Owner", since it will be misleading. Kuribohfan

That image of numbers

...Am I the only one who thinks that image looks awesome? Though I wonder what an entire font of that would look like(provided, it existed) ---Tenga 23:08, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Source for Dix?

It was added by an unregistered user who never gave a source. Golden Key (talk • contribs) 21:05, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Sealed form

Why don't we upload images for the Sealed Forms instead of attempting to describe them? -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:24, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. It's stretching the table too much, but I do think we they need some mention in the article. Maybe a subsection detailing them and a gallery at the bottom, like the ones at Critias. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 09:11, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

I'm thinking of something like this:

Monster	Number	Number Location	Original Owner	Sealed Form	Rank	Attribute	Type	ATK	DEF
Volcasaurus	61	Left chest spike	Rikuo		5	FIRE	Dinosaur	2500	1000

Similar to Mark_of_the_Dragon#Owners. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 02:10, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 09:09, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I am YRPOtaku169. I am the one who originally put up the Sealed Forms category. I apologize for creating the lengthy descriptions, but I think your idea to simply use the image is so much better.

Trivia

Xyz Monsters are said to come from an another dimension just like Astral, this probably explains why "Numbers" are Xyz Monster. Xyz Monsters are also said to be made of anti-matter, this probably hints the "Number's" future role in destroying all universes as Kaito Tenjo claims.

Is this mentioned in the anime or confirmed by some reliable source? --178.223.177.81 (talk) 14:16, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

According to Konami, all Xyz Monsters are made of antimatter, so this would extend to the Numbers. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:26, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Real number of Numbers

It seems there are 100 not 99, accroding to Kaito Tenjo from chapter 7 and episode 13. --Aged Goblin (talk • contribs) 21:54, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'm thinking it was a misunderstanding. There are 100, but Astral says 99 because he has 1 already, Hope. That makes the remaining amount of his scattered memories becomes 99. Order (talk • contribs) 10:07, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yea, "Number 39: Utopia" is what Astral still holding till he met Yuma. --FredCat 10:19, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, this may be weird, but i'm guessing that there's 101 "Numbers". After he took Number 17: Leviathan Dragon, he said he had to collect 99 "Numbers" to recover his memories, right? what if Leviathan Dragon didn't count as part of 99 since he just got it. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 01:06, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Good catch. It may be. However, Kaito claims there 100 of them. He surely got this information from Dr. Faker and Mr. Heartland. And there is "CNo. 39", which seems to be an extra Number since Astral didn't get any new memory nor the memory of "No. 39" was extended. --The Goblin (talk • contribs) 01:13, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I dont think CNos are part of the 100 Nos, like Majestic, Cosmic and Asaultmodes arent part of the Signer Dragons. And i believe there are 100 Nos and Astral said 99 despite having 2, because he had Utopia at the beginning. So he had to aquire a total of 99 numbers that were scattered over the city. utopia was never scattered, thats why it isnt counted towards the 99 "Lost" Numbers. By the way, what do you think, will there be a No 100 or a No 00? I think it will be 00 because that would make all numbers two digit. we never saw a number below 10 so we dont know yet if they will be 01-09 or 1-9. If they are really one digit it might be possible that they have a special role. --SG-27 (talk • contribs) 08:47, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, for some reason, both Astral (from episode 22) and Dr. Faker (from episode 31) said that there are 99 numbers all together. 70.79.73.202 (talk) 03:39, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Mistake Corrections

"As seen in episodes 10 and 13, a person possessed by a Number easily becomes addicted to their power and desires to obtain more Numbers." is wrong, it should be "As seen in episode 11... In episode 11 Rikuo and Kaio wanted to take Yuma's Numbers, and in episode 10 no new Numbers were shown. — This unsigned comment was made by 201.192.44.110 (talk • contribs) 14:36, July 12, 2011

Corrected. --Aged Goblin (talk • contribs) 15:42, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Based on episode 13 and 14, Dr. Faker appears to be the one that claims that Numbers will destroy all the universes, not Kaito, Kaito appears to hunt the Numbers only to heal Haruto. Also Dr. Faker might be lying to Kaito about the Numbers being the solution to heal Haruto. — This unsigned comment was made by 201.192.44.110 (talk • contribs) 14:34, July 13, 2011

Influence on holders

We've seen that the Numbers' powers kind of drive their owners mad and make them do things they wouldn't normally, and have them search for more Numbers. As it drives them mad, and Jin has at least 3 Numbers expected, the most of all people who are not immune to them, could it be it drives them completely nuts? Maybe a mention in the article. — This unsigned comment was made by 62.194.220.216 (talk • contribs) 13:57, August 2, 2011

• Jin described the Numbers as (if i remember correctly) "Wicked beast that consume their holder's hearts and take away their souls". That should be added in the abilities or story section. — This unsigned comment was made by 201.192.44.110 (talk • contribs) 14:51, August 5, 2011

Other

Utopia Ray shoud be noted in trivia or be included in different location!!! Also I suggest to not upload number monsters that aren;t yed appeared in the anime... I will wait for a reply Omojuze*

How Hope Ray fits in here isn't yet known. Numbers aren't an archetype, despite how we classify them. They have no support cards, so including Hope Ray won't be a problem. And any confirmed Numbers should be listed. Monsters confirmed for release in the OCG or that appear in the manga should not be excluded. This page is for all info pertaining to Numbers, not just in-universe anime info. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:38, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't we at least change the page to say that there are 101 Numbers now or that there are two 39s or something along those lines? --Blackstone Dresden (talk • contribs) 19:45, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

utopia ray is a chaos number, not a regular number. CNO 39 should be listed differently from regular NOs like Signer dragons and majestic/Assault/Cosmic Forms. Something like this: Numbers: No. 17 Revise Dragon No. 39 Utopia Chaos Numbers: No. 39 Utopia Ray

And the page shouldnt say, there are 101 Numbers, since Numbers and Chaosnumbers share a number and the CNO is a evolved Form of regular number. As with the signer dragons page: There are only 6 Signer dragons not 13. --SG-27 (talk • contribs) 06:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Xyz Energy

Why isn't Xyz Energy part of the Numbers? The image has Utopia on it and so does Utopian Aura. Leviathan Dragon is on Xyz Veil and that's part of the archetype. so why isn't the Spell Xyz Energy part of the archetype? — This unsigned comment was made by 24.63.200.114 (talk • contribs) 21:48, August 16, 2011

I don't think its picture has anything to do with "Numbers" not sure. May by "Dinoguy1000", "Fredcat100", "..." knows.--Wasn't (talk • contribs) 22:02, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

It appears to have "Archrelate1" with Number included, but just glitch to not show up in the navibox... D-Neos or his machine technology buddies would know what to do. As I had some discuss with him about box issues in the past. --FredCat 22:04, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

True, but with a one-time combo of xyz veil and xyz energy that i just thought up of (depending on the xyz material) would make a number lesser or more indestructible. — This unsigned comment was made by 24.63.200.114 (talk • contribs) 22:09, August 16, 2011

Jin's Numbers

It's noted that Jin possesses a 3rd "Unknown" number. However during his duel with Yuma only Big Eye was absorbed by Astral. Could that 2nd number (later taken by Kaito) actually be Shock Ruler? Fuel Synchron (talk • contribs) 20:53, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

You may say that, but we have no source that it's Shock Ruler. And you misspell third, it's 3-rd, not thind. --FredCat 21:00, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

When Astral takes the Numbers from Jin, you can see two cards fly towards him if you look closely. I initially assumed that Kaito did get Shock Ruler until someone else pointed that out to me. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:20, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

It might be acid golem too... is it confirm to be kaito's or is it the one kaito take from jin? -Lpoi (talk • contribs) 11:24, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Chaos Number 39

Organize the problem of two 39s some how? It's not right. Separate section for alternate Numbers Monsters or C39 or something? — This unsigned comment was made by 72.94.111.94 (talk • contribs) 02:56, September 7, 2011

Original & Current Owners

Ok, so exactly HOW do we know that a character is NOT the Original Owner of a Number card?? Example is Illumiknight for Kaito. How do we know that Kaito is NOT the original owner of Illumiknight? Is a duel shown when Kaito was hunting for Illumiknight? I think not. Did Konami or V Jump reveal anything bout the Original owners? Cause i think those are just Speculations 33royward (talk • contribs) 12:32, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Kaito is a Numbers Hunter. He takes Numbers from other people. He did not have any Numbers of his own to begin with. He steals them and the souls of the Duelists after beating them. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:34, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

How do u know that he didnot have a Number to begin with? Even other Numbers Hunter have an original Number to start like Jin for Big Eye and Yuma for Utopia. Maybe Illumiknight or Ant or maybe Acid Golem is the Original Number of Kaito. 33royward (talk • contribs) 12:41, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Because it contradicts his backstory. He hates the Numbers because he believes they cause his brother's illness. He uses them as tools to help him defeat more of them. Him having one to begin with makes no logical sense at all. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:26, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

Even though it makes no logical sense, it was NOT revealed in the anime. Those kind of things need to be confirmed in the anime. There was no other person that shows possession of illumiknight, Ant (theres a difference in the manga) and Acid Golem therefore making the "Original Owner" of these cards is Kaito. We can change Kaito as the original owner IF there will be a backstory when Kaito is hunting for Illumiknight etc. 33royward (talk • contribs) 08:04, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

True. However, we don't know if Kaito was the original owner OR if there was another owner. Therefore, we should be using "Unknown". That accurately encompasses both possibilities. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:44, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Role of the Key and Tetsuo's shrugging off 39's influence

When fighting Black Mist, Tetsuo summons Utopia/Hope and shrugs off it's effect on him. The page says its possible to avoid it temporarily, but both he and Shark, when using Utopia and Acid Golem, had the Emperor's Key with them at the time, so shouldn't the Key get a mention as it seems to be a tool to help Astral and his current partner to collect the number without trouble? — This unsigned comment was made by 62.194.220.216 (talk • contribs) 13:53, September 7, 2011

The Emperor's Key might have other abilities other than immunity. We don't even know what "Zexal" mean. 5ds= 5 dragons, GX= gerneration next, etc.--Wasn't 20:44, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

And only Yuma was not being possessing - Astral did. --FredCat 20:47, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

owners in table

#	Monster	Number Location	Previous Owner(s)	Current Owner	Sealed Form	Rank	Attribute	Type	ATK	DEF
10	Illumiknight	Right shoulder plate	-	Kaito Tenjo		4	LIGHT	Warrior	2400	2400

Does anyone know how to get "Owner(s)" in a single category with a "Previous" and "Current" as subcategories, side by side while underneath "Owner(s)"? i just want to do this, so it's less crowded. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 06:20, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

maybe something like this?

#	Monster	Number Location	Owner(s)	Sealed Form	Rank	Attribute	Type	ATK	DEF
11	Big Eye	Front of outer ring	Jin Yuma/Astral(current)		4	DARK	Spellcaster	2600	2000

33royward (talk • contribs) 06:44, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

That could work, but let's separate them by putting them in different box. like top box is for previous owners and the bottom box is for the current owner(s). LastMinute (talk • contribs) 07:50, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

hmmm, i think you should ask someone who is good with these tables cause i dont really get these kind of things xD 33royward (talk • contribs) 11:07, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

#	Monster	Number Location	Owner(s)		Sealed Form	Rank	Attribute	Type	ATK	DEF
			Previous	Current
10	Illumiknight	Right shoulder plate	-	Kaito Tenjo		4	LIGHT	Warrior	2400	2400
39	Utopia	Left shoulder plate	Astral, Yuma, Tetsuo	Yuma/Astral		4	LIGHT	Warrior	2500	2000

That's the 1st suggestion.

The 2nd suggestion of top/bottom box for Owners on each one gets really complicated. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:06, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Proof for Number 44

Has, whoever put up the name for Number 44 Phoenix Knight, presented proof?

F.E.A.R. (talk • contribs) 22:34, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

The original Number

I've just watched the subbed episode 22. I know it may sound odd, but according to Dr. Faker, Astral is the original Number. --The Goblin (talk • contribs) 20:22, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

It does sorta make sense with the Number cards being Astral's memories. Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:20, August 23, 2012 (UTC) Is'nt utopia the original Nuumber makes sense when you think about the Pandora box.--Veriteo (talk • contribs) 20:16, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Number 7: Lucky Stripe

Lately, there's been proof for the newest addition to the "Numbers", "Lucky Stripe". Can someone please add it to the list of "Numbers"? Thanks! --Yes, it's PSYCHID! ^{He talks! He does stuff!} 18:48, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

New Number

image from the latest manga chapter

http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111019/15/5587492820111019152025088.jpg

it's No. 50 Black Corn, but no other info known yet aside from its name.

— This unsigned comment was made by 118.96.11.119 (talk • contribs) 07:21, October 26, 2011

Number 15

Should its only owner be IV since he uses a puppet deck? we should delete the unknown in "previous" section. 24.83.215.20 (talk) 03:45, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Manga Numbers

• A new manga Number has just recently been revealed. It's Number 91. Don't know the name, though, but people assume it's a Sea-Serpent Type. It was recently shown in neoarkcradle in Zexal Rank 13. — This unsigned comment was made by 24.63.200.114 (talk • contribs) 22:34, December 15, 2011

Manga Numbers Row Background

Manga rows on the graph should be color-coded. Give Manga Number Monsters a color through their row, while the Anime Number Monsters rows remain white. — This unsigned comment was made by 71.175.139.79 (talk • contribs) 10:50, December 23, 2011

Owners

In the current page, we can see the list of owners as "Previous" and "Current". Aren't the Numbers blank cards that model themselves based on their owner's deck? In my opinion the list should as well say the Numbers' respective original owners, from who they got that form. Example, Syuta for Number 25. Sure, just listing the confirmed original owners (or if it strongly suggests they are but it's not confirmed, a note of "uncertain" or something like that could be added). Just suggesting because I think interesting to know the original Number holders. LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 22:48, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Character Versions

For now, we have pages for a character version of 2 Numbers: Utopia and Black Mist. But if all Numbers have a personality and stuff, so shouldn't all them have a character page? Well, maybe it is unnecessary to make an article about a character version of a card that appeared half an episode, but I don't know, just to see other opinions. LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) January 2nd, 2012, 13:16 (UTC)

In some cases, yes. I think Galaxy Queen needs an article, for example. On the other hand, something like Focus Force doesn't - it really didn't have any characterization, it was just another Number. A lot of them would be very short articles, just detailing what the did to the mind of the character they possessed - which is easily dealt with in that character's biography. So in most cases, no, I don't think they all need articles. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:59, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Looks like we think the same. I was thinking in creating an article to Galaxy Queen, when I decided to ask this first. So, I'm going to create articles for some Numbers who showed more characterization, like her. LegenaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) January 2nd, 2012, 23:21 (UTC)

Not all of them required an article at once. Just wait till they were giving more personality details then you can do so. If you think Number 83: Galaxy Queen is more suit to speaking, then please try again because it's only time she had spoken and not begged Yuma from trying to kill her in the battle. It was Yuma's choice to leaving Galaxy Queen alone and net some damage on that card's former owner without destroy her directly or at least attack on her. Only Utopia and that madness Black Mist have show more characteristic than rest of other numbers. --FredCat 23:49, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but didn't it seem that Galaxy Queen had a greater degree of control of Fuya than a usual Number? Didn't she legitimately cause him to believe she was his mother? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 01:29, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

She did make him believe that (she talked to him), and he willingly obeyed her orders. Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 01:41, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

Well, Galaxy Queen did show a lot more sentience than others, but it didn't really give us a whole lot to go with, unlike 96. All that can be said is that she controlled Fuya, transformed when changed battle positions (which is on her trivia page last I checked), and that she gave her power to 96. I'll have to say no, there just isn't enough and most of it can be simply put in the card's trivia page. Jamesfury (talk • contribs) 21:22, January 3, 2012 (UTC)

More Info on the tab.

Would adding a "number of Overlay Units/Xyz Material required to summon" make the tab too stuffy?

Cause there is no overall difference between Rank 4 Utopia that uses 2 monsters, and Rank 4 Thunder-Spark that uses 5 monsters, well except gameplay / difficulty of summoning... Is such info needed or it's useless. ^^?

Fuel Synchron (talk • contribs) 13:50, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Real Number again...

Um, I'm sorta confused that there's 100 numbers when both Astral and Dr. Faker said there are only 99 numbers, even after collecting a whole bunch of them. Kaito says 100, not sure where he got that. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 23:32, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Astral said there are other 99 Numbers, since he held "Number 39: Utopia" at that time. And Dr. Faker think there are physical 99 Number Cards while Astral is the 100th. Kaito think it don't matter and decided that there are 100 Numbers exist. --FredCat 00:22, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

well actually we can expect number 0 because even if the 0 doesn't count anything is also a number so there are 100 numbers if we count number 0--Yugx5dszexal (talk • contribs) 10:51, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Non-sense, only from 1 to 100, not from 0 to 99. So don't bother bring that question up again. --FredCat 11:01, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Numbers original?

what is the meaning of this word? yuma has the numbers original?Jaden232

That refers to Astral (people like Gauche have stated he was the Original Number). Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 19:57, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, people like Dr Faker and those associated with him, as well as Tron Family. -- The Goblin  Talk  19:04, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Explaination, please!

I'd like to know why the cards related to the Numbers have been taken out of the box. — This unsigned comment was made by 74.94.153.49 (talk • contribs) 16:40, March 12, 2012

Because they're not. Multiple people agreed at Forum:Archetype definition (again) that appearing in a card's artwork does not make it related to an archetype. We've only recently gotten around to modifying pages to comply with that new consensus, since the discussion had other, more important things to fix first. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:57, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

message

Somebody is messing up with Number archtype? "188.236.5.81" did it's latest edit.--Wasn't 00:12, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Numbers Table

Hey guys, do you think we should lessen the contents of the table shown in this page? Like put in the only thing that is necessary about the monsters being Numbers. Like removing the Attribute, Type, ATK and DEF because i think those aren't necessary in the table. ----SharkTenjo 05:05, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. The table is too complex for editing. -- The Goblin  I'm feelin' the flow  12:27, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

So should you change it? ----SharkTenjo 12:35, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Keep Monster, Number Location, Owner(s) and Sealed Form, scrap the rest, which can be seen in the List of "Number" cards. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 12:51, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

^ This, plus the "#" column. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 12:53, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Whos gonna edit it? ----SharkTenjo 13:11, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Done. -- The Goblin  I'm feelin' the flow  13:28, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Number Location

Hey do you think that we should print screen the Number Location instead of describing where it is similar to the Sealed Form? because describing it seems kinda pointless, maybe a zoomed-in of the Number from a Tag Force artwork or screenshot from the anime? ----SharkTenjo 04:59, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Someone just uploaded a close-up capture, and the picture itself doesn't give the best idea of the number location if you don't know how the monster looks. In my opinion, the description is more effective than such pictures. -- The Goblin  I'm feelin' the flow  21:44, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed with Goblin, it's just silly look while we can just going to card's name and simple look at the card's image or avatar (if they don't release the official card frame yet) to see where it would be location on. --iFredCat 21:53, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Include Number Monster Itself on graph

With the extra room now for the graph, can we have the Number Monster itself next to the Sealed Form? — This unsigned comment was made by 72.94.100.19 (talk • contribs) 22:39, June 5, 2012

I disagree with this. I think the fact that the image of the card is already linked in the graph would be enough. The monster would not be something unaccessable outside this graph. --LordGeovanni- (Talk To Me) *Kupo* 21:10, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Disagree also, i see no point on showing a minature version of them in a table. But I have been thinking of putting a screencap of the number location instead of describing. i made a discussion above this post ----SharkTenjo 01:05, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Manga tags for manga-only Numbers.

Alright, I can't seem to figure out who did it, so I'm going to ask up front. Whose bright idea was it to remove the manga tags for Numbers 50, 22, 91, and other (currently) manga-exclusive Number cards? Without the manga tags as it is, the chart assumes shared continuity between manga and anime and at this point, that is certainly not the case. We need the manga tags, else the reader will be left confused when reading the chart. Minhtam2448 (talk • contribs) 07:33, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

99 in Anime, 100 in Manga

As proved from what I obtained early, Astral said he required 100 Numbers to complete his memory, so should it be "Other 99 Numbers" instead of just "99 Numbers" or added Manga part to that line? --iFredCat 00:52, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

If you are referring to the first paragraph of 'story' section, then no. It uses anime not manga references. There is a separate paragraph which elaborates on the Numbers' number. You could put that in the introduction paragraph. However, keep in mind that the anime contradicts itself. --The Goblin 01:14, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, sir. That was the one you just hijacked on. And I think you should shove it up there with your godly skill grammar, since I am still terrible with my own. I am not against or agree on anything about you - I only want to give an extra point. --iFredCat 01:21, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

The Events of ZEXAL 68

After the events of today's episode, Astral seems to have full control of the Numbers Faker stole (Yuma's and Tron/Kaito's), as evident when he returned Shark Drake and Utopia to Yuma. Would that reflect this article in any way? --Manaphy12342 17:13, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

To me, it looked like Astral had to stay in the Sphere Field, but was able to get Yuma out with two "Numbers". I think if he would have been able to give Yuma all of them, he would of. I don't think there's any indication that Astral got all the other "Numbers" back. Even if he has them, he's still trapped in the Sphere Field. Either way, I think we should wait until more info is available. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:22, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Number 9 and 11 Seal Forms

As seen in here, this user believed that "Number 9: Canopy Star - Dyson Sphere" and "Number 11: Big Eye" don't have a Seal Form - which we usually see the orbit Material(s) around the Seal Forms on other Number Monsters, those two did not show any. So is that possible to believe they are NOT a Seal Form? --iFredCat 17:54, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

He continued to disagreeing, care to comment? --iFredCat 23:57, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that they aren't sealed forms, especially in Number 9's case. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:22, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Cheesedude. Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 01:18, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, Cheesy - I only wanna keep it in peace discussion, instead of edit-warring. So go ahead, Rocket, take them- Oh wait, you already did that. --iFredCat 15:55, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know, as you seen Dyson Sphere's Overlay Units are in it's panels so, maybe it's a sealed form... 91.146.145.130 (talk) 16:50, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ohh, and i forgot to mention that you can't see the Overlay Units when you check Shark Drake Vice's, so Big Eye's can be a sealed too... 91.146.145.130 (talk) 16:56, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'm willing to go in on 9 having a sealed form, even though it is more or less folded in on itself (which the other sealed forms are not), but 11 does not have a sealed form. It just appears. It does not start out as anything. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 04:57, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly disagree numbers 88, 69, 53 and 33 are monsters without sealed forms and what happens when their summoned if the just appear number 11 and 9 start out as one thing a change into another like the rest of the numbers that have seals forms. The cartoonist could have just forgotten to add the overlay units it happens.--Ovidkid (talk • contribs) 04:10, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, friend, but I'm afraid you proved yourself wrong. IF they were meant to have sealed forms, they would have been given them. 11 appeared in the same way as 69 (and I think 53, but it's been a while seen I saw that ep. 9 did not change shape or form as any of the other Numbers with sealed forms did, it unfolded like most normal space machines do, so the technically means that it does not have a sealed for either (especially since it only did so when Quinton and Kite Tenjo dueled in the Space Field). --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 04:24, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well, technically, that might not exactly be true. Maybe they're just the extreme exceptions to the Sealed form issue.Quite frankly, if something as huge as Dyson Sphere didn't have a Sealed form, how come it remained invisible for a good count of 3 turns? It may not be exclusive that the displayed sun was in fact a part of it's sealed form.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 16:14, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, though I still do not believe that 9 has a sealed form, I'll give in on it, but 11 does not have one. --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 14:51, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

We still can't claim it doesn't have one, though. Unlike Coat of Arms for example, it did not emerge in a complete form out of it's portal. That summoning animation of 11's sure is suspicious.--Hawk00Refferencer (talk • contribs) 16:10, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

It's not that suspicious, it's just a summoning sequence. If every monster that appeared through a summoning sequence had a sealed form (like the CXyz), would they be counted as Numbers? would the God Cards? --Rocket.knight.777 (talk • contribs) 17:45, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yuma

Are we still assuming that Dr.Faker still possesses all the Numbers even after being defeated? (67.180.147.2 (talk) 08:22, September 18, 2012 (UTC))

We don't know what happened to them at all. Yuma may have them or they may have been destroyed when the area collapsed and/or Barian took them. For now, we could probably list the status as "unknown" for everything that's not 32 and 39. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:19, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Isn't Astral seen with the Numbers on the preview trailer for the next series? DracoX (talk • contribs) 16:48, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but it looks like the Sphere Field is behind him, which means it could just be a flashback. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:04, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

We will have to wait and see then. DracoX (talk • contribs) 17:22, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

No. 107

as it is reaveled to be number 107 shouldn't be more than 100 numbers? — This unsigned comment was made by George0x (talk • contribs) 17:24, October 7, 2012

The N107 story is unknown, we still don't know why are there more than 100 numbers because they haven't explained them. And another thing... Astral and Yuma posses Shark Drake. I know it's impossible, but here, take a good look at it. [1]. --E.G.G. (My Contributions) 21:30, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

as of the first epsode of the second series it seems that the peaple from barian can perform a chaos xyz evolution that raises the rank so number 107 could be a chaos xyz evolution of a number under 100. — This unsigned comment was made by 85.74.143.236 (talk • contribs) 19:49, October 10, 2012‎

I don't think 107 is part of the original 100 Numbers.- Jlee1 (talk • contribs) 01:01, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Another Page

Should We Make a New Page For The Other Numbers 100-? These Numbers Must Be The Barian's World I think We Should Make Another Page Or Keep it With The Numbers Page? — This unsigned comment was made by 23.29.204.79 (talk • contribs) 21:00, October 7, 2012‎

Not sure if that would be a good idea because so far we don't know whether there will be any other Barian Numbers besides 107 if it becomes a trend than possibly.(Zinospeed (talk • contribs) 08:42, October 9, 2012 (UTC))

How do you know thats a barian number please link the source --Veriteo (talk • contribs) 08:50, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hum... Why should we make a new page? the other Numbers are still Numbers. And there's no proof that the other 100 are from barian, in fact, i don't if there are other 100 because Tron/Vetrix is from barian and his numbers are 8 and 69. Faker made a deal with Barian, He owned 53 and 92. So don't tell me that the "others 100 Numbers" are from barian. Unless something proves that there are from 0 to 100 Astral Numbers and there are 0 to 100 Barian Numbers. --E.G.G. (My Contributions) 22:29, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we should; just because it has 3 digits, why does it have a different page. By this logic, we should also have a page for 1 digit numbers and 2 digit numbers.(Meklordsa5m (talk • contribs) 09:25, October 14, 2012 (UTC))

24, 66 and 70

It's likely these were misidentified. I myself thought that 70 appeared, but further inspection reveals its a 40 and that the image of 40 we currently have looks purple due to the sealed form of the monster behind it. Its actually red. Its likely that 24 and 66 are similiar occurrences and that none of them were shown in the Key, at all. Anyone have proof otherwise before we remove it? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 07:02, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

What i think it's weird is that the purple 40 has a extra "leg" while the red 70 or 40 doesn't have that extra "leg"... If you didn't understand what I'm talking about, I'll post it what i meant later, because I'll have to go to school soon. --E.G.G. (My Contributions) 08:03, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

if you notice though number 34 on the key doesnt have the "leg" thing either and looking at number 7 in the key you can see the difference in the position of the dots.67.180.147.2 (talk) 08:39, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

I believe they changed in these new episodes. This has that leg and This has that leg but This hasn't that leg... So yeah I kinda should think we should only add the number when we actually see the summons. --E.G.G. (My Contributions) 11:44, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

IIRC, the "3" in "34" has always looked different than the "3" in any other "Number". So no objections to removal then? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:17, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'm myself having a hard time finding were everyone sees a 24 and a 66 and you guys already discussed 70 so all in all I vote for their removal. (67.180.147.2 (talk) 19:02, October 11, 2012 (UTC))

Either the design changed or they are the Chaos Xyz Monsters, but I can't prove it though. --iFredCat 19:35, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

how do we not know if these 3 are part of the 10 unknown numbers kite owned and/or the 6 unknown numbers quarto owned? — This unsigned comment was made by Superlmno (talk • contribs) 12:36, October 12, 2012

They obviously are - if they exist. The point of this discussion is that they don't exist yet and that we simply made mistake. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:46, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Number 9 Sealed Form vs. Number 15's Sealed Form

Why is it that Number 9 doesn't get a sealed form on the chart because it's sealed form is just the slow unravel of the duel monster while Number 15 does the same exact thing only on a smaller scale in which there is no sealed form to speak of but the duel monster's parts coming out just like Dyson Sphere did in space whereas Giant Killer did in the middle of the stadium? --Number Y (talk • contribs) 20:20, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Giant Grinder's sealed form was it's heart, which then opened up and created the "Number". Dyson Sphere just appeared out of no where if I recall. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 12:08, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Additional Numbers

I may have mentioned this above (sorry if I have) but I see no reason why there should be another column for Number monsters over 100 or 3 digit numbers. We don't have a seperate column for 1 digit or 2. So why 3? (Meklordsa5m (talk • contribs) 19:31, October 14, 2012 (UTC))

Well Astral mentioned his memories were schattered in 99 cards so we arent sure of their origin there could be a twist similar to the chaos monsters remember when Konami made syncro fusion they could be the fusion of multiple numbers(Fusion Numbers anyone?) i dont know but yeah i see no problem in merging them together until more info comes. out--Veriteo (talk • contribs) 20:02, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Additional Numbers are not the original Numbers.-Jlee1 (talk • contribs) 21:32, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Number 107's owner

• Some people are debating whether it belongs to Kite or not well here's what I think: If you look at the opening the guy who summons it has grey hair with blond tips meaning its either Alit or Misael who summon it because their eyes glowed yellow when in Barian world (example: Gilag had green eyes and when he was revealed his hair was grey and green)just cause it says Galaxy doesnt stamp it with Kite on it. if its not one of the Barians that owns it than leave it Unknown.(Zinospeed (talk • contribs) 04:04, October 30, 2012 (UTC))

Some people are so impatient. This is why i hate spoilers. If we put Kite just because he has "Galaxy-Eyes" in his name is a speculation. Putting Alit or Masael is also a speculation since we were never given any info on who the real owner is. We just have to wait. It will come eventually but not now. Nothing will happened if we just put unknown at the moment, it wont kill ya ----SharkTenjo 09:44, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed - if they kept put him back in, it's time to lock up the article until Number 107 has inheriting into other player's hand, or maybe Kite (which is not known current). --iFredCat 12:37, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

If episode 83 is real than i guess it belongs to Misael no more need for debate.(Zinospeed (talk • contribs) 20:43, October 30, 2012 (UTC))

Number 106

In the opening this card is shown in shadows along with other monsters that are seen with gilag so i think that this card bleongs to gilag.--Yugx5dszexal (talk • contribs) 05:34, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

But we still don't know for sure if that's Gilag's Number. And speaking of #106, I've noticed a lot of people changing its current owner to Gilag without showing proof and that edit being reverted after. Should this page be locked until #106 appears in the anime? ChaosGallade (talk • contribs) 04:21, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

It's notable to put that the first Number of each number of algarisms ends with 7? Like 17, 7 and 107. 189.46.164.176 (talk) 20:11, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think this page needs to be locked for a while (at leat 1 week semi). How many times do we have to revert the same speculation (these people aren't even giving sources). Number 107 Galaxy Eyes was thought to be Kites, but we were wrong, so why should this be Gilags based on just name? Shardsilver (talk • contribs) 15:24, December 16, 2012 (UTC) Gilag Confirmed--Veriteo (talk • contribs) 13:22, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Change Additional Numbers to Over-Hundred Numbers?

so should we change the name to Over-hundred numbers?--Veriteo (talk • contribs) 12:12, December 9, 2012 (UTC)--

Maybe not - there will be other set of Numbers that went over two-hundred... --iFredCat 12:18, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

If that's what the anime called it, then yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:21, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Apparently thats the official name its so hard to give up the name addtional number since i named it oh well Over-Hundred it is then--Veriteo (talk • contribs) 12:40, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

• The Numbers 101 until 107 are the Barian Numbers, from the seven lord Barian.

Number 105

Is there any confirmation? --FruityMan99 (talk • contribs) 14:25, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

That Gilag has it? No. That it exists? Yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:27, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Alit confirmed by Vjump--Veriteo (talk • contribs) 13:51, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

But not Gilag... --iFredCat 14:07, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Over-Hundered Chaos section

should we add a chaos section ??--Veriteo (talk • contribs) 12:01, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Once we see Number C1## monster revealing, then yes, we will start work on them. Have they show up? --iFredCat 12:09, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Just add it to the existing Chaos Number section. No reason for another subsection. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 12:26, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Just a suggestion, but wouldn't it be better to keep the Chaos Number section under the Over-Hundered section. Thats because now there are going to be Chaos forms for the Over-Hundered's as well, so keeping the Chaos Number section at the bottom would serve both of the sections. Plus keeping the Over-Hundered section after the Normal Number section would present a numerical order listing.

On another note, wouldn't it be better to club all the unknown Numbers in the Number section in one line as those 24 Numbers are still unknown and are under Astral.--Supratim1986 (talk • contribs) 15:37, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hire this man he has good ideas :D --Veriteo (talk • contribs) 15:41, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yea, he made an impressive building up structure of that list. --iFredCat 15:54, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

i believe we do need a chaos over hundred number section. superlmnoSuperlmno (talk • contribs) 19:50, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Number Color

Can someone trim out some of the black borders existing on the image of the Number Color? I have removed but not all some time ago and I would like for it to be "tidy". ----SharkTenjo 12:50, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

I can do so later today after work. I'll also try to get a better one for 40 (its actually read, the sealed form behind it makes it look purple) and find a non-glowy versions for 34 and 39, hopefully. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 20:01, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Put Them Together?

I Think We Should Put All The Unknown Numbers Together After Three Sections of Unknown Numbers in Their Possession its Confusing How About We Put Those Unknown Numbes Together it Will Make Easy To Tell (107Number (talk • contribs) 07:01, December 26, 2012 (UTC))

If it confuses you, how much more is the way you type things here confuse us? Its so confusing.. ----SharkTenjo 07:06, December 26, 2012 (UTC)