Template talk:Decklist

Collapsed?

How are the Monster, Spell, and Trap "divisions" already collapsed? Bhigpx (talk • contribs) 20:38, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Each of the boxes is actually generated by {{DynamicNavigationBox}}, which has the CSS class "NavFrame". If there are two or more boxes on the same page with this class, they all get collapsed by default. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 16:43, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Underlining CSS

Since <u></u> is long since deprecated and <span style="text-decoration:underline"></span> is a lot to type out multiple times on multiple pages, would it be okay if we added a class to the dropdowns and .classname p {text-decoration:underline;} to the Common.css to add it automatically? -- Deltaneos (talk) 19:16, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Well, we're already using bulleted lists for the lists of cards; why not just switch to using definition terms for those labels? 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:49, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

As in use ;Normal Monsters instead of <u>Normal Monsters<u>? Effectively it means using cleaner code and bold labels instead of underlined ones. That could work. Although I don't see how it's relevant to the cards using bulleted lists.

Another more obvious solution (which I probably should have thought of first) would be to use |normal monsters = and style the labels in the template itself. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:43, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

I pointed it out more as a parallel than anything.

I've thought of doing that myself... I'm just not sure of how to handle cases where someone uses both "monsters" and "normal monsters" or whatever... should one override the other, or should both be displayed? 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:46, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure either way would be fine. I'd lean more to having "normal/effect/ritual/fusion etc. monsters" overwriting "monsters". And maybe a tracking category to pick up pages using both. -- Deltaneos (talk) 12:55, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Done and done. It's all from memory and untested (save a quick preview to make sure it isn't *too* broken), so if I broke something, or it doesn't work right, or something's missing/misspelled, feel free to beat me and I'll fix it. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 23:39, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Works fine, but for whatever reason I hate the way it looks. I think the bolding is unnecessary. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:14, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

The bolding is meant to serve as visual identification in place of underlining that the text is a header/label (and it's inserted automatically by the list markup being used)... We could switch from using ; to :, but ultimately, the loss of the visual identifier would only encourage people to start specifying underlining again, when is what we're wanting to do away with now. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:24, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

I realize that. Could we not just set it up so that it underlines automatically rather than bolds automatically? Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 22:26, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess. I just went with the method with less markup, which is why it bolds instead of underlining. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:01, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ok then. Well, does anyone else have a preference on this? I don't like how the bolding looks, but I'll deal with it if others prefer it to underlining. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:09, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Probably the only other person likely to comment here is Deltaneos, unless you advertise the discussion somewhat. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 05:33, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Meh, I'm getting more used it now. It doesn't look bad. I wouldn't worry about it at this point. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:29, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Heh, are you sure you're not (turning into) me? =D 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:35, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Tuners vs. Normal and Effect

Since the template supports the use of "|tuner monsters", do we say that Tuner "overides" normal and effect? Or we do list them under both categories (which to me would stretch the pages more than they need to be). Especially this cluster****). Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 18:51, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

I would say that more "specialized" Monster types should override less specialized ones, so Tuner should override Effect and Normal (this also fits with how we already list Fusion/Effect, Ritual/Effect, etc. monsters). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:17, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Never bothered to respond to this, but fair point. I've recently began using this. However, there are problems with the way cards are ordered. I really feel that Extra Deck monsters should always be the last in each list. Everything else should be before them. Having Tuners listed under Synchros is just odd. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 02:39, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

I agree; explicit support for Extra Deck cards needs to be added - listing them inline via one means or another is too cumbersome/hackish, but two Decklist instances is just overkill. I think the best route would probably be adding another row to the outer table below the current one, though then we run into colspan issues if either the Main Deck or Extra Deck has a card type that the other doesn't... hmm...

As for the ordering of the types of Monsters, you shouldn't consider that Set In Stone in any fashion; I basically just threw them in in whatever order I thought of when I added the parameters, and you should feel free to reorder them (or suggest a new order that I can implement, if you're too skittish to try editing this template now ;) ) as you see fit. =) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:15, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Why not just combine Fusion, Synchro and Xyz into one and call it "|extra deck" (and make "|fusion deck" work as well for DM and GX articles). Skittish, no. Tired, yes. Maybe tomorrow. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 06:24, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

You're not the only one who's tired; I thought you were talking about Side Decks. =P Fusion, Synchro, and Xyz could indeed be moved to below the other monster types, but I don't think it'd work as well rolling them together into a single parameter when the rest of the monster types are left separate. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 06:30, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, reordered (and I don't think I broke anything this time). Side Decks aren't something I ever really think about, but in the rare occasions I deal with them (such as here) I use a separate Decklist, but don't separate it with a <br />. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 17:35, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Not quite cards

Would it be okay to add subsections to "Monsters" and "Spells" for things which weren't actual cards. e.g. The anime/manga versions of "Dark Sage" and "Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon", which weren't monsters Special Summoned from the Deck through their effects. They were just "Dark Magician" and "Red-Eyes Black Dragon" affected by other cards. Spell Card examples would be "The Claw of Hermos" combinations. -- Deltaneos (talk) 00:11, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

That sounds good. It would aide in making what the card effects in the anime/manga actually were, as opposed to what they became. That's left vague enough that I wasn't aware of it myself for those two particular cases. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:18, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm fine with it too. Suggestions for parameter/header names (pseudo[monster/spell/trap] cards, perhaps... nah, that sucks)? 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 00:20, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

There is an article, representation of a card, for cases like these. Although, to me at least, the title suggests that there is an actual card and this is something used as a placeholder. Although it's kind of the opposite.

"Pseudo" seemed fine to me when I first read the suggestion, but dictionaries seem to suggest it means the object is intentionally deceptive. The best I can think of now are "immaterial" or "abstract", but I wouldn't say they're perfect. -- Deltaneos (talk) 17:28, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Margin spacing

Would we be better off using CSS to add a margin of about 5px above and below the Decklist to this template than adding <br /> between each {{Decklist}} whenever it's used. The only problem I see with this is Side Decks usually don't have any space between them and their Main Deck, but some sort of overwrite could be added for that. -- Deltaneos (talk) 14:39, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I've had that thought myself. As far as Side Decks are concerned, I've wanted to add explicit support for them for a while but haven't gotten around to it (sound familiar? =D ). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 20:09, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wanting to do something but not getting around to it sounds familiar, but not for this specifically. -- Deltaneos (talk) 22:21, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I didn't mean this specifically; I was referring to how I often say I've been meaning to do X but haven't gotten to it yet. ;) 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 22:55, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Had you anything in mind for Side Decks? The two solutions that jump to mind for me are add more parameters; "side deck monsters", "side deck spells" etc. or add a single "side deck" parameter, in which you can nest a second {{Decklist}}. -- Deltaneos (talk) 11:42, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking probably more parameters, though I wasn't sure if they really needed the same granularity present in the Main Deck parameters. 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 18:49, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion

Just a suggestion; as Extra Deck has now been added, why not move the "Traps" collapsible to be underneath "Spells"? It would certainly look a lot tider, and offer more room for all the boxes. --~Mana~ (Talk) 03:16, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Extra Deck Issues

I have looked at the page, and while I agree the basics on how to make the deck in the template are fairly clear and easy to use. HOWEVER, I usually make my Decks with Extra Decks, so this has been a major problem for me recently. The Problem is, I find it somewhat unclear as how to make an Extra Deck Category along with the Monster, Spell, and Trap Categories. I would like to ask if it is possible to change the Example to include an Extra Deck, so as to help those more unfamiliar with forums, like myself. Garrec3 (talk • contribs) 00:46, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

The Extra Deck section will generate itself when you add "|fusion monsters =", |synchro monsters =" and/or "|xyz monsters ="

I can look into modifying the examples tomorrow, I am short on time right now. Cheesedude (talk • contribs) 00:52, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Extra Deck vs Fusion Deck

Currently, the template looks to see if the 'magic' section is in use, and if it is, the Extra Deck is relabeled to the Fusion Deck, like in the original series. However, in GX, they switched to the term 'spell', but still used a Fusion Deck until 5D's. Would it be reasonable for an alternate method of having the template be able to specify if it's an Extra Deck or a Fusion Deck, independent from whether it says 'magic' or 'spells'? JordanTH (talk • contribs) 08:51, March 10, 2017 (UTC)

Just use |style=previous at the top. This makes it display "Fusion Deck". Becasita ^Pendulum (talk • contribs) 23:08, March 10, 2017 (UTC)

Addition of "link monsters" tag when ?

Since magazines scans have already confirmed the usage of Link Monsters by known VRAINS characters. So, when would you update this template? Now, or later once the anime starts?--Supratim1986 (talk • contribs) 10:43, March 17, 2017 (UTC)

When someone points out that it needs to be added (so, now). 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 11:11, March 17, 2017 (UTC)