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Junk Warrior[edit]

Well he also uses "Speed Warrior" in nearly all his Duels and I don't think that's a Signature Card. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Putting "Speed Warrior" as Yusei's signature card is like putting "Avian" and "Burstinatrix" as Jaden's signature cards Blackstone Dresden 18:41, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm saying that "Junk Warrior" should be excluded for that reason. The person who added "Junk Warrior" said it should be there because Yusei used it in most of his Duels. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Maybe, but Junk Warrior made Yusei won most of his duels, even when he had Stardust Dragon. Rayqui 19:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I think Delta's getting Junk Warrior and Junk Synchron confused Blackstone Dresden 19:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
No, I mean "Junk Warrior". This just seems to be a matter of taste. In my opinion a character should only have one signature card (or cards if its a group like Sacred Beasts or Ojama Trio) at a given instance. That being one that's most recognised as belonging to that character, not their necessarily used in the majority of their Duels. Some may use it as a measure of last resort or save for special occassions, in which case Yusei did with "Stardust Dragon". Although then you could argue that "Junk Warrior" was Yusei's signature card before he got "Stardust Dragon" back... But I wouldn't say so, since at the time, the story revolved around him getting "Stardust Dragon" back. So "Stardust Dragon" was more important to him than "Junk Warrior" at this time. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Should I mention that, right before and after advertising moments during the Japanese anime, Yusei appears along with Junk Warrior, which also appears fighting Jack's Red Dragon Archfiend in the first 5D's opening, and made appearances in all others openings with the exception of Cross Game ? Plus, the article says "one particular card a duelist uses [...] in almost all their Duels", and Junk Warrior was played by Yusei in [b]all[/b] his duels, was Yusei's first main monster to be revealed. Still not enough ? Rayqui 20:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
All those points prove it's one of Yusei's popular cards. They don't indicate it's his signature card. And yes the article says that they use their signature card in nearly all their Duels. Read my last comment and you'll see that I don't agree with that. It may be true in a lot of cases but not always. Addressing when you said, "Was his first main monster to be revealed", defining what a "main monster" is, is more tedious than defining what a signature card is. And being the first is no proof that it's a signature card. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
By "main monster", I meant a bit of "strongest monster", but also first "woah-take-a-look-at-this-powerful-monster-with-unbeliveable-abilities-which-make-me-win-the-very-first-duel-of-the-anime". I dare say Junk Warrior is to Yusei what E-Hero Flame Wingman is to Jaden, like Nitro Warrior is Yusei's Thunder Giant, Stardust Dragon being his Neos, etc. It plays a major role in his duels. Rayqui 18:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

This seems to just be a matter of taste. Would a vote be the best option? -- Deltaneos (talk) 18:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure, why not ? Rayqui 19:16, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Um, Junk Warrior is in the goddamn eyecatch. I think it's fair to say it's Yusei's signature. Danny Lilithborne 11:00, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, ...[edit]

... why did Hunter Pace and others got removed ? Rayqui 20:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

We've only seen them use those cards once and haven't heard of any other connections with them elsewhere. There's not enough evidence to say they are their signature cards. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
In the first episode of the anime, Hunter Pace is known for his "Skull Flames combo", and yet Skull Flames appears in all his duels too. Doesn't that makes it his Signature Card ? I think Hunter Pace has more reason to be in this section that Mr.Armstrong and Iron Chain Dragon. Rayqui 18:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Armstrong and "Iron Chain Dragon" were removed at the same time as Hunter Pace and "Skull Flames". Although I hadn't noticed Hunter's had been changed to "Skull Flames". I thought it was still at "Speed King ☆ Skull Flames". I agree that "Skull Flames" was the Signature card of his Skull of Fire Deck and quite possibly his Signature Card overall. I won't argue if that's re-added. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
'k, re-added then. Rayqui 18:04, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Fortune Ladies/Fairies.[edit]

Those are Carly's Deck theme, not signature cards. Diehard Guy 10:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Non-pedantic differences being? Danny Lilithborne 10:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
If/when Carly/D Carly starts to favor a specific Fortune Telling Witch/Fortune Lady above the rest, that could be called her signature card. Otherwise it would be like putting "Morphtronics" as Leo's signature cards —This unsigned comment was made by 75.104.172.139 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

In that case, then Carly's ace monsters should be either Fortune Lady Earth (her 2nd duel supported Earth a lot, and Earth resembles Carly and her nature of trying to keep up with Jack (Lady Earth power up every standby phase)) or Fortune Lady Light --Rockmanmegaman (talk • contribs) 17:20, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ra[edit]

Would Ra really be a signature card to Yu-Gi? I mean at least from the episode's I saw (which isn't all of them) Yu-Gi uses Obelsik and Slifer a lot more. And even when he does use Ra he doesn't use Ra to it's full potential.--Blueyeyesawesomedragon 15:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Removing the list[edit]

Considering there are so many questionable "signature cards" and there seems to be some sort of arguement over many inclusions, could we just forget the list altogether? We could keep 2 or 3 unarguable examples (eg. Kaiba - Blue-Eyes White Dragon) to give the reader an idea of what a signature card is. -- Deltaneos (talk) 09:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Should we maybe add...[edit]

Should we add Celfon (Leo) and Speed Warrior (Yusei)? Vehicroidsrage 00:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Wisel's owner[edit]

Shouldn't we have Piccaco (I problibly pronounced it wrong) instead of or in additon to Ghost for Machine Emperor Wisel? After all it was his card that he "lent" to Ghost. Azure Knight-Zeo 18:38, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


Maybe we could...[edit]

I was thinking maybe we could add Pharaoh Atem. You know, like say his signature cards are the 3 Egyptian Gods and the Creator of Light? —This unsigned comment was made by Novafan365 (talk • contribs) 03:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I think so, only the "Egyptian Counterparts" could summon the Divine-Beasts, and only the true pharaoh (knowing his/her name) could summon Horakhty. --Bluemoonwhitenight 04:14, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
But he never used them as cards. He didn't use any cards for that matter, unless you count his time as Yami Yugi or video games. He had cards in FMR, but not the Egyptian Gods. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:26, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

Signature Archetype[edit]

Maybe we could expand this into a signature archtype page. For example:

Yusei Fudo: Junk & Warriors, Zane Truesdale: Cyber & Cyberdarks, Seto Kaiba: Blue-Eyes, Yugi Muto: Dark Magicians, Egyptian Gods & Kuribohs, Jaden Yuki: Elemental Heroes etc . . . --Bluemoonwhitenight 12:08, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

I agree but I am not sure if all the characters have a signature archetype

Judai's E-Hero Neos...[edit]

I noticed that his ace monster - Neos, still has Season 2 - ? on that list, should that be fixing or leave? --FredCat100 (talk • contribs) 17:22, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

I kind ofagree with deltaneos above. The character's signiature cards aren't really hard core facts it's just observations 9so-to-speak) of cards they use often. Maybe just 1 card per character is enough. Yug18-11 (talk • contribs) 14:30, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that we list cards for EVERY character, even characters that have a single duel. I think this sort of encourages longer lists for characters we see more often. Most characters really do have a single signature card though. Judai/Jaden is really the exception. Flame Wingman was clearly signature during Season 1, while Neos was for the rest of the series. I think most would agree that Dark Magician is indisputably Yugi's signature, and the Stardust Dragon is for Yusei. Jaden's is more complicated. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:22, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
Wouldn't we also want to include Terra Firma, as that was his for the manga. Yusei also has Lightning Warrior for the Manga.
True. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 04:00, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Now like Cheesedude said, Jaden's is more complitcated. Now, the way I see it, there's a tie between Winged Kuriboh and Elemental Hero Neos. --Novafan365 (talk • contribs) 14:36, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Recycle of Add and Remove[edit]

I am little irritated that you kept put all cards that are not really main cards in those list ever Delt and I still said no. What's a problem with you, unregistered user? --FredCat T.P. • F.R. • J.R. 22:42, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that they shouldn't be added, but I don't believe that "those shows are over" is a valid argument. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:46, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
What are some examples of what the user did? Was it the Big 5?--Novafan365 (talk • contribs) 04:28, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


should little yugi not have gandora as one of his signatures?

Proposal[edit]

I think this page should be completely revamped. Characters that appear only once or twice should not be listed. Any signature cards that remain should be cited. There are plenty of episodes in which a character specifically identifies a card as their "ace" or "favorite". If we cite this, it will take away a lot of ambiguity in what a signature card is. Some manga chapters have the same thing. This would prune the list considerably, and citing a source is never a bad thing, right? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:47, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

It may also help to have separate sections for the anime and the manga (there's probably little difference for major characters, but I'd imagine minor characters have their cards changed pretty often when going between the two). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 16:12, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
I would agree. For the original manga, the signature cards should be mostly the same, but there's plenty of anime-only characters. In GX and 5D's, the signature cards are utterly different. Same setting and characters with different stories and Decks.. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:59, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
There have been no objections, but there has been lots of edit warring. I'm going to attempt to revamp the page completely tonight. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:53, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
It would be great if you put a reference(s) where possible. --91.150.120.7 (talk) 21:21, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
While I agree to a certain extent, this is one thing we probably shouldn't get too hung up on references over. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:16, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
I will put references where I can. Expect the GX to section to references better than the others, since I know more about that series than the others. If anyone else can add any references that I don't add, I would appreciate it. I'm going to consider any time a character references a card as their "favorite card" or "ace card" proof enough that it's a signature (actually, maybe we should move this article to "ace card"). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 23:59, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
What if a character considers a card as the best one in their Deck? Does that kind of a statement count as a "favorite card" or an "ace card" --178.223.135.236 (talk) 07:10, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
Not necessarily, it depends on how they say it. If, for example, they're just making an objective statement (something along the lines of "X is the strongest monster in my deck"), it's not evidence that that card is their favorite/ace. An emotional attachment to a particular card, on the other hand, is a much stronger indicator that said card is their favorite/ace. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 07:19, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

An emotional attachment to a particular card, on the other hand, is a much stronger indicator that said card is their favorite/ace.

If an emotional attachment can be considered as a condition, should we add cards which a character finds it "precious" in terms of a presentation i.e. a symbol of a particular bond or relationship with an another character? For example, Syrus' "Power Bond" is a symbol of the bond with his brother Zane, Atticus' "Swing of Memories" - his bond with Alexis, Alexis' "Doble Passé" - her bond with Jaden etc. --79.101.212.197 (talk) 13:49, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
Again, not necessarily. Those all sound like cases where the card is just representative of the relationships between those characters - closer to a mascot than an ace. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:27, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
If a favorite card is considered as a condition, should we list idol cards i.e. card crushes or just avoid them? --178.223.177.81 (talk) 21:19, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
The same questions for "important" and "valuable" cards. Should we list all that cards or just those in terms of being precious to character, not being the strongest or rare ones in their Decks.
I'll list them here in case they are needed later. --178.223.177.81 (talk) 00:02, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
  • Episode 2 - Alexis calls "Flame Wingman" Jaden's most important card.
  • Episode 11 - A flashback shows that "Power Bond" is an important card to Syrus as he was a gift of hos brother.
  • Episode 16 - Syrus states "Winged Kuriboh" is a valuable card.
  • Episode 56 - Jaden calls Syrus' "Power Bond" a valuable and memorable card.
  • Episodes 165 and 166 - "Destiny End Dragon" is an important card to Aster.
  • Episode 173 - Atticus calls "Red-Eyes B. Dragon" an important card.
  • Episode 178 - As Jaden makes his speech, he holds an important card to him ("Neos"), as well as his friends (Chazz - "Ojama Yellow", Syrus - "Power Bond", Alexis - "Doble Passe").
I think that's a bit nebulous. In the case of Winged Kuriboh, I believe Sho was saying the card itself is valuable, since in the anime-verse it's a very rare card. The same can be said for Destiny End Dragoon, since it was one of a kind and commissioned by the Senrigan Group for what was probably a ridiculous sum of money. So both those cases are not using "important" in a sentential way. Also, I don't think any given card needs more than two or three references. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:14, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

"Redundant" section header names[edit]

There are several reasons having the redundancy in the individual manga/anime section headers is preferable to not having them:

  1. Linking is much simpler - it's far easier to remember how to link Signature card#Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's anime then it is Signature card#Anime 2.
  2. The needed link with the shorter headers changes if the order is changed, or if headers of the same name are added or removed - for example, if the first YGO section gets split into anime and manga subsections, the link to the ZEXAL manga section changes from "Manga 3" to "Manga 4", and all instances have to be updated accordingly.
  3. People being linked to a specific subsection can tell immediately what the context for the information is, without having to find the next-higher-level header or play detective based on the information in the table.

This is one case where a little bit of redundancy is actually more useful than not having it. --Dinoguy1000 (talk • contribs) as 208.124.74.56 (talk) 16:12, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Dino. I was about to pulling my butthead glove and hit them down with it. Also I am glad that I am not an Admins, otherwise I ended up like Blue. --FredCat 16:13, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
As far as the headers go, why not just split up the headers more and not have anything in subheaders. In other words, have separate level two headers for both the anime and manga. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:17, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
So you're telling me that we have to remove the main topic (Original, GX, 5D's, and ZEXAL) and tear them into two before paste them in subtopic respective? --FredCat 16:28, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
I'm suggesting that, yes. By no means do we have to. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:36, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
Let's see what can I do! *trek to the article...* --FredCat 17:43, August 15, 2011 (UTC)
*...returned to here* And done, I just left Original alone because it is combining. I can let you take care of it if you like. --FredCat 17:47, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Zexal anime[edit]

This seriously needs to stop. Over and over again people are adding people like Kakeru Kunitachi, Housaku Yasai and Shobee Yuatsu, but they only dueled once so they should not be listed. They should only really be added if the character said personally what there ace card was. 86.15.144.198 (talk) 22:28, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

I could have sworn we agreed that one-shot characters were fine for this page as long as they explicitly said something along the lines of "This is my ace!". Surely I'm not crazy...? =D 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 23:29, November 28, 2011 (UTC)
That is what I said above...86.15.144.198 (talk) 08:06, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
It sounded to me like you were arguing against the inclusion of one-shot characters, but whatever. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」? · ☎ Dinoguy1000 15:45, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yuma is mentioned twice in the table. --79.101.180.218 (talk) 00:08, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Can an admin add Gauche in the table with Heroic - Champion Excalibur too. it was stated at the ending that it was his ace monster. LastMinute (talk • contribs) 03:31, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Can Someone Add III for OOPArts Aztec Mask Golem and/or Card Tips:Number 33: OOPArts Super Weapon - Machu Mach? III claimed that Aztec Mask Golem is his favorite card. 33royward (talk • contribs) 03:41, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Could you please cite Astral's words? -- The Goblin  Talk  17:23, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

According to subs, III says he loves that Golem card. -- The Goblin  Talk  17:54, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Genome Heriter on Tron[edit]

Seriously, Tron only dueled once and i dont think he mentioned Genome Heriter is his ace but DalekSupreme is still adding it. Did Tron actually mention that it was his ace? ----SharkTenjo 12:20, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe he wanted to hide it, so can people don't figure out away to defeat it.--Laggia Will Lag You(Talk) 12:35, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
right now tro has only dueled once, but he is a recurring character, so i listed what is his most likely signature for now. we did the same thing with gauche until his later duels. if he uses a card in a future duel that is most likely his signature card then im okay with changing it but until then please leave it alone.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 12:56, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
But Gauche changed decks, because he needed to get stronger to defeat Yuma. We have to wait for Tron's next duels to see if Genome Heriter is in fact his Signature Card.Laggia Will Lag You(Talk) 15:13, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Majestic Red Dragon[edit]

I think that Majestic Red Dragon should be listed as a signature card for jack as it was key to winning his duels with carly and imposter jack. its relationship to jack is the same as majestic star's is to yusei. jack is also the only one who can summon it and healso gains all of the signer mark when he summons it just like yusei does when he summons majestic star.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 09:12, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Mr. Kay[edit]

Mr. Kay makes more than one appearance in the zexal anime, each being a seperate plot rather then being one story spread over multiple episodes. because of this i believe he deserves to be on the list.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 09:24, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Though he only dueled ONCE. For me, i think that Crashbug X is his signature card if he's added cause its his signature virus. Though he cant be added cause of the rules so.. --SharkTenjo
how can he not be added, he has appeared more than once in the show as part of 2 unrelated plots. once in his first appearance when he was possessed by his number and his second was when he help yuma and his friends find kite's hideout. so he isn't a oneshot character.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 17:40, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
Not played more than once, nuff said. --iFredCat 17:47, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
just because he only duels once doesn't mean hes a one shot. prince ojin, dartz, and fujiwara only duel once but they aren't one shots. whats makes him different.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 18:18, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
Do his cards displaying other than his only duel? Nope - that don't make him added in. One-Shot = 1 duel once and that's it. --iFredCat 21:28, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Anna's Rocket Arrow Express[edit]

I personally think Rocket Arrow Express should be considered one of her signature cards just as much, if not more so than Gustav Max. Thus far, its the only card she has used in both of her duels, and in the 3rd opening, it appears behind her making it associated with her more so.

III[edit]

i think that Number 6: OOPArts Atlanthal should be added as a key card for 3 as it triggers a transformation when he plays.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 08:57, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

If a card is used only once, the answer is no, unless the character specifically calls it his "ace monster" or "key card". Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 16:17, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Number 32[edit]

number 32b and number c32 should be added as key cards for shark. it states on the shark's decks page that after he recieved c32, he changed his deck to focus around the number 32 and its chaos form. also, besides yuma, shark is the only other person who can summon a chaos number which would fall under the category of signature cards that neos and ayers rock sunrise fall under as only he can summon number c32. also, he has used both cards twice, in his duels with IV and Yuma.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 09:04, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yuma said Black Ray Lancer is Shark's ace. He only use the Numbers because Tron controlled him. Dunkles Magiermädchen (talk • contribs) 12:55, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
Black Ray Lancer was his previous ace. And besides, even if he was only using it because he was controlled, using card because they're possessed is apparently a good enough reason to list it considering many of the other cards listed on the article, such as the Earthbound Immortals and other examples.
i agree and to be fair he didn't fall under trons control until he unlocked the power to perform a chaos xyz summon. when he first summoned number 32 in his duel with IV he wasn't controlled yet. so you really can only say that c32 is his ace while possessed by tron.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 17:24, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Paradox[edit]

i think the malefic archtype as a whole should be listed as paradox's signature cards. the same way we did the meklords for aporia. he doesn't really show favortism to any one malefic card, but every card in the archtype is unique to him like neos and ayers rock cards.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 09:04, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah but, "Malefic Paradox Dragon" does seem to be the climatic card which is saved until last. That is the strongest Malefic monster. --SuperSponge!! 16:10, July 17, 2012 (UTC)
nothe strongest would be Malefic Truth Dragon. he even fused with it in the samee way yami marik fuses with ra.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 17:27, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Signature for Video Game Characters?![edit]

Is it really necessary to add Video Game Characters and with their Signature card? With this we have to add ALL of the characters together to which video game they appear. Also can we really identify which is their signature card in video games as it directly depends on what they draw not to what they focus to do. Also the "signature card" page is for the listing of anime characters so the video game characters arent really necessary ----SharkTenjo 10:21, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Most usually, Video Game characters get their ace card(s) by Destiny Draw. --iFredC::::at 10:31, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
But still.. The signature card page is supposed to be canon ----SharkTenjo 12:33, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
And? Many games you're commenting are not. --iFredCat 13:02, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
Thats my point, they are not canon. Also what video games are am i commenting?----SharkTenjo 13:24, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
So you're ask to removing them after all? --iFredCat 14:20, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
okay, if we aren't going to count video games then why do we still list te duelist of the roses characters? they are only appear in that game and have no connection to the anime except that they are video game versions of characters from the anime, so if we aren't goin to count video game exclusive characters then they need to be removed too.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 17:30, August 31, 2012 (UTC)
Are we ordering to keep that in? Feel free removing them as you wish. --iFredCat 17:33, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Cinco[edit]

okay, since it is unlikely that cinco will return in the near future, i think it would be safe now to list him now with number 9 as his signature as that was the card his strategy focused around in his duel with kite and it is the only time he has duel. just to get this out of the way, yes he has only dueled once but he isn't a oneshot character as he has made numerous appearences in the world duel carnival arc.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 17:40, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Well were not supposed to add one-shot characters OR characters who dueled once or twice without them saying that its their signature card. So still no. And i think V will return in the near future, but not using Number 9 so still he is not supposed to be here ----SharkTenjo 01:49, September 1, 2012 (UTC)
in the 3rd yugioh zexal opening soul drive, we see quatro and cinco with their signature cards destyiny leo and dyson sphere. this is further evidence to support that number 9 is his signature in yugioh zexal. yes i agree that he wil probably return in zexal 2 with a new signature but for zexal his signature is number 9. when he appears in zexal 2 and if he isn't a one shot character in that series we can add his signature for that series to the future zexal 2 section.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 10:55, September 9, 2012 (UTC)
All we have to do is wait. For the mean time, we must not add him ----SharkTenjo 11:27, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Bandit Keith[edit]

for yugioh r bandit keith's signature is wicked eraser as his deck in that manga is focused around getting material out to sacrifice for wicked eraser. this is shown in his duel with joey and it is the card he used to beat richie.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 17:40, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Zexal Weapons[edit]

the zexal weapons shopuld be listed as signature cards for yuma/astral as they are the only ones who can use them, they are tied to te shows plot, yuma/astral has the archetype in 3 major duels (kite, tres, and vetrix), and yuma actually held one of the zexal weapons in weapon form and used it to save vetrix.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 10:13, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Its not in the rules that cards which are unique to the duelist will automatically be its ace card. ZWs are in the same manner as the Chrysalis and Neo-Spacians to Jaden. Only support to their ace so no means no ----SharkTenjo 09:56, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Shark[edit]

submersible carrier aero shark should be listed as a signature card for shark. prior to his first duel with yuma, his deck focused on summoning aero shark and using its strength and abilitys to swiftly win duels. it is how he defeated bronk and it is how he intended to defeat yuma until he was possessed by number 17. even after adding black ray lancer to his deck to counter yuma and other number users with, aero shatk was still his go to xyz monster up until he aquired C39. he has used this monster to win duels more times then black ray lancer and number 32 combined. it is basically shark's equivilent of junk warrior.DalekSupreme13 (talk • contribs) 10:13, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

If he ever called it my "ace card" or something or along those lines, add it with a reference. If not, then no, it should not be added. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:22, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yu-Gi-Oh! R[edit]

Shouldn't we separate the signature cards of YGO R to the "Yu-Gi-Oh!" section as unlike the other series, their respective manga has a separate section ----SharkTenjo 11:40, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 14:22, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Can anyone do it? ----SharkTenjo 09:29, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Signature Card =/= Ace Card[edit]

I think they should be different pages or at least take away the "signature card" bit. Even if a card is signature, it doesn't necessarily mean it's their ace. For example, signature cards for Yusei would include Sonic Chick, Quillbolt Hedgehog and Speed Warrior as he uses them a lot and is known for using them. Whereas ace cards would be stuff like Stardust. Ryoga and Big Jaws or Jack with Mad Archfiend/Twin-Sword Marauder are other examples. What does anyone else think? TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 12:39, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

This was known since Judai and his Elemental HERO Neos. It's also "Favorite =/= Ace" compromise. --iFredCat 13:49, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
Judai has called "Neos" his ace many times and his deck revolves around it post-season 2; therefore it's natural that it'd be listed as an ace. But stuff like "Sonic Chick" for Yusei isn't an ace, but it's one of his signature cards. TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 14:02, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
Sonic Chick is just used to support his deck much like using Monster Reborn and other staples in our decks as support. Also in this article, Signature card = Ace = Favorite ----SharkTenjo 14:24, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
How is Sonic Chick anything like Monster Reborn? And you told me exactly what I know already... And again, I will repeat myself... Something being signature, doesn't mean it's an ace, hence my idea of separation or removal of the term "signature card". TheScarecrow14 (talk • contribs) 13:18, October 4, 2012 (UTC)


C73[edit]

The argument to remove it is 100% pointless. Who ****ing cares if he only used it once?
Utopia Roots was only used once. C9 was only used once. C88/40/15/6 were only used /once/. That doesnt stop them from being signature cards. Upgraded versions of signature cards are always signature cards themselves. Otherwise Shooting Quasar Dragon, or every single chaos number in existence wouldn't be signature cards. :/ --DysonSlinky (talk • contribs) 00:14, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

And if it was used once, it should not be listed, period. So none of those examples should be here, at all. Prior established consensus was that a card must be used more than once. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:29, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Alright I admit you got me there. Not trying to be a massive you-know-what about this but don't you think if they wanted it as a signature card of his they would of had him evolve it before he got his Over-Hundred-Number and not after? User:Masternumberhunter3917 (talk contribs) 00:29, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

View Source[edit]

Why was this page put on View Source only? --StephenWalker97 22:14, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Cheesedude put it like that because of my little argument with DysonSlinky about whether or not to put Number C73 as a signature card for Shark. I don't know when people are going to be able to edit the page again. Sorry about that. --Masternumberhunter3917 8:06, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Ten seconds ago, because I forgot about it until seeing this message. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:08, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Bloom Prima?[edit]

Should Bloom Prima the Melodious Choir be added to Zuzu's section? I would do it myself if I knew how to do it properly lol. Yeeeeeah! Now it's a party! (talk • contribs) 17:44, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Cites[edit]

Correct if I'm wrong, but if we're supposed to add citations to the edits, why are a number of cards lists are uncited. I'm certain that the characters have more ace or favorite cards than the just the ones listed. Plus, there are a few characters who duel or have cards, yet their aren't listed. Please excuse my last edits, but I know some of them have more aces.MCN51FJ (talk • contribs) 06:15, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

Cites are added just when a monster is specifically stated to be an ace. There's other monsters that are also definitively ace monsters, but never stated as such. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 06:24, February 6, 2016 (UTC)
Actually, only monsters with citations should be listed, period.
I need to update this page with the anime card links and when I do, I'll be removing all uncited cards (unless I myself can cite them). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:35, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

Minor Appearances/Conjecture[edit]

For the original series, the criteria for characters appearing in the first two arcs seem pretty straightforward (not anime-exclusive). Most have had notable appearances within the series, as well as in other media where their signature cards are pretty well cemented.

Though when it comes to characters not confined to that list, it gets a bit iffy. I'm seeing a lot of characters where only their strongest card is put as their signature card, which isn't necessarily the case. Simply citing the episode it appeared in doesn't really say much aside from the fact that the character did use the card.

I'd say that most character info on the list from season 4 should be the first to go (aside from the Legendary Dragons) due to the one-note nature of the duels and how most of the "signature cards" are only the characters' strongest cards. I think there's probably enough justification for Guardian Eatos for Rafael, though. Deck Master cards also aren't necessarily signature cards either. -SlashMan (talk • contribs) 01:53, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

Current Edit War[edit]

All right, since the discussion from the last time this happened has currently been consigned to the data loss, let's recap:

  • I'm in favour of getting rid of the "best friends" and "female characters" aces section in the Trivia. There are no real trends to be found among them, particularly in comparison to those between those of the main protagonists and main rivals.
  • Armed Dragon LV7 is Chazz's ace monster. Armed Dragon LV10 is its final evolution.
  • Luke is the main rival of SEVENS, though he is also Yuga's best friend. He duels Yuga four times (five when counting The Lukeman), their rivalry is a crux of the climax of both seasons and Yuga only wins in the final episode. Roa duels Yuga twice and their rivalry is basically forgotten between then once the Team Battle Royal starts. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 08:14, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
I think we can just keep "best friends" and "female characters" aces section because there are still at least some major trends among them. Also, in promotion material, Chazz's Armed Dragon LV10 is officially depicted as his ace monster, such as on the cover of Duelist Pack: Chazz Princeton. 76.133.64.63 (talk) 17:35, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
You guys both have excellent ideas to prevent edit warring: Sanokal K-T has a good point about Luke Kallister, and 76.133.64.63 has a good point to keep those other two trend lists. So here are some ideas I have: first and foremost, why not reach a compromise with the points you guys have? Second, and please don't hate me for this (I think this might be a bad idea), if Luke is Yuga's rival, why not replace him in the "Best Friends" section with another character...say, Gavin Sogetsu, considering he's part of his friend group AND one of the seven main characters? If not Gavin, go ahead and decide on who will replace Luke. Thank you for your time, cooperation and patience!

CarltheToonMan42 (talk. 18:21, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

There's another thing to address for the rivalries between the protagonists and their rivals. In ZEXAL, Yuma dueled Shark more times than Kite, but yet Kite is still considered Yuma's main rival and not Shark. In Episode 012 of SEVENS, Yuga admits that one of his main goals is to defeat and compete against Roa, and Yuga and Roa are depicted to be eager to duel and compete against each other. Also Yuga and Roa appear together in some promotional material, such as the cover of Deck Mod Pack: Shocking Lightning Attack!!. If you state that "Luke is Yuga's main rival because he dueled more times than Roa.", then by that logic Shark would be considered Yuma's main rival instead of Kite. No disrespect intended, but there's no official sources confirming that Luke is Yuga's rival as far as I know. 76.133.64.63 (talk) 19:36, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
First off, be patient and don't edit the section while the discussion is on-going. Right, now that I'm finished work:
In ZEXAL, Yuma dueled Shark more times than Kite, but yet Kite is still considered Yuma's main rival and not Shark.
You're trying to condense the point. Kite's an obvious Kaiba parallel and half the times Yuma dueled Shark weren't in service of their own rivalry.
Also, in promotion material, Chazz's Armed Dragon LV10 is officially depicted as his ace monster, such as on the cover of Duelist Pack: Chazz Princeton.
You'll have to cite more sources than that. It's on the cover of that pack because it debuts in that set.
Also Yuga and Roa appear together in some promotional material, such as the cover of Deck Mod Pack: Shocking Lightning Attack!!.
Yuga and Luke, Yuga and Roa, Yuga and Nail, Yuga and Asana ALL appear on pack covers. This is not evidence for Roa being the main rival.
No disrespect intended, but there's no official sources confirming that Luke is Yuga's rival as far as I know.
And there's none for Roa either - the main source people have been using was the statement on his page that I added to it.
In Episode 012 of SEVENS, Yuga admits that one of his main goals is to defeat and compete against Roa, and Yuga and Roa are depicted to be eager to duel and compete against each other.
This is abandoned by the third arc, briefly brought up in the fourth, and then left to rot until the final arc. Luke and Yuga's rivalry is the bigger focus in the story - a focus of both finales, with Yuga taking two of his losses very hard, celebrating finally winning, and Luke still dwelling on the loss two years later. By contrast, while Yuma has rivalries with Shark and Kite in Season 1 of ZEXAL, Kite's is by far the most prominent, given that half of Yuma's beef with Shark in the first season was while Shark was not himself, to put it lightly. Kite loses focus in the second season because the writers finished up with his character and the plot didn't permit him and Yuma dueling again.
Second, and please don't hate me for this (I think this might be a bad idea), if Luke is Yuga's rival, why not replace him in the "Best Friends" section with another character...say, Gavin Sogetsu, considering he's part of his friend group AND one of the seven main characters? If not Gavin, go ahead and decide on who will replace Luke. Thank you for your time, cooperation and patience!
I'd prefer to delete that section entirely. Look at the main protagonists: "usually has 2500 ATK and is Level 7, of three main Types/body plans" and the rivals "usually has 3000 ATK, is usually dragon", and now look at the best friends section, it's considerably more all over the place.

Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 08:19, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Wait a minute I just realized a few things
  • Continuing on from my previous statement about Kite and Shark's duels, as you addressed that Kite is based on the previous main rivals despite the fact that Shark dueled Yuma more times than Kite. Although it was the case, Yuma still was trying to defeat and compete against Kite the whole time, even if they never dueled each other again after Season 1. Therefore, the same could easily be said for Yuga and Roa, where Roa is modeled after the previous main rivals, and that while Yuga dueled Luke more times than Roa, one of Yuga's and Roa's respective main goals were to willingly compete with each other, as I mentioned earlier. Even if Yuga and Roa never dueled each other again after the 4th arc, it doesn't negate their rivalry, and Yuga and Roa were still trying to outdo each other for a long time.
  • On top of that, given that none of the main rivals were ever best or close friends with the protagonists, except for Jack if I can recall, it would be more or less contradictory for Luke to be Yuga's main rival given that he is Yuga's best friend akin to Joey and Yugi's friendship.
  • Also, if Luke was Yuga's main rival and not Roa because Luke dueled Yuga more times, then by that logic, wouldn't Mai would be the main female in the original Yu-Gi-Oh! series and not Tea due to having more duels?
  • Now for Chazz's Armed Dragon LV10, it is probably his ace because it has the ATK has the other rivals in the first six series, 3000 ATK. And it has been compared to the other rivals' ace monsters by fans.
  • I think we can keep the best friends and main female characters sections, cause they still have enough in common with each other. 76.133.64.63 (talk) 05:06, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Yuga and Roa were still trying to outdo each other for a long time.
Not for as long as Yuga was trying to outdo Luke.
In Episode 012 of SEVENS, Yuga admits that one of his main goals is to defeat and compete against Roa, and Yuga and Roa are depicted to be eager to duel and compete against each other.
Linking back to this. Unless Yuga mentions this in the dub, which I'll have to rewatch tomorrow, he makes no mention of this, unless the translation I made our episode summary of at Yu-Gi-Oh! SEVENS - Episode 012 was shoddy. Nor does he claim so in the following episode.
Also, if Luke was Yuga's main rival and not Roa because Luke dueled Yuga more times, then by that logic, wouldn't Mai would be the main female in the original Yu-Gi-Oh! series and not Tea due to having more duels?
No. Mai is only in two arcs of the original manga in comparison to Tea and is only more relevant as a duelist.
Now for Chazz's Armed Dragon LV10, it is probably his ace because it has the ATK has the other rivals in the first six series, 3000 ATK. And it has been compared to the other rivals' ace monsters by fans.
GX was a series where they weren't following the trends of the previous series as closely as they would later. Kaiba's character was basically split in half to become Zane and Chazz, and even Jaden didn't get his requisite 2500 ATK ace until the second season. Just because Armed Dragon LV10 is the Armed Dragon with 3000 ATK thus doesn't make it Chazz's primary ace. I'd also argue that Armed Dragon Thunder LV10 being a cover card in Series 11 further disqualifies it, as all of the Series 11 card covers were of upgrades to the characters' ace monsters (with the exception of Borrelcode Dragon in Burst of Destiny, and heavens only know what that's meant to be).
On top of that, given that none of the main rivals were ever best or close friends with the protagonists, except for Jack if I can recall, it would be more or less contradictory for Luke to be Yuga's main rival given that he is Yuga's best friend akin to Joey and Yugi's friendship.
I mean, you did just give an example. Jack is Yusei's best friend.
I think we can keep the best friends and main female characters sections, cause they still have enough in common with each other.
I've said my part, and would prefer recorded input from other editors before making the decision on that. I will note however that you've made some errors with the manga characters: Gong isn't in the main ARC-V manga, and Luke is the main character of the main ZEXAL manga. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 10:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Continuing on from Roa and Yuga's rivalry. I'll politely mention Yuga's quote that addresses his rivalry against Roa from Episode 12 of Sevens, "I'm willing to take on Roa!" Once again, no disrespect intended, but at this point, given that Luke doesn't consistently fit in with the other rivals, due to his aforementioned characteristics and character relationship with Yuga, along with the fact that Roa is deliberately modeled after the other main rivals, and that none of the rivalries between the previous protagonists and rivals were "friendly rivalries". I kinda doubt that Luke was intended to be Yuga's main rival. Also, I think we should just list one ace monster for each protagonists in the trivia section to make it less confusing. 76.133.64.63 (talk) 19:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
This is not an indication of rivalry. It is weak evidence for Roa being the main rival in comparison to Luke.
As for the one ace monsters thing, while I would have agreed in the past, it is indisputable that Jaden and Yusaku had multiple primary aces (Jaden due to gaining Neos later and Yusaku due to being bonked by the banhammer).
As for why I reverted Darkness Zerorogue being Otes' ace monster, you cited Yu-Gi-Oh! SEVENS - Episode 091 as evidence, when it is never mentioned to be so during said episode, as can be seen in the episode summary that I wrote. Please stop making up evidence for your points - if anything, Sevens Road Magician is Otes' ace monster. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 08:53, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Hmm, to politely prevent edit warring, I think we can just list multiple rivals in the rivals sections. Like Both Kite and Shark for Zexal and Roa and Luke for Sevens. No disrespect intended, but it might to be too subjective/debatable for who Yuma and Yuga's arch-rivals are. 76.133.64.63 (talk) 08:10, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't consider it subjective. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 05:49, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I've seen discussions elsewhere, and many people have agued that Yuma's and Yuga's arch-rivals are Shark and Luke respectively due to their amount of matchups, while others disagree and argued that their rivals are Kite and Roa respectively, therefore, this situation is kind of subjective/debatable at this point. No disrespect intended, but why not just list both Shark and Kite, and Luke and Roa in the rivals section? 76.133.64.63 (talk) 16:04, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
For the many reasons discussed above. An additional one is that nailing down Shark's ace monster is a lesson in futility. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 23:14, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Right, I've taken a hammer to the page. Your addition of disputed information repeatedly in the face of the evidence I've laid out when you have presented little to no credible evidence yourself and continual addition of weaker trivia will stop here. If you ignore this and attempt to add that information again, it will result in a one-week block. You have the chance to make you case again on this Discussion page, but I'd prefer you don't edit this main page again. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 02:13, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Before I end my editorial career on this page for good, I have a brilliant idea, Sir Sanokal: We should lay out the law about this page and put a warning somewhere, even if in the source area. It will say this: "WARNING: Please do not add any information unless there is factual evidence to back it up. Also, please do not add any other trends in characters, as they have very loose trends compared to the two main ones. Any who persist will be dealt with." That way, users shall follow the rules no matter the cost. Thank you for ending this war, by the way. CarltheToonMan42 (talk • contribs) 04:43, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

There was a hidden note there, but it was deleted in the edit war. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 08:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Protagonists, Rivals, Best Friends, Female Leads, and Antagonists Navigation templates.[edit]

I'll politely apologize for what I did. Looking back, ugh, it was kinda uncool. I won't make any claims ever again until I can find more and/or stronger evidence. Moving on, after the removal of the Best Friends, Female Leads, and Antagonists sections in the trivia. I'm not suggesting an edit on this page, but should we create character navigation templates for the Protagonists, Rivals, Best Friends, Female Leads, and Antagonists, as well as their ace monsters? That way, we can still have a complete list of each of these characters on this wiki? I remember that the Jojo wiki has character navigation templates for the protagonsits, allies, and antagonists. 76.133.64.63 (talk) 18:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Preferably not because that's just asking for trouble, and a lot of that is obvious just from looking at the series templates and articles. Sanokal K-T (talk • contribs) 08:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


these labelings are already subjective enough (besides the main protagonist) id be content to burn them down entirely - and we definitely dont need to increase their prominence. the main casts of each anime just dont fit cleanly into the same molds, theres flex space on this stuff
id be ok with a main protagonists navbox though Falminar (talk • contribs) 08:37, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
No disrespect intended, but I wasn't asking nor looking for any trouble to begin with. The reason why I suggested these navigation templates is because the Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game has been running for almost 25 years, and each of its anime series follows a consistent tradition of having a Protagonists, Rivals, Best Friends, Female Leads, and Antagonists. If the Jojo wiki has pattern/tradition-based character navigation templates, why not do the same for the Yugioh wiki as well? 76.133.64.63 (talk) 19:50, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Removal of Protagonists and Rivals trivia sections.[edit]

After the removal of the Best Friends, Female Leads, and Antagonists ace monster sections, It was addressed above that "Who is the Rival, Best Friend, Female Lead, and Antagonist for each Yu-Gi-Oh! anime series" is somewhat subjective to begin with. If that's the case should we also remove the Protagonists and Rivals ace monster sections as well? 76.133.64.63 (talk) 17:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Well, looks like your wish got granted. Another admin known as TheycallmeBrick has just excised the trivia section entirely, and it won't be considered for renewal for the foreseeable future due to the subjectiveness of it, etc.; an even bigger two by four than Sir Sanokal took to the page. They're absolutely right about that; we have all been pretty petty arguing over this kind of stuff, and have been bashing other peoples' opinions, no matter how factual we find our own. I learned something from this whole ordeal: the first thing is to keep all information objective and verifiable where possible, and the second is to not bash others' opinions. Thank you all for the lesson, especially you, Sir Sanokal and TheycallmeBrick! Farewell, and good luck in the future of this wiki.

CarltheToonMan42 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

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