Talk:Number 10X

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Merge

Why do we need a separate page? There are 2 kinds of Numbers, Astral's, which are under 100, and the Barian's, which are over 100. It makes no sense to keep Astral's Numbers in the "Number" article and make and article for the Barian's. LegendaryAsariUgetsu (talk • contribs) 20:36, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, calling these a "sub-series" seems a bit unnecessary. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 13:15, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Since these cards are now an archetype, merging is out of the question. But shouldn't the members be at least included in the big list over at Number?

Number 102

Shouldn't the counterpart of Number 102 read, "Not yet revealed."? I mean, they might still make one for 102. --Kereyid (talk • contribs) 11:30, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Don't cha meant by 102? 104 already has Chaos "Counterpart". --iFredCat 11:46, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I did mean 102. So, should we change it? Kereyid (talk • contribs) 07:05, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

So are many of other Number that existing under 100 (Astral's Numbers); there are only 4 "Chaos Number" monsters exist so far, 1 by Yuma (Utopia's alternate forms don't count), 1 by Shark and 2 by Dark Mist. --iFredCat 21:57, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better to leave it blank as they may create one - aye there are not many Chaos Numbers compared to generic numbers, but to say there is none seems a bit to final (as in it comes across as if there will not be - which is equally as much of an assumption as there will be) -- --slave(command) 10:14, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Creating Over-Hundred Numbers?

I am sorry if this is a stupid question, however, does anyone have a reference, from the show, that states that the Over-Hundred Numbers are created and did not exist already? If not, that part that was just added to the article should be removed as it seems like unfounded speculation. It did show Misael putting his into a card, but it seems as though that may be the ability to seal and unseal their Number, rather than creating it, but again, that would be speculation as well. ShadowReaperX (talk • contribs) 04:33, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

It has not been (explicitly) stated that they were created or captured, I think it is safe to presume that one happened though - aside from this I have tried to clear up the page to remove that speculation (given no one has shown where it is from anyway) although I have left it in the article I have tried to make it clear that it is speculation. :) -- Sardeth42 (talk • contribs) 04:41, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Picture?

Who keeps on changing the picture into 102: Holy Lightning Glorious Halo. I made the picture because I think that it was a little more appropriate having all five of the current Over-Hundred Numbers. I once did this for the Morphtronic monsters and it got changed back to the unsuitable picture it is now. I am confused by this, is there some rule on this wiki that prevents anyone from putting on fan-made pictures? Wolfman of Light (talk • contribs) 18:23, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Well never mind, the image I had put up was deleted without even being considered thanks to, perhaps the worst admin on the site. Golden Key is a philistine and not worthy of his position. I won't upload the image again, so thanks Golden Key. Stupid chump Wolfman of Light (talk • contribs) 18:59, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Ignoring those insults, I already linked you to the forum topic about what kinds of images we want for archetype pages. When we lack a proper image featuring multiple members, we choose one to be the representative. And I find it slightly laughable that you consider the current "Morphtronic" image unsuitable for the page, considering the quality of the one you repeatedly tried to upload here. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 19:09, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Well if I had known about that topic before then I would have discussed the topic at the time. I find this rule very narrow minded, and stupid to be frank because images that contain more members are better because they show the full range of what monsters are in the archetype. But since this is not my choice this will be my last word on the matter. But my opinion won't change, either on this topic or you as an admin. Wolfman of Light (talk • contribs) 19:13, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Number 10X

I am curious as to where the name came from, was it mentioned in the dub or something or did someone say it in the previous episode. It just seems like such a strange name and I was pretty sure that they characters had used the name "Over-Hundred Number" a few times. Please excuse my ignorance but I'm genuinely in the dark for the name change. KasaiWolf (talk • contribs) 01:29, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

The wording of Rank-Up-Magic The Seventh One names the archetype as such. --Golden Key (talk • contribs) 01:32, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

• • I see, well that explains it then. I looked at the card in the preview but it seems like a strange name change in all honesty but I suspect the dub will end up changing it anyway. KasaiWolf (talk • contribs) 01:36, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Eh the (japanese) anime will still go on referring to them as OHN, it's not that they have been re-named lore wise as we have chosen the OCG term for the article (which appears in the anime) rather than the lore name... --slave(command•works) 06:23, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Merging the Fake Number page with Number 10x

Now that we have more imfomation on the Number 10X, should we combned these page or a least put as related each. My reason is that now we know that both those specific Numbers were created by Don Thosand.--im gay (talk • contribs) 16:32, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

This is an archetype, so merging is out of the question. Simple Guillotine (talk • contribs) 16:35, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

I know, but didn't you see the related opinion?--im gay (talk • contribs) 16:38, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

They're separate. They cannot be "fake", as there are no "real" (Astral) versions to make fakes of. in this case, the Barian versions are the originals. So they're not fake. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 21:47, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, because 10Xs' name are in red text and in Barian glyphs, making them original and there aren't any "original" 10Xs as they are Barian origin, not Astral glyphs.--Shadowdarkone1 (talk • contribs) 22:19, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Fake Numbers are Numbers created with the purpose of confusing people on Earth making them pass as regular Under-Hundred Numbers. Over-Hundred Numbers are not fake or, at least, they are not replicas of regulars Numbers. I vote for No-merge.

Yano88 (talk • contribs) 00:11, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

If "fake Numbers" was classified as "created by Don Thousand" then yes, they would be fake. But I do agree that we should not merge the pages because of one particular Number 10X: Tachyon Dragon. That one I don't think can possibly be totally fake because of the legend. Tachyon and Photon are definitely related in more ways than we can really hope to understand. That's why I don't think that they can really be classified as "fake". Aeron Solo wuz here (If you wanna talk) 01:19, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well they can't be merged anyway because as Guillotine has already pointed out the 10X's are an archetype in them self, where as the Fakes are nothing more than a plot device making it irrational to merge them. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 08:55, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

They should not be merged at all, because the Over-Hundred Numbers were created by Don Thousand to control the Emperors and keep their memories gone from their human lives. They must have been created not long after the Emperors were turned into Barians. The Fake ones on the other hand were created after Vector merged with Don Thousand for the Fearsome Four as their weapons and then in order to get the people of Earth to the Barian World. They are different and should remain as such. Don't make yet another stupid choice like the Kamishiro twins. KasaiWolf (talk • contribs) 15:19, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, I think this conversation died a while ago. Secondly, the 10X's were created before the 7BE's became Barian so that they could become barians, as part of DT's plan to release his power. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 17:09, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Number 1000

Since Number 1000 will be revealed, should it be placed here or...? Energy X ∞ 21:43, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

I dont think it can, Rank-Up-Magic The Seventh One, where we get the 10X archetype from, says that X is 1-7, of which 1000 isn't. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 21:45, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Up to now the most logical answer is that Number 1000 is a fake Number. Don Thousand created a thousand of fake Numbers and we know that original Numbers are 100. However let's wait the episode and see.

Yano88 (talk • contribs) 21:47, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

By that logic Yano 10X's are also fake, I think we need to separate the >100 = fake opinion that people seem to have. We know that DT has the power to create Numbers and we know that Astral's are the 1-100's, not being apart of the latter doesn't mean its fake. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 22:13, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Well the Numbers used by Heartland and the other 3 were Fake nonetheless as they ended up destroyed. So it could be possible that Numbers created by Don Thousand that goes from 1 to 100 are definetely fakes.

From 101 to 1000 they might be real but I recall DT himself stating that he created 1000 fake numbers and he gave them to humans

Yano88 (talk • contribs) 22:17, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

It was a million and they were all, bar the 4 that were given to Heartland and Co., were scattered all over Earth. Photonkrios99 (talk • contribs) 22:21, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

There's also no indication that every one was different. Its likely many, many people ended up with "Number 10: Dark Illumiknight", not just Tokunosuke. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 03:03, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

How can you say that? Any proof that there are more than just one Dark Illumknight?

Yano88 (talk • contribs) 08:44, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

I'm saying there is no proof either way, I just happen to find multiples of each far more likely. I did not say we should put it in the article. I never even considered there being one million different ones until I read it here. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:28, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

Mizars Number

I read on here about the 6 out of 7 over hundred numbers are all rank 4 while Mizars is rank 8. Since he is the master of the galaxy eyes wouldnt that explain why his number is rank 8? Shojo87 (talk • contribs) 17:48, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Umm nope. I actally dont see your point. His monster is Rank 8 because it needs 2 level 8 xyz materials. As stupid as this explanation may be, I really dont see why the rank of his monster could be, in any way, connected to the fact that he is the master of Galaxy-Eyes... Tachyon is rank 8 because it rivals the level 8 GEPD and the rank 8 Prime Photon Dragon. Nothing else to say. Yano88 (talk • contribs) 18:00, April 4, 2014 (UTC)