Talk:Number C39: Utopia Ray

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Broke English Translation[edit]

Got this from GameFAQs; link

Number 39: Utopia + 2x Level 4 monsters
This card can only be Special Summoned if your Life Points is 1000 or less. By detaching one of the card Xyz Material, this card gains 500 ATK and one monster on the field loses 1000 ATK.

Thought I would just save the shit of "edit war" on that article, so I just post the possible lore here instead. --FredCat 16:25, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure how it's supposed to be Summoned, but for its Xyz Material, i supposed he got it from Number 39: Utopia's Xyz Materials. So, itself has become an Xyz Material for Utopia Ray along with its former Xyz Materials. LastMinute (talkcontribs) 19:54, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
That's what I thought... make it up to five Materials if original was leaving undamaged, right? --FredCat 19:58, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
Umm, I don't think so. Maybe in the anime, but in real life, *if you could use Utopia's Xyz Materials as Xyz Material Monsters*, there would only be 3 Xyz Materials (since you couldn't clone the original 2 Xyz Materials of Utopia). In the anime, you can see that Utopia Ray has 3 Xyz Materials. --UltimateKuriboh (talkcontribs) 20:24, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe if an Xyz monster is used as Xyz material, its Xyz materials are inherited to the new Xyz monster,if it is true then maybe Xyz monsters have ranks instead of levels to prevent this. —This unsigned comment was made by 201.192.44.110 (talkcontribs) 23:05, August 8, 2011

Yeah, i was trying say that too. LastMinute (talkcontribs) 23:58, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Chaos Numbers 39 Kibouou Hope-Ray
3 Level 4 LIGHT monsters
If you have 1000 or more Life Points, destroy this card. You can Special Summon this card (from the Extra Deck) by using 1 "Numbers 39" as its Xyz Material. When Special Summoned by this effect: You can attach the Xyz Materials that were attached to "Numbers 39" as Xyz Materials to this card. This card cannot be destroyed by battle except by "Numbers" monsters. During your Main Phase: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card to target 1 face-up monster your opponent controls; this card gains 500 ATK and that target loses 1000 ATK.69.0.15.45 (talk) 00:45, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Is that supposed to be a guess? LastMinute (talkcontribs) 01:49, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

How about this?
"This card can only be special summoned from your Extra Deck by using 1 "Number 39 Utopia" on your side of the field as Xyz material when your life points are 1000 or less (This is treated as Xyz summon.) When this card is Xyz summoned, if "Number 39 Utopia" had Xyz materials attached to it, you can attach them to this card. (Rest of the effect) —This unsigned comment was made by 201.192.44.110 (talkcontribs) 14:32, August 9, 2011

I argee with the above post as you might have seen in episode 24, Utopia did not have any Xyz materials attached, so it is pointless to mention that he needs a number of materials to be summoned in the anime portion of the description. --86.147.175.164 (talk) 18:43, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

That attribute is light?[edit]

Maybe i'm worng by saying this, but as i see, utopia ray is NOT a Light monsters... maybe i am wrong with this but it could be a new attribute? like the Psychics was a new type on Duelist Genesis? —This unsigned comment was made by Crossader (talkcontribs) 14:55, August 12, 2011

It's freaking LIGHT-Attribute, get over yourself. Utopia is Hope and Hope is LIGHT. Only hopeless is Darkness. --FredCat 14:58, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
  • If you actually bother to look at the card before deciding you've discovered something, you'll notice that all of the text is written in symbols. Utopia Ray IS a LIGHT monster, and that is clearly just the symbol for it.--YamiWheeler (talkcontribs) 15:12, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
I think this is the Dark Attribute. This card looks like the Dark-Version of "Utopia".--Wasn't (talkcontribs) 11:40, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
The Attribute is LIGHT. /topic -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 11:42, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
Not only is its Attribute symbol the same color as the LIGHT-Attribute symbol, but historically, "Chaos" has never meant "Dark" in Yu-Gi-Oh! - it's always represented the synthesis of light and darkness.--Ryusui (talkcontribs) 01:14, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, as of "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning", "Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End", "Chaos Sorcerer", and few monster that required Light/Darkness Element. Ever two of the mentioned monsters I posted have the word "Chaos" though their attribute is just base on 1. Heck; "Light and Darkness Dragon" have successful, but not taken "Chaos" in his name. --FredCat 01:23, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Xyz Materials[edit]

so far, i know that it needs to 3 Xyz Materials, but i can't translate that part, which is left of the 4 stars (levels) and the slash (/). it could refer to Number 39: Utopia, but i'm not sure since i've looked back and forth and couldn't find a match in its name. okay, maybe not the exact match. LastMinute (talkcontribs) 01:05, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

I respect that, Last-Minute, so why not ask Deus since he kindly understand how they lined it up. --FredCat 01:07, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe, it's supposed to represent LIGHT like the translated text. LastMinute (talkcontribs) 01:50, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Should レイ be romanized or translated?[edit]

An odd observation.

Compare this image of No. 39 with this image of CNo. 39. It's pretty clear that the alien script is a substitution cipher: the spoked circles are numbers, and afterward we have five symbols which match the pattern of きぼうおう, followed by a single symbol which we can assume is "Hope". That is, the alien script functions the opposite way from the Japanese text, with the kanji written out phonetically and the name "Hope" represented by a lone ideogram.

But then we look at CNo. 39, which has the "Hope" symbol followed by two "letters" which we can safely assume correspond to レイ. So what does this mean?

I know I've suggested before that ホープレイ may be a portmanteau of "Hope" and "Pray," but perhaps the alien script is meant to suggest that, like きぼうおう, the レイ suffix may be meant as a Japanese word. I'm fully aware this is pure speculation with nothing really behind it, but I have to admit I find the possibility of his official U.S. name becoming "Chaos Number 39: Utopia Zero" highly appealing.

(Yes, it would probably have to be 希望皇ホープ零式 for that to really work, but I can dream, right?)--Ryusui (talkcontribs) 01:39, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Translated. Hope in Japanese is Kibou, King in Spanish is Rey. So it's No.39 'Kibou-ou'='Hope Rey'. Fits too good to be anything else. Bluesun1 (talkcontribs) 22:26, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
And I just figured out the alien script too. They're NO39キボウホウプ[No.39 Kibou Hope](direct. kibou houpu) and NO39キボウホウプレイ[No.39 Kibou Hope Rey](direct. kibou houpu rei). It's a プ(pu), not any Hope symbol. Bluesun1 (talkcontribs) 22:33, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

image[edit]

hey i found an image of this card, but it's still blurry. can anyone else find a picture like this but with better quality. here LastMinute (talkcontribs) 21:38, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Current Image[edit]

Does no-one else think the currect pic looks fake? --Darkskylarkalexanderx (talkcontribs) 19:15, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

  • Title font looks wrong. And besides, we already know the official TCG name. This image is definitely fake.QuartrGuy (talkcontribs) 19:17, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
That image came from the official TCG site, [1]. WinterNightmare (talkcontribs) 05:02, December 15, 2011 (UTC)
They were talking about File:Chaos Humber 39- Utopia Ray.jpg, not the current image. That one was a fake English image giving the card's name as "Chaos Number 39: Utopia Ray". ディノ千?!? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 05:08, December 15, 2011 (UTC)
Oh I didn't see that, I shouldn't jump into conclusion. WinterNightmare (talkcontribs) 05:20, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Hope, King of Wishes---Ray?[edit]

Well its been said that Utopia's offical english translated OCG name is "No. 39 Hope, King of Wishes". But shouldn't we change it in Utopia Ray's name too. Its still said in this article that its "Chaos No. 39 Aspiration Emperor - Hope Ray". ----SharkTenjo 01:56, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

I forgot about that. Yes, it should. Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 02:04, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
So how should it be named? King of Wishes Hope Ray, Hope Ray King of Wishes, Hope King of Wishes Ray? ----SharkTenjo 02:38, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
I would go with "King of Wishes, Hope Ray". Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 09:16, September 8, 2012 (UTC)