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What Dragon does Luca have?
J0V1 04:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Have anyone else wondered that according to what the next booster Crimson Crisis says about a new character appearing right now in October could be reffering to the last Signer. Just asking cause i noticed that episode 28 title that debuts on october gives a hint that maybe the final signer is revealed.


Rex Godwin is the fith signer why is someone removing his name it shows his severed arm with the head birthmark on it in episode 26

An arm was shown in a tank in front of Goodwin. It is a logical guess and likely to be true to say that it's his and that he's the fifth Signer, but this wasn't explicitly stated. We should really wait for further clarification before we document this. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

You're right besides doesnt make sense since it was the right arm thus the Birthmark suppose to be on the left. So lets see what happens next for all we know could be what if the arm belongs to someone inside something like a pod or else. For one thing its strange that all the Cup were looking for the 4 Signers and not 5.

Hmmmm...I think that Lua (not Luna >.<)is the last signer... because power tool dragon looks almost exactly like the fifth dragon that was shown in episode thirty... perhaps his signer power haven't awakened yet, but besides that, Goodwin really CAN'T be a signer because of his inability to have a birthmark, because remember, he lost his left arm as well, shown when he blocked bommer's little spike-thing... TeardropStar 09:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

What if the fifth signer is Shira (this guy)? He was at the Fortune Cup, which was made to get all five signers, So it's possible that he may be one. He never dueled so you don't know what kind of cards he uses (he could have the fifth dragon for all you know). He seems to be working for goodwin, which is what the fifth signer would be doing anyways since it's apparent that goodwin has control of the fifth signer. It's as good of a guess as any. Gemini69 00:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Up til i read that, my money was on either Rex, Aero, or guy-or-girl-to-be-met-later but now shira gets added to just below rex

I doubt either one of them happen to be the last one, Rex just because there the theory of being one because he possibly has the arm containing the birthmark. But thta doesnt mean still lets see, mean some much secrecy about the last signer must be for a good reason User:DracoX

A great battle that has been 5000 years in the waiting is about to begin.i THINK this will be the match ups yusei vs kiryu.jack vs carly.akiza vs misty.luna vs rudger.each match up has a reason behind it.yusei "killed" kyriu.carly loved jack.akiza "killed" misty brother.rudger has possesion of luna's ancient fairy dragon. tell me what you think —This unsigned comment was made by (talkcontribs) 20:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that is how its gonna go to from the beginning each dark signer has a reason to against a corresponding signer. The only one left is Demak going against the fifth signer and the reason for revenge behind. DracoX 02:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone thinks its possible for a signer to transfer their power to someone else, like if its their destiny to awaken a signer or for some other reason? —This unsigned comment was made by ZeusMino (talkcontribs) 19:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

it was crow, i looked it up, what happened what that in the last battle, goodwin lost the mark he stole from his brother and then yusei got the head and crow was given his old mark


Anyone else think he's either Signer 5 or Dark 7? The fact that he was able to single handedly defeated Greiger heavily implies that he has a more important role to play then tag along (see Joey and Sirus). Leo only finally defeated Demak with help from Luna (without her he wouldn't have been able to draw again and would have lost like Joey vs. Marik). Crow, on the other hand got his but kicked and still managed to (barely) win even after Chacu fully took over. I've posted already on another talk page that there's no need for the 5th to run a dragon deck because Jack is the only Signer that does (Yusei runs Warriors and Synchrons, Luna runs Fairys, and Akiza runs Plants)

Also the only reason I gave the option of Dark Signer 7 was because EI 7 is a Condor and Crow uses Winged Beasts

Good news! Crow is the Fifth Signer after all! Only this time he has Yusei's old Tail birthmark while Yusei now has the Dragon Head. 21:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Adding Rex Godwin to the Signers' list[edit]

shouldn't Rex Godwin be added to the list ? After all, he gets the Signer power from Rudger's severed arm. and the title of episode 62 shows Godwin is also a Signer.

Its says that he posseses the power of one, as you stated from his brothers arm. As he was able to tap into the mark´s power in the Fortune Cup before so probably refering to that same deal. However doesnt mean that is a really a Signer as he wasnt born with a mark or have actually appeared into his own body. On the other hand, the Condor mark on his back really demontrates for Goodwin to be truly be called one of the Dark Signer instead. DracoX 00:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, where is it stated that you must be born as a Signer to be one ? If Godwin connects Rudger's arm to him , will he be a Signer ?

Didnt siad that was necessatly born as some of thre Signers got their marks after, just that werent properly choosen as one. As remeber that those people called signers are the ones that have mark who were choosen by the Crimson Dragon itself. I dont think thta even coonecting an arm will make him properly one to be called then one of them. Anoher thing is that he able to tap into the birthmarks power like in the Fortune Cup. DracoX 15:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Wait a sec , Godwin using that arm proves my point , right ? And I mean, the crimson dragon may have chosen Godwin after he ( the CD ) saw Rudger's betrayal

Well just because he is using a lend hand doesnt prove apoint, being not even his. And doubt that he would get choosen neither. But still lets see what happens tomorrow to clarify this subject. DracoX 18:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

False Changes[edit]

  • Be careful, there is an unregistered user adding Crow as a Signer with no proof. Messengerofthedark 09:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)Messengerofthedark

I may be unregistered too, but that user was right about Crow being the new fifth signer. Watch the episode on this link:

Crow gets the dragon tail, and Yusei gets the dragon head, when the birthmarks leave Goodwin.-- 18:46, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

We all have seen that is true Crow becomes the fifth new Signer, and with him all 5 of them are finally completed. DracoX 18:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Crow's dragon[edit]

Does anyone know what is Crow's dragon? canonink 16:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I bet that either Crow will get the new Dragon sometime in season 2 (3) or Yusei will get it since he got the new birthmark. Wolfman of Light 10:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

It is most likely safe to say Crow will finally get the 5th dragon during the wrgp arc....thats part of the reason why the 10th anniversary movie isnt airing until spring next year....waiting for the 5th dragon to appearHairball420 23:32, September 29, 2009 (UTC)

crow is a signer because in 64 crow is left with 1 lp yusei 4000 jack 4000 rex 1200 then crow gets the tail mark and yusei gets the head mark so —This unsigned comment was made by Blueblur30 (talkcontribs) 19:35, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

That's already mentioned in the article, since nine months ago. -- Deltaneos (talk) 20:51, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

What did Jack say...[edit]

when he saw Blackfeather Dragon? he said anything about Signers but I didn't understand it well. did he said that Blackfeather Dragon is the Fifth Dragon? Because people are adding Blackfeather Dragon to the Five Dragons and Signers chart. OMG! You did it 17:36, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Didnt understand neither, however Yusei and his Birtmark reacting to its presence denotes this fact "A Signer's birthmark throbs and glows while they are in close proximity of one of the Dragons when it is fighting with a great deal of determination, particularly for the sake of their Signer". Also pointing out Crow´s own Crimson Dragon mark is what made Blackbird reveal this card, as it was apparently acting as a password. DracoX 17:54, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
Then people should stop adding Blackfeather Dragon being the fifth dragon, there is no enough proof yet. We know, Yanagi said that their looks may change within the time, that means that either Power Tool or Blackfeather is the Fifth. We'll have to wait until Blackfeather Dragon's next appearance. OMG! You did it 18:02, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
Well is not like the Dragon we seen, but cant deny that Crow´s Signer Dragon. Othwerwise why Crow´s Crimson Dragon mark acted as a password to unlock that card on his Duel Runner. And cant deny what already mentioned also about Yusei and Jack´s marks reacting to it. DracoX 18:15, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
I still don't believing that until we see the subbed episode. OMG! You did it 18:29, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
Was there anything else said in the episode to imply that it's one of the Five Dragons? The dragon birthmarks aren't known to exclusively react to the presence of Signer Dragons. Aki's started to glow when her powers manifested. They've also lit-up in the presence of Dark Signers or when a new Signer appears. I think all we can conclude from birthmarks reacting to it is that it's important.
I'll admit it looks likely to be the fifth Dragon at this stage, but they still haven't said directly that it is (or have they?). And there's still the fact that it looks completely different than the fifth Dragon we've seen in the flashbacks. -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:04, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
I personally think we should wait until we see the Blackfeather Dragon again, and also, i don't think that it was the fact that Crow was a Signer had anything to do with it unlocking the BFD, but Crow's feelings towards the kids similar to how Robert Pearson had done previously.Altyrell 20:49, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Disregard the above. Jack's dialogue was "あれがシグナーの5体目の龍", which means ""This is the fifth Signer Dragon". That's solid evidence that it is a Signer Dragon. -- Deltaneos (talk) 23:19, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

No that's nothing. If Blackfeather Dragon is the Fifth Dragon, then why Pearson had that card and not Roman or Professor Fudo? At least the real Fifth Dragon should've appeared and becoming the Fifth Dragon or something like that, but their Marks of the Dragon glowing was NOTHING. OMG! You did it 23:23, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention the possibility that they could write that in but have him (jack) mistaken the Marks reacting for the 5th Dragon. I'm sorry for wanting to wait until we got further proof and reasoning as to why the 5th Dragon that was shown battling the Earthbounds in the past via Luna's vision is different in looks to the Blackfeather Dragon.Altyrell 23:28, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

You can accept that, but ignore the fact that Professor Fudo and Rudger ALSO didn't have "Golden Gaia Dragon" among the key cards? No one knows where Rua got his Dragon from. If you actually look back at the show, NO ONE shows HOW they got their card except Ruka and now Crow. It's never shown how RDD's ends up in Jack's hands. It's never shown how Aki gets BRD. It's never shown how Yusei gets Stardust THE FIRST time and if you notice, the MOMENT he uses it, Jaeger comes with the offer to force Jack to steal it. So the problem here on this pages is that people are using their prejudice to justify ignoring what is hard facts and what is just not going to be told to say it justifies what they want. Lost doesn't answer all questions either, Heroes doesn't, Kamen Rider Dragon didn't, and 5D's is very much playing on the "questions" formulas. ShinobiPhoenix 23:58, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
If we assume Jack was mistaken, we may also doubt many other things we were told in the series. Even it turns out later that Jack was wrong, I think right now, the best decision is to go by what Jack said. It's following what we were actually told. This is the opposite to "Power Tool Dragon's" case where people went by believed depite it not being officially stated to be a dragon. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:08, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
But aren't you the one that just changed the Five Dragons's page to be "fair" to the non-believers? If the story changes something or tells us something else, we just change it to make what the story currently says. That would be the proper thing to do. It wouldn't be wrong, we're just following what the story says. We just have to accept there are many things we won't be told when most convenient for us illegally downloading thieves across the pond are able to. As it stands, Crow has his Dragon, it doesn't make it THE ONE we knew of FIRST. That would be stupid, it would dishonor Rua's position as he can't be a Signer (unless they make him one and we'd have to edit the pages AGAIN anyway) and having a replacement to GGD is still important, but GGD is lost likely with Rudger and as it stands, we've never even seen a physical card for it ever or even the dragon itself since JUST THE ONE DREAM. One dream in one episode (ending sequence doesn't count for story). When they are ready to explain it, we'll just have to be there, but until then, we have to move forward and stop living in our fan-fantasies of Godwin being the 5th Signer and people we don't like because their decks beat ours dying in a motorcycle accident. ShinobiPhoenix 00:17, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
What I said was in favour in saying that BFD is the fifth Dragon. I locked the Five Dragons page to stop edit wars, not to force the revision I want. (It's not even on the revision I want). -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:24, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
  • That's my point, you locked it on just having "Fifth Dragon" with not even a mention of Blackfeather Dragon's existence. To me, it's still about what is the current Signer Dragon. If the article is about ONLY the 5 shown in the dream, that's something else, but in that case, there need to be a page to represent Signer Dragons and not just the 5 we know about for sure (vs the ones we don't know about). ShinobiPhoenix 00:33, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
The anime said that RDA, Stardust, and Black Rose were released to the public so they could find the Signer they belonged to. It seems that the Dragon picks the Signer, rather than the Signer coming to possess the Dragon, as evidenced by Luna. DemonGodAsura 00:14, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
The Dragon mostly like (as God's will) find who it should belong to. When it reaches you, you'll know. Jack himself has TWO Dragon Synchros and one can assume (not a fact, just an assumption) that he had Exploder Wing Dragon BEFORE RDD. RDD is his Signer Dragon, but we only know that now, if the situation was not knowing which one was his Dragon, that conversation would be no different then this one. I prefer to believe that a Dragon is chosen for you just as you are chosen by God. You don't receive someone else's (just like Jack would never get to keep Stardust). ShinobiPhoenix 00:22, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
Just to elaborate on my last message. I can't think of any similiar examples in Yu-Gi-Oh!, but... anyone watch Lost? If you haven't seen season 5 and don't like spoilers, don't read. One character died in it. For a couple of episodes we were made believe he had been brought back from the dead. Other characters said he had been brought back from the dead. Later we found out the ressurected version was an imposter. Over on wikis about Lost, they weren't wrong to be saying he had been brought back from the dead, before they found out that he wasn't. They'd been following what they were told.
Compared to this case. Jack says the card is the fifth Dragon, like how other characters said that this guy was ressurected. The people on the wikis could have said no it's impossible, because another character said you can't be brought back from the dead, like how people here are saying it's impossible because BFD doesn't look like the fifth Dragon we saw earlier.
And of course, Jack could also be right. Whether he's right or wrong, I think at this point it's best to go by what he said. It's an official argument against a fan theory. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:21, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
I just have to point out that in episode 113, during a flashback consisting of the Crimson Dragon's servants - the Signer Dragons versus Red Nova, Black-Winged Dragon (character) can be seen participating in the fight. So, Crow's Mark of the Dragon is an authentic Mark of the Dragon, and his Black-Winged Dragon is an authentic Signer Dragon, however, it is not the same exact dragon as Life Stream Dragon.Rose Duelist (talkcontribs) 18:24, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Rudger as "original" Fifth Signer?[edit]

Another thing this reminds me to bring it. Isn't it disingenuous to refer to Rudger as "the original Fifth Signer?" Isn't it more proper to say "previous" for numerous reasons? Most important of which is the fact that there was a Fifth BEFORE Rudger. The battles happens every 5000 years, so there's been a 5th Signer each time with his own Dragon and there is supposed to be at least 1 in another 5000 in a different form, just like the demons will take a different form. Calling him "original" in the context that has been used here just isn't correct. Maybe "original" in for the current storyline or "previous". ShinobiPhoenix 00:53, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

All articles refer to the current storyline. Even in the anime they searched for the "5th". Rudger is the original 5th Signer in Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's. DemonGodAsura 01:21, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
  • Proper document writing referring to FACTS demand should have that be clarified. Saying he's the original 5th Signer so callously is disingenuous. If the all articles about the storyline were JUST about only what's in the storyline, we wouldn't be having this "debate" over Blackfeather Dragon. It should be stated that he is the original 5th Signer FOR the storyline as it does run counter to another part of the storyline that there have been OTHER Signers before him. Can't call someone the original if there are others in front of you. ShinobiPhoenix 01:30, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

2 people 1 sign theory[edit]

The 2 people 1 sign theory states that Leo and Luna are the same signer. You see Rex stated in the anime that there were Signers in the past so what if the past Signer's entity/spirit was split into two? Leo has the duel skill and Luna has the mark and power. Torunka has stated that Leo has Dragon energy running through him aswell. Power Tool Dragon, when Leo got defeated by Sayer, looked down at him in sympathy just like a Signer Dragon would. Give me some speculation —This unsigned comment was made by Darksilvania Fan (talkcontribs)

That's seem more impress theory, I have noticed that earlier. Other than Crow Hogan being only non-signer (During Dark Signer Arc, before challenge Rex Godwin, Rua is only kid who can keep Dark Signer off till his sister come and join the force. That happening again when Rua joined his sister against one of three members (Ylimber or something like that) and he fought to get his sister's Signer Dragon back. --FredCat100 13:09, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
Btw, please signed with this mark; ~~~~ so we can know who you are in future. --FredCat100 13:10, March 16, 2010 (UTC)


Can we leave Leo off the page until he is confirmed or shown not to be a signer? Jon Kovacs (talkcontribs) 04:06, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

That's what I agreed for. It's current unknown if he actually obtain the power or not. --FredCat Ta.P.F.P.J.R.W.S.Th.P.S.C. 04:11, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

leo is signer ep 142 and his birth mark the heart

Leo was always the fifth signer, they just made crow the fifth signer because Leo wasn't ready yet

Update the image[edit]

Could someone update the image of the Signers to the newest shown since episode 143 with Luna's hand mark holding Leo's Heart mark? Siguiendo la luna no llegare lejos, tan lejos como se pueda llegar ♫ 00:27, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Put Picture of Past Life Signers[edit]

They're a picture for one of the early episodes, and it shows five silouhettes with Signer Marks on their arms, the original Signers 5,000 years ago. It'd be interesting to put somewhere on the page.

Heart Mark's in Videogame[edit]

Heart's Mark was seen in Yu-Gi-Oh World Championship 2009 Stardust Accelerator in Signer Temples. --Xmortal (talkcontribs) 02:18, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Specialized Types[edit]

Would any object to removing this from the box? Just reading Ruka's Type listing makes it clear that she doesn't have a specialized Type. I also don't think that Jack uses enough Fiends to be considered a speclist either. Also, how is what Type they use relevant to their status as Signers? At all? Cheesedude (talkcontribs) 13:22, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that we should remove those, it does not have anything to do with them being Signers (in fact part of what they specialize in can be mentioned in their Deck articles). Shardsilver (talkcontribs) 14:24, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
I must agree with what Shard had spoke, is Jack look like Fiend to you? Does Yusei wearing knight armor in the defense of other innocent people? Does Aki wearing more flower on her dress? Non-sense! Those "Specialist" craps are for Deck series, not in Profile biography. --FredCat 14:26, March 30, 2012 (UTC)


shouldn't there be a listing for yusei under former signers as he origanally had the tail birthmark but after rex was defeated the tail mark was transferred to crow and replaced by the dragons head. so yusei was both the signer for te tail and the head.DalekSupreme13 (talkcontribs) 05:42, July 29, 2012 (UTC)