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Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's year

The beginning of the Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's manga takes place in 20XX. i.e. some year between 2000 and 2099 inclusive.

Yu-Gi-Oh! GX starts in 2004 and goes on for three years, so it ends in 2007. Zero Reverse, which happens 17 years before Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's begins, could not have taken place when GX ends, so 5D's must take place some time after 2024. So it happens sometime between 2024 and 2099.

Someone in Janime pointed this out. That screens shows the date for Jack and Dragan's Duel, back when Jack was still King; Wednesday 8 March. The years where there is a Wednesday 8 March between 2020 and 2099 are 2026, 2037, 2043, 2048, 2054, 2065, 2071, 2076, 2082, 2093 and 2099. (check).

Dragan said that that Duel took place three years before the WRGP. Anyone know how long after the beginning of the series the WRGP takes place? So 5D's must take place about 2-3 years after any of the possible Wednesday 8 April years.

It looks like the 2099 year could be eliminated, since 2-3 years later won't be 20XX, but we don't know the anime and manga begin at the exact same time, so it might still be an option.

People have said 2026 is too early because that would mean Zero Reverse happened around 2011, which is only about four years after Yu-Gi-Oh! GX ended. They've argued that how much more modern and built up Domino City is at the time of Zero Reverse is too much for only four years. I'm not sure that totally rules out this year.

People have also pointed out Ushio's age. He's about 16-17 in 1996. 2026 would make 5D's start around 2028, making him about 46-50 years old at the beginning of 5D's. 2037 would make him 57-61. 2043 would make him 63-67. etc. The first seems to make the most sense, but contradicts the argument about Domino City's modernisation. Sorry if this sounds skeptical, but I'd really like to have this confirmed; Are people positive it is the same Ushio? I keep hearing that the Yu-Gi-Oh! 10th Anniversary Animation Book confirmed that it is the same person. I've seen the page in question and it has pictures of Ushio in Yu-Gi-Oh!, Ushio's name in Yu-Gi-Oh! GX and Ushio in Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's. I don't know what the accompanying text says. Does it definitely say that these are all the same person or was it just pointing out that "Tetsu Ushio" has been mentioned in all the series. It might be possible he's like Cid in the Final Fantasy series.

So anyone able to confirm the Ushio thing or eliminate/correct/disprove any of those years? -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:02, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well, this is some really scary math. xD But maybe you're over-thinking it. Maybe the writers gave us the year 20XX because they were too lazy to plan it out like you did. Ushio being in 5D's (I do believe that the creators said it is the same Ushio as in the Yu-Gi-Oh! manga) is a little Easter egg for longtime Yu-Gi-Oh! fans. Maybe it doesn't have much of a meaning at all. --96.246.0.139 (talk) 01:58, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

All I can say is that 5D's must have happened, during the WRGP, at about 2021, since the year is posted everywhere at the WRGP event. Anyone else think that this number hints to the year of which WRGP started? Adamtheamazing64 (talk • contribs) 02:31, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

That number appears before WRGP too. It doesn't necessarily mean its the year. It's not possible anyway because it would mean the Zero Reverse happened during Yu-Gi-Oh! GX. We see Domino City during Yu-Gi-Oh! GX and it doesn't look like New Domino at the time of Zero Reverse. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:16, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I would like to point out something that everyone seems to be forgetting. Assuming the 2nd series Yu-Gi-Oh! Begins in 2000, which would be most logical, we can deduce it ended around 2004, because Yugi often talks to Yami/Atem in the final arc about how great the last five years have been. Taking into account the first yugioh series, that places the end of yugioh at 2003-2004. Next, it has often been said Yugioh GX takes place ten years after the conclusion of the second series animae Yu-Gi-Oh! This places the start of GX at 2014-2015. Because the students who were first years at its start spent four years at the school until graduating, we know that GX ended at roughly 2018 give or take a year. Now we take into account the Zero Reverse factor which places 5Ds at at least 17 after the conclusion of GX. So we now know for certain 5Ds begins after the year 2035. (At least for the animae.) Most people agree that Zero Reverse would have to be more than four years after GX. So it's reasonable it would have to be at least 2039 (and thus 2043) and possibly later. So now with my math and other theories we can rule out 2037 as a year. This leaves us with 8 possible years thanks to the Wednesday 8 discovery.68.13.140.111 (talk) 19:03, March 14, 2013 (UTC)CK

The Yu-Gi-Oh! manga begins around 1996, as evident by newspaper dates within the series. It's not unreasonable to assume that the anime version takes place around the same time. The 4Kids English dub changes a lot of things, sometimes resulting in inconsistencies. This timeline is based on dates mentioned in original version, which is the Japanese version. GX taking place 10 years after Yu-Gi-Oh! is something that was mentioned on a 4Kids site. The Japanese anime lists 2004 as the year Jaden enrolled in Duel Academy. I don't recall Yugi saying exactly five years, but there have been multiple instances in the English anime, where characters have said that the events of the series spanned over multiple years, which were not present in the Japanese version. Despite the number of episodes and time it took to show them, not an awful lot of time passes within series. The tournaments Duelist Kingdom, Battle City, including the Virtual World, and the Grand Championship, were each only a few days long. Same with the Orichalcos and Memory World events. There isn't anything to suggest that more than a couple of weeks or months passes in the events between. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:55, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Separate anime and manga

Should we create separate timelines for the anime and manga? They have contradictory events and the page gets messy with the different names used in the English adaptions. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:53, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

I really think this needs to happen. The timelines are different due to the filler arcs in the DM anime, but it gets worse with GX and 5D's since the events are completely different between anime and manga. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:24, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Zane's Profile

[1] There is written that he graduated in 2004. --109.92.117.172 (talk) 23:50, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

That's odd. Jaden began Duel Academy in 2004 and Zane was there for Jaden's first year. The Japanese school year goes from April to March, so that graduation must have taken place in March 2005. The school year in which he graduated was 2004/2005. It's probably using 2004 to refer to that year, even though the actual date of graduation was in 2005. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:04, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

I guess you're right. On the other side, more information about it would be known from Japanese text in his profile. --109.92.117.172 (talk) 00:15, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe it should mean that his last year of school is "2004 - 2005", last two parts are cut out for some reason. --FredCat 00:27, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

The first two kanji after each year on the right hand side are "年度", which means "school year". For 2003 and 2004, the kanji after "年度" is "最", which means "top"/"maximum". Maybe it's referring to his grades at the end of the those terms, in which case it makes sense to use the second of the two years. That would make his graduation 2004.

On Jaden's we just see a curve of a Japanese character after "年度", which might be part of "入", which might be part of "入場許可証", meaning "pass". (That is going out on a limb though.) Jaden's enrollment year is also deduced from those profiles too, so it would also get pushed back a year, to 2003 and not contradict Zane's graduation being in 2005.

Below the years it says "サイバー・ドラゴン", which means "Cyber Dragon", so the next part is probably talking about his Deck. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:42, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Is that enough evidence to push the years we've given to GX events back one year? -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:43, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Actually nevermind, it says "2004 年度入学" on Bastion's one, which means he enrolled in 2004. -- Deltaneos (talk) 01:01, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Janime Wiki's timeline

This could be useful. -Falzar FZ- (talk page|useful stuff) 10:48, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

That says that Death-T happens in autumn 1996 and Duelist Kingdom happens in spring 1997. That can't be right since Duel 45 happens between those two events and it is said to be summer in that chapter. -- Deltaneos (talk) 15:55, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

That project has continued on Janime's forums (their wiki is shutting down soon). It's a pretty interesting topic. I'm going to go through it tomorrow and see what I can add to this one based on that one. I'll post anything questionable here first for confirmation. Here's a link if anyone else wants to sift through it as well. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:09, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

That's where I saw the screen about the date of Jack and Dragan's Duel. The forum actually existed before the wiki page. It has been used similar to a talk page. I think the timeline itself is going to be moved to the main Janime site before the wiki is shut down. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:15, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

It may be, yes. They're still in the process of moving all their regular pages. The GX section has been down for months, actually (much to my chagrin). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:47, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I've had a glance through some of the forum. Arynis did point out the summer happening between autumn and spring problem. It seems Death-T taking place in Autumn is based on the climate; Ushio playing in the leaves and everyone wearing long sleeves and jackets and Duelist Kingdom being in Spring is because it takes place before the Japanese new school year. Since Duels 45, 46 and 47 explicitly state that it is summer, I think we should go by that rather than the assumptions.

Other interesting things from the forum pointed out by remaner and Sekhmet: The newspaper at the start of Duel 13 mentions the year 1996 in the Japanese version. Bear in mind the newspaper scene is two months before the present day events. The newspaper in Yu-Gi-Oh! Duelist Duel 87 mentions the dates 23 and 28 August for an upcoming event. This is the chapter where Yugi is in the hospital after the fire, so Battle City takes place before late August.

-- Deltaneos (talk) 21:00, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

My timeline ideas

I read somewhere that Kazuki stated that 5 years passed between Yugioh and GX and that 20 years passed between GX and 5D's. And considering he did state that ZeXal happened before 5D's we can assume that all of this does happen in the same world. The following might not be for this talk page, but I think I'll say it anyways. Considering Yugi was 16 by the end of Yugioh, we can assume he's 21 in the beginning of GX and in his 40's in 5D's. Correct me if I'm wrong, every idea is welcome here. --Demir59 (talk • contribs) 10:45, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

The characters of the original series and GX are not alive in 5D's. Kaiba Corp was shown in Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D’s, but Seto Kaiba not appears and has not been mentioned as being the CEO of that Kaiba Corp building. The story is set in Domino City. We have no sign of life of Yugi and Kaiba, does not make sense. 186.251.177.210 (talk) 11:18, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm just stating what I read Kazuki himself said. Just that. Nothing more nothing less. I think they didn't include them in the story was so that they could get new fans without relying on the old storyline. Mind you that is only what I think and nothing more. I'm searching for the link to Kazukis comment, but the internet is wast so it will take me some time to get it, and I do have more important things to worry about, so I don't really know when I can get it. But thank you for your comment.

--Demir59 (talk • contribs) 13:03, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Oh yea. And I forgot to mention Trudge. He is still alive. And he seems to be in his late 40's or early 50's. And considering they are the same guy, we can assume that all of the characters from GX and 5D's are still alive.

--86.61.5.139 (talk) 18:44, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Where did he say all this? I've never heard him say the ZEXAL happens before 5D's. Also, the tenth anniversary movie implies Yugi is dead by the time 5D's take place - Jack says it would be impossible to Duel him. Given that the animation book says Trudge is the same character, the only real explanation is cryogenic freezing (not that that should go into the article). Also, if they were alive, wouldn't they have died in the Zero Reverse? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 19:17, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed all that is possible. I read it on a website that has a lot of information and Kazuki talking. Mind you that I don't understand Japanese and that the subs might have been bad so there is that. Like I said I'll get the link as soon as I can, but right now with the finals for school and all that I don't really have the time. But again it is possible, but you should also consider that the movie isn't all that cannon. If it were a lot of problems would happen with the original Yugioh plot, and maybe even GX. But all that being said I'm just spinning ideas here. Nothing wrong with that the last time I checked. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm not. Kazuki is probably the only one who could say that for sure. And as for dying in the Zero reverse, it is possible, but you might remember that Yugi was out of Domino a lot, as stated by Solomon in GX. Again I'm just spinning ideas for my own amusement, nothing more, nothing less. And thank you for questioning my theory, it makes it so much more fun to try proving it when you have somebody who doubts it and points out the mistakes.--Demir59 (talk • contribs) 07:44, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Since it is know that, in Bonds Beyond Time (BBT), Yusei's appearance is after the conclusion of the anime, we can't use him as a reference for any changes that the time-bending conflict had on the Yu-Gi-Oh timeline. Jaden is a little more controversial. I haven't found any proof that Jaden hasn't already graduated by the time Yusei recruits him to defeat Paradox. That leaves Yugi. Yugi has the pharaoh, Yami, with him in the movie, as evidenced by their discussions and their transformation into Yami Yugi prior to the duel. This, in my opinion, leaves room for three theories as to the relevance of the movie, since we can only use Yugi as reference.

1) The event occurs (to Yugi) at some point not shown within the anime, Yugi recovers, and all goes back to normal.

2) All known series occur as normal in the anime, and at some point not yet known, Paradox enters the equation, screwing everything up, creating an alternate timeline not yet shown in any way in the anime or manga that we know absolutely nothing about.

3)The movie is a big "What if...?" and has absolutely no relevance to the timeline. Number 9: Dyson Sphere (talk • contribs) 06:43, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Actually Bonds Beyond Time occurs during the anime at a point after the Crash Town arc. The movie itself is the first Yu-Gi-Oh! movie to be canon to the actual series. Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds continues onwards from the movie so if Paradox does create an alternate universe it's still the one that the rest 5D's followed.

Yugi's appearance probably occurs during some point between the aftermath of Battle City and Dawn of the Duel.

Also Judai has most likely graduated from Duel Academy during the movie, this is shown by Yubel's spirit and the fact that Pharaoh (cat) and Banner are with Judai. At the end of GX, Judai left dual academy taking Pharaoh (cat) with him. Also during the last season of GX Judai's personality was much darker but this changed during the last episode, during the movie he shows a personality similar to the one during the last episode.

From this we could say that it is possible that the movie itself instead of changing the timeline, is the reason the timeline is the way it is. It is possible that the reason Yugi gave Judai Winged Kurioh is due to their encounter during the movie but this is pure speculation.

--Dragonriderfire (talk • contribs) 10:08, July 25, 2016 (UTC)